Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

You don’t think MC people care about their property values?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

I think you’re probably going to have a bad time politically if you just purposefully alienate the UMC in Moco.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

You don’t think MC people care about their property values?

Well yes of course but I also think that people like to claim they are MC when they are not at all that, and the people taking hits over this are mostly in wealthier areas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Pretty much.
Caveat: Options 2 and 4 send the south side of Garrett Park to WJ ( the handful of homes on the south side of Strathmore). Town of GP, as small as it is, getting broken up.

Please! The 300K post was most likely trolling and you actually agree with that alarmist nonsense.

First of all, WJ today is not some amazing school that drives property values. It is weaker than other W schools and not much better than, for example, Richard Montgomery that has similar demographics to Woodward options 1,2 and 4.

Second, it is not all about the quality of high schools. Garret Park and Tilden will still have mostly the same teachers and same kids going there. So if parents were happy with what they were getting with these two schools before, there is no reason to suddenly completely turn their backs. Even more importantly, Garret Park and Tilden neighborhoods are very safe and walkable, a rare combination that will not change with the new school.

Every responsible new home buyer in the last two years knew that the rezoning is coming and that for some neighborhoods (for example Old Georgetown Village and Timberlawn) it will be a miracle not to end up in the new HS. And yet, home prices in that area went up by more than 15%.

You are delusional. There are safe and walkable neighborhoods zoned to Crown, Blair, Einstein, and plenty of others, and they’re worth less than GP and Tilden—even those that are closer to DC. They can be up to $400k cheaper, and the reason is clearly a difference in schools. People paid for a W in GP and Tilden, and if they are zoned to a school with QO or current Einstein demographics performance, their property values will reflect that. In some options, homes zoned to Einstein may end up with better property values than those zoned to Woodward.

There is DEMOGRAPHICS and there is ACADEMIC PERFORMANCE. I would argue that under Options 1 and 4, Woodward will not be even close to Einstein in academic performance. It will start as a decent school (similar ranking to RM) and get better as time goes on because Woodward zone has a foundation in terms of infrastructure and neighborhoods to build on. So your prediction will be way off.

And I would love to see a property example with $400k price difference that you are mentioning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

I think you’re probably going to have a bad time politically if you just purposefully alienate the UMC in Moco.

Sure. I get that. But if you’re * not going to at least pretend to care about lower income families and kids, I don’t have a lot of sympathy.

* you generally not you specifically

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

You don’t think MC people care about their property values?

Well yes of course but I also think that people like to claim they are MC when they are not at all that, and the people taking hits over this are mostly in wealthier areas.

Idk it’s going to be a weird road to suggest that people with $200k HHI should just move out of the county or send their kids to private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

You don’t think MC people care about their property values?

Well yes of course but I also think that people like to claim they are MC when they are not at all that, and the people taking hits over this are mostly in wealthier areas.

Idk it’s going to be a weird road to suggest that people with $200k HHI should just move out of the county or send their kids to private.

Did I suggest that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

You don’t think MC people care about their property values?

Well yes of course but I also think that people like to claim they are MC when they are not at all that, and the people taking hits over this are mostly in wealthier areas.

Idk it’s going to be a weird road to suggest that people with $200k HHI should just move out of the county or send their kids to private.

Did I suggest that?

Not you that I know of, but certainly that has been suggested in this thread by people concerned about property values. People largely aren’t stating their HHI, it is just presumed that whoever is concerned about property values must be making like $500k.

Meanwhile, $200k is technically UMC for Moco. Idk are two teachers considered UMC?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

I think you’re probably going to have a bad time politically if you just purposefully alienate the UMC in Moco.

My point is that I don’t think anyone is out to get anyone else’s kids, but the people losing their minds about their own property values without pretending to care about kids other than their own do provoke consternation. I don’t want option 3 and then I read some of those comments and there’s a little radical in me screaming give them option 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

You don’t think MC people care about their property values?

Well yes of course but I also think that people like to claim they are MC when they are not at all that, and the people taking hits over this are mostly in wealthier areas.

Idk it’s going to be a weird road to suggest that people with $200k HHI should just move out of the county or send their kids to private.

Did I suggest that?

Not you that I know of, but certainly that has been suggested in this thread by people concerned about property values. People largely aren’t stating their HHI, it is just presumed that whoever is concerned about property values must be making like $500k.

Meanwhile, $200k is technically UMC for Moco. Idk are two teachers considered UMC?

*about people concerned, not “by people”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Is that true if options other than 3? Because I don’t think MCPS can afford 3 so likey it will be off the table

Yes, because Woodward will be more than 30-47% FARMS in any scenario. Huge difference compared to a W school. At the very best, it will be another QO. At the worst, it will be another Einstein (and actually, Einstein would be the better school).

What do people have against medium-FARMS schools? Like, I get why folks would be nervous about high FARMS schools (and why white families might be hesitant about schools that are less than 10% white), but are there reasons (besides racism-- trying to give people the benefit of the doubt here) that medium FARMS schools with racial diversity reflective of the county are a problem too? We are a white middle-class family in a medium-FARMS elementary focus school with about 30% white kids, currently zoned for middle and high schools with similar demographics, and it all seems pretty great so far to us. Genuinely wondering why it would be so terrible for Woodward to be medium-FARMS instead of low-FARMS?

People are upset their property values might go down. Regardless of whether individuals are racist, home values in MoCo differ in part due to perceived school quality and fears about Black and Latino youth.

People are upset that their kids might be in school with kids and families who do not prioritize school and learning in general. Look at some of the truency rates in our county. Peers matter in school. Very valid concerns here.

Isn't that true anywhere, though? Or is the idea that all middle-class or rich White or Asian kids care about school and learning, so as long as you fill your school with those kids you won't be exposed to any kids who don't take school and learning seriously? Because I find that really hard to believe...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

You don’t think MC people care about their property values?

Well yes of course but I also think that people like to claim they are MC when they are not at all that, and the people taking hits over this are mostly in wealthier areas.

Idk it’s going to be a weird road to suggest that people with $200k HHI should just move out of the county or send their kids to private.

Did I suggest that?

Not you that I know of, but certainly that has been suggested in this thread by people concerned about property values. People largely aren’t stating their HHI, it is just presumed that whoever is concerned about property values must be making like $500k.

Meanwhile, $200k is technically UMC for Moco. Idk are two teachers considered UMC?

I guess I don’t follow that raising the FARMS rate at some west county schools will force people to move or go private. That’s a choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
NO ONE WANTS BUSING.

Low-income families may not have reliable transportation to attend meetings and events at faraway schools.

You need to balance that dislike of long commutes in traffic with the desire for mixed socio-economic demographics in school buildings.

I think there’s actually people who want busing but only if kids they perceive as privileged. There’s a real attitude of not just doing whats good for poor kids but doing something bad to the UMC/MC.

There are middle class families in all segments of the county and I don’t think anyone actually wants to punish the middle class. Wealthy families who complain about their property values, and I suppose who may prefer to pretend they are actually middle class, may provoke ire on their own with their blatantly self-interested participation in the discussion.

You don’t think MC people care about their property values?

Well yes of course but I also think that people like to claim they are MC when they are not at all that, and the people taking hits over this are mostly in wealthier areas.

Idk it’s going to be a weird road to suggest that people with $200k HHI should just move out of the county or send their kids to private.

Did I suggest that?

Not you that I know of, but certainly that has been suggested in this thread by people concerned about property values. People largely aren’t stating their HHI, it is just presumed that whoever is concerned about property values must be making like $500k.

Meanwhile, $200k is technically UMC for Moco. Idk are two teachers considered UMC?

I guess I don’t follow that raising the FARMS rate at some west county schools will force people to move or go private. That’s a choice.

I think that might be a straw man without specifics.

[Anonymous]

UMC in Moco is basically above $175k HHI. That is generally not going to be a household that can easily pack up and move nor go private. It is a bad look to hope kids of these families (or any kids) are unhappy.