I do not want to see an NP!

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Anonymous wrote:That's your right OP. If that's what you want and willing to wait, insist on it. DW is a cardiology NP and had a patient like you. Rather than seeing DW, wanted to wait 6 weeks for a doctor. The idiot died of heart attack while waiting. DW could've saved his life by catching his problems but what can you do.

Pretty shocking that you refer to your wife’s deceased patient as, “an idiot.” Such compassion.

Since I assume you heard the tale from her, that is even more appalling.

Another take on this might be that it was highly irresponsible (malpractice?) for the office to put off a patient with a life-threatening condition for six weeks, when all he wanted was to see his doctor. But still they found no way to move up his appointment.

Some practices might have felt awful about this turn of events. The incident might have caused them to investigate how the case was handled…but your wife and her colleagues just wrote this poor caller off as “an idiot. “

Please do share the name of the practice , if you think they operate to such a high standard.

My thoughts exactly. PP and his NP wife both sound like callous morons.

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Anonymous wrote:That's your right OP. If that's what you want and willing to wait, insist on it. DW is a cardiology NP and had a patient like you. Rather than seeing DW, wanted to wait 6 weeks for a doctor. The idiot died of heart attack while waiting. DW could've saved his life by catching his problems but what can you do.

That's fine for your DW but patients who want to see a cardiologist MD and make an appt to do so should be able to as well. It's not irrational to have the preference for the person with more training, sorry.

MD cardiologist - had to take premed courses, take MCAT and score above 90th percentile, medical school with multiple board exams, 3 years of internal medicine residency working over 80 hours a week. Had to at the same time publish and be top of resident class to
Match into cardiology. In addition to another board exam and also internal medicine boards.Then 3-4 years of rigorous fellowship training in cardiology with board exam at end.

NP- nursing school, then NP school (sometimes accelerated) with 500 or so clinical hours in a variety of fields. Then immediately works in cardiology.


Yes of course they are the same.

You want some wine with your cheese doc? You are the exact type of shi&head, arrogant doc that everyone hates.

NP. Are you a NP with an inferiority complex? Poster was just stating facts. Oh and as a patient, I really don’t care how “nice” you are, but i do care how competent you are. And if I have heart issues, I could give 2 Sh*ts what the nice NP has to say.

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Anonymous wrote:An NP who thought she knew what she was doing nearly killed my child and consistently refused to listen when I tried to tell her she was wrong. She was trying to give my child the wrong dose of a medication and she didn't even know there were different doses for different ages. And she yelled at me for questioning her. NPs don't want to seem incompetent so they will forge ahead with their incompetence.

…but I see this with docs frequently, in fact more as they are always in a damn rush to grab the “next chart”.

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Anonymous wrote:That's your right OP. If that's what you want and willing to wait, insist on it. DW is a cardiology NP and had a patient like you. Rather than seeing DW, wanted to wait 6 weeks for a doctor. The idiot died of heart attack while waiting. DW could've saved his life by catching his problems but what can you do.

That's fine for your DW but patients who want to see a cardiologist MD and make an appt to do so should be able to as well. It's not irrational to have the preference for the person with more training, sorry.

MD cardiologist - had to take premed courses, take MCAT and score above 90th percentile, medical school with multiple board exams, 3 years of internal medicine residency working over 80 hours a week. Had to at the same time publish and be top of resident class to
Match into cardiology. In addition to another board exam and also internal medicine boards.Then 3-4 years of rigorous fellowship training in cardiology with board exam at end.

NP- nursing school, then NP school (sometimes accelerated) with 500 or so clinical hours in a variety of fields. Then immediately works in cardiology.


Yes of course they are the same.

You want some wine with your cheese doc? You are the exact type of shi&head, arrogant doc that everyone hates.

NP. Are you a NP with an inferiority complex? Poster was just stating facts. Oh and as a patient, I really don’t care how “nice” you are, but i do care how competent you are. And if I have heart issues, I could give 2 Sh*ts what the nice NP has to say.

You sound like the pp arrogant doc…not a patient but nice try.

[Anonymous]

For any MD specialists here:

There are patients who are ok and might even prefer to see an NP. Personally, I don’t know a single person who prefers NP over MD specialists. So, to each his own. Everyone should be able to see who they prefer.

I just wish practices were upfront about this when you sign up for an appointment with them. That way those of us who don’t want to see NPs in general can just make an appointment with a different practice.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel bad for these posters. I have never made an apt with a physician and seen a nurse. Are you in HMO’s or what?

No. I pay extra for PPO and get steered to NPs all the time for anything in between checkups.

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Anonymous wrote:That's your right OP. If that's what you want and willing to wait, insist on it. DW is a cardiology NP and had a patient like you. Rather than seeing DW, wanted to wait 6 weeks for a doctor. The idiot died of heart attack while waiting. DW could've saved his life by catching his problems but what can you do.

That's fine for your DW but patients who want to see a cardiologist MD and make an appt to do so should be able to as well. It's not irrational to have the preference for the person with more training, sorry.

MD cardiologist - had to take premed courses, take MCAT and score above 90th percentile, medical school with multiple board exams, 3 years of internal medicine residency working over 80 hours a week. Had to at the same time publish and be top of resident class to
Match into cardiology. In addition to another board exam and also internal medicine boards.Then 3-4 years of rigorous fellowship training in cardiology with board exam at end.

NP- nursing school, then NP school (sometimes accelerated) with 500 or so clinical hours in a variety of fields. Then immediately works in cardiology.


Yes of course they are the same.

You want some wine with your cheese doc? You are the exact type of shi&head, arrogant doc that everyone hates.

NP. Are you a NP with an inferiority complex? Poster was just stating facts. Oh and as a patient, I really don’t care how “nice” you are, but i do care how competent you are. And if I have heart issues, I could give 2 Sh*ts what the nice NP has to say.

You sound like the pp arrogant doc…not a patient but nice try.

Nope. Patient. Nice try.

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Anonymous wrote:That's your right OP. If that's what you want and willing to wait, insist on it. DW is a cardiology NP and had a patient like you. Rather than seeing DW, wanted to wait 6 weeks for a doctor. The idiot died of heart attack while waiting. DW could've saved his life by catching his problems but what can you do.

That's fine for your DW but patients who want to see a cardiologist MD and make an appt to do so should be able to as well. It's not irrational to have the preference for the person with more training, sorry.

MD cardiologist - had to take premed courses, take MCAT and score above 90th percentile, medical school with multiple board exams, 3 years of internal medicine residency working over 80 hours a week. Had to at the same time publish and be top of resident class to
Match into cardiology. In addition to another board exam and also internal medicine boards.Then 3-4 years of rigorous fellowship training in cardiology with board exam at end.

NP- nursing school, then NP school (sometimes accelerated) with 500 or so clinical hours in a variety of fields. Then immediately works in cardiology.


Yes of course they are the same.

You want some wine with your cheese doc? You are the exact type of shi&head, arrogant doc that everyone hates.

NP. Are you a NP with an inferiority complex? Poster was just stating facts. Oh and as a patient, I really don’t care how “nice” you are, but i do care how competent you are. And if I have heart issues, I could give 2 Sh*ts what the nice NP has to say.

You sound like the pp arrogant doc…not a patient but nice try.

LOL at PP claiming you need a 90th percentile mcat score to get into med school and at the idea of a medicine residency being hard to get. Half those programs are full of FMGs

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Anonymous wrote:That's your right OP. If that's what you want and willing to wait, insist on it. DW is a cardiology NP and had a patient like you. Rather than seeing DW, wanted to wait 6 weeks for a doctor. The idiot died of heart attack while waiting. DW could've saved his life by catching his problems but what can you do.

That's fine for your DW but patients who want to see a cardiologist MD and make an appt to do so should be able to as well. It's not irrational to have the preference for the person with more training, sorry.

MD cardiologist - had to take premed courses, take MCAT and score above 90th percentile, medical school with multiple board exams, 3 years of internal medicine residency working over 80 hours a week. Had to at the same time publish and be top of resident class to
Match into cardiology. In addition to another board exam and also internal medicine boards.Then 3-4 years of rigorous fellowship training in cardiology with board exam at end.

NP- nursing school, then NP school (sometimes accelerated) with 500 or so clinical hours in a variety of fields. Then immediately works in cardiology.


Yes of course they are the same.

You want some wine with your cheese doc? You are the exact type of shi&head, arrogant doc that everyone hates.

NP. Are you a NP with an inferiority complex? Poster was just stating facts. Oh and as a patient, I really don’t care how “nice” you are, but i do care how competent you are. And if I have heart issues, I could give 2 Sh*ts what the nice NP has to say.

You sound like the pp arrogant doc…not a patient but nice try.

LOL at PP claiming you need a 90th percentile mcat score to get into med school and at the idea of a medicine residency being hard to get. Half those programs are full of FMGs

I'm a patient. MD with a US residency and international med school is much better than an NP.

[Anonymous]

The entity to blame here is the AMA, which has artificially restricted the number of medical school and residency slots for decades. They are simply unwilling to produce the number of MDs needed for a population of our age and health complexity…particularly in light of a pandemic.

Everything else is supply coming in to meet that unfilled demand.

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Anonymous wrote:That's your right OP. If that's what you want and willing to wait, insist on it. DW is a cardiology NP and had a patient like you. Rather than seeing DW, wanted to wait 6 weeks for a doctor. The idiot died of heart attack while waiting. DW could've saved his life by catching his problems but what can you do.

That's fine for your DW but patients who want to see a cardiologist MD and make an appt to do so should be able to as well. It's not irrational to have the preference for the person with more training, sorry.

MD cardiologist - had to take premed courses, take MCAT and score above 90th percentile, medical school with multiple board exams, 3 years of internal medicine residency working over 80 hours a week. Had to at the same time publish and be top of resident class to
Match into cardiology. In addition to another board exam and also internal medicine boards.Then 3-4 years of rigorous fellowship training in cardiology with board exam at end.

NP- nursing school, then NP school (sometimes accelerated) with 500 or so clinical hours in a variety of fields. Then immediately works in cardiology.


Yes of course they are the same.

You want some wine with your cheese doc? You are the exact type of shi&head, arrogant doc that everyone hates.

NP. Are you a NP with an inferiority complex? Poster was just stating facts. Oh and as a patient, I really don’t care how “nice” you are, but i do care how competent you are. And if I have heart issues, I could give 2 Sh*ts what the nice NP has to say.

You sound like the pp arrogant doc…not a patient but nice try.

LOL at PP claiming you need a 90th percentile mcat score to get into med school and at the idea of a medicine residency being hard to get. Half those programs are full of FMGs

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. To get into a US MD program the average MCAT is around the 90th percentile. There are no foreign doctors in these us medical schools- wow you do deserve the crappy care you want. You don’t even know the criteria for your doctors to get the training they have.

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Also medical residency is stratified-first off, not half of the residency spots go to foreign doctors - are you joking??? Maybe some programs specially in rural areas may have more foreign doctors than other. Also to get into cardiology fellowship is super competitive- seriously just stick with NPs, clearly you have no idea what any of this means.

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Anonymous wrote:If people want to see an NP then they should feel free to so that. I will not. NP training is very disjointed and not very comprehensive. They frequently practice outside their scope. The nurse lobby is so strong they have convinced people that NPs are just as good as family medicine physicians. This is simply false. The NP slogan heart of a nurse brain of a doctor is false!
There are bad medical professionals all over the place. So doctors can and will make mistakes. But NPs are a special breed. They don't know what they don't know and they are not adequately trained or supervised.

The nursing lobby is relatively weak, especially in comparison to the physician lobby. Historically, mid-level practice was promoted by physicians - they could collect half the billings of the NPs or PAs they supervised. Anesthesiologists, in particular, could run 4 ORs with 4 CRNAs, while collecting a ton of fees. The anesthesiologist only has to be present for the critical phases.

I don't care whether you like or dislike midlevels, but don't fool yourself into believing a false narrative. It's clear that you have some attitude issues that you might want to address before disparaging others.

Readers who might be having surgery at Georgetown University Hospital, take note ^^^

As I posted upthread, all the PPs outraged by the notion of a mid-level in the ambulatory setting should probably never cross the threshold of a hospital. Spoiler alert: you're getting a mid-level, and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it

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Anonymous wrote:That's your right OP. If that's what you want and willing to wait, insist on it. DW is a cardiology NP and had a patient like you. Rather than seeing DW, wanted to wait 6 weeks for a doctor. The idiot died of heart attack while waiting. DW could've saved his life by catching his problems but what can you do.

That's fine for your DW but patients who want to see a cardiologist MD and make an appt to do so should be able to as well. It's not irrational to have the preference for the person with more training, sorry.

MD cardiologist - had to take premed courses, take MCAT and score above 90th percentile, medical school with multiple board exams, 3 years of internal medicine residency working over 80 hours a week. Had to at the same time publish and be top of resident class to
Match into cardiology. In addition to another board exam and also internal medicine boards.Then 3-4 years of rigorous fellowship training in cardiology with board exam at end.

NP- nursing school, then NP school (sometimes accelerated) with 500 or so clinical hours in a variety of fields. Then immediately works in cardiology.


Yes of course they are the same.

You want some wine with your cheese doc? You are the exact type of shi&head, arrogant doc that everyone hates.

NP. Are you a NP with an inferiority complex? Poster was just stating facts. Oh and as a patient, I really don’t care how “nice” you are, but i do care how competent you are. And if I have heart issues, I could give 2 Sh*ts what the nice NP has to say.

You sound like the pp arrogant doc…not a patient but nice try.

LOL at PP claiming you need a 90th percentile mcat score to get into med school and at the idea of a medicine residency being hard to get. Half those programs are full of FMGs

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. To get into a US MD program the average MCAT is around the 90th percentile. There are no foreign doctors in these us medical schools- wow you do deserve the crappy care you want. You don’t even know the criteria for your doctors to get the training they have.

You literally can't read and your math sucks. The median MCAT for allopathic schools may be 90th percentile, but that means half get in with LOWER scores. Osteopathic schools have far lower MCAT scores. No one said FMG's were in medical schools, only that they're in plenty of internal medicine residencies.

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Anonymous wrote:Also medical residency is stratified-first off, not half of the residency spots go to foreign doctors - are you joking??? Maybe some programs specially in rural areas may have more foreign doctors than other. Also to get into cardiology fellowship is super competitive- seriously just stick with NPs, clearly you have no idea what any of this means.

25% of internal medicine residency slots are filled with FMGs (here's your NIH cite, jackass, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7878164/). 39% of internal medicine physicians are FMG's (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5901803/). 40% of cardiology fellowship grads were FMGs (https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacadv.2022.100119). Don't make up your own facts and then be cocky about it.