Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

[Anonymous]

The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

I don't know how many more times you need to be told that he and his lawyers lied to the FBI repeatedly about which documents were still at Mar a Lardo, returning some but holding onto others while claiming they weren't there. How many times does this lying liar need to lie and obstruct before anyone's allowed to act, in your world?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

I don't know how many more times you need to be told that he and his lawyers lied to the FBI repeatedly about which documents were still at Mar a Lardo, returning some but holding onto others while claiming they weren't there. How many times does this lying liar need to lie and obstruct before anyone's allowed to act, in your world?

Republicans get an infinite pass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Why won't Trump just come out and tell us why he took sensitive national security documents? That's what I want to know. Why won't he give us a clear answer on that? I couldn't care less whether the FBI asked him nicely to give them back.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

One of his lawyers signed an affidavit stating that they had absolutely nothing that needed to be turned over.

When someone takes property belonging to the nation, there is no obligation to ask nicely, or negotiate, or go back and forth. The DOJ has the authority to go get it. He has already been afforded more courtesy than most of the rest of us, because you know that there are people sitting in jail for a very long time, because they took A document home when they shouldn't have.

[Anonymous]

He did give an answer as to why he has them remember. At first he didn't have them. And he did have them but gave them to the FBI. Then the FBI plan to the items. Then the items were actually okay to have because they had bendy classified.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only part of the affidavit that is relevant to the fbi search is the statements related to why the fbi couldn’t get the documents via other means. So it should contain numbered paragraphs of the dates and times when the DOJ connected with Trump lawyers (or attempted to) and tried again and again and couldn’t reach agreement. That type of back and forth is what people are wanting to see. If doj did that and couldn’t get the documents, the I think a lot of people would say “well trump deserved it.” But no. FBI doesn’t have the benefit of the doubt with trump after the Russian collusion issue or frankly after it treated Hillary Clinton. So here, showing that kind of detail in the affidavit would support garland’s statement that they couldn’t get the information by any other means. And it would show that trump teams statements that after the initial interactions in early June they heard nothing else until the search last week. Revealing that back and forth doesn’t reveal detail about exactly what they are investigating or any secrets sources and methods. But it would answer the questions we don’t know. Did trump refuse to cooperate thus prompting the raid or did DOJ jump the gun.

Here's the affidavit for a search warrant for Reality Winner, who was prosecuted by the Trump Administration for violation of the Espionage.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3848398-Reality-Winner-Affidavit-for-Application-of.html

The FBI learned she had stolen classified information on June 1, 2017. The search warrant is dated June 3, 2017. You will see they did not ask her to return the information, give her a subpoena, or meet with her attorneys and ask them pretty please again. They got a search warrant 2 days after learning of the crime and went and got the documents. There was no wailing and whining on Fox News about how Trump violated Winner's constitutional rights. Explain to me why Trump is entitled to anything more than he gave to Reality Winner.

[Anonymous]

I don't know why Trump supporters are so up in arms about this. You know that Trump thought he had every right to those classified docs, and you also know that a former POTUS doesn't have the right to take classified docs, especially ones that would be consider a danger to this country's national security (ie, Espionage Act).

You also know that there is a process to declassify those docs, but Trump did not go through those channels because he thought saying bipadee bopadee boo was enough to make things happen: build a wall, declassify docs, jail Hillary.

But, you know that this is not how things work. We are not yet living in a dictatorship.

As is typical, Trump has weaved excuse after excuse, and you keep supporting it. It's like watching an abuser manipulate the abused, and the abused just keep taking it.

[Anonymous]

We don’t show criminals how we got evidence of their crimes until they are arrested or indicted. They have to guess what incriminating evidence to “accidentally” destroy and which potential witnesses to bribe or threaten.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parts of the affidavit that contain sensitive information could be redacted. They cannot play this in such a cute way.

Yes. Yes they can. If they are very good at catching serious criminals. The accused, if indicted, will have access to all of the evidence at trial. That’s how this works. Not in public message boards and social media, but in a court of law.

Guessing the disconnect here is that the poster doesn't recognize what "in a court of law" means.

Given that the PP is a Republican, we can be pretty confident that they don't understand much about the rule of law.

[Anonymous]

Mr. Cipollone and Mr. Philbin were Mr. Trump’s representatives to deal with the National Archives; they were named to the positions shortly before the president’s term ended, in January 2021. At some point after National Archives officials realized they did not have Trump White House documents, which are required to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act, they contacted Mr. Philbin for help returning them.

A spokesperson for Mr. Philbin did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Philbin tried to help the National Archives retrieve the material, two of the people familiar with the discussions said. But the former president repeatedly resisted entreaties from his advisers.

“It’s not theirs, it’s mine,” several advisers say Mr. Trump told them.

The former president returned 15 boxes of material to the National Archives in January, but the Justice Department issued a subpoena in May for documents that were still at his residence. On June 3, counterintelligence officials with the Justice Department’s national security division went to Mar-a-Lago to collect remaining documents with classified markings.

At that point, at least one Trump lawyer signed a statement saying material with the classified markings had been returned, according to four people familiar with the document. But officials then used a subpoena to obtain surveillance footage of the hallway outside a storage room at Mar-a-Lago and saw something that alarmed them. They also received information from at least one witness who indicated that more material might remain at the residence, people familiar with the investigation said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/us/politics/trump-cipollone-philbin-interviews-fbi.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Mr. Cipollone and Mr. Philbin were Mr. Trump’s representatives to deal with the National Archives; they were named to the positions shortly before the president’s term ended, in January 2021. At some point after National Archives officials realized they did not have Trump White House documents, which are required to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act, they contacted Mr. Philbin for help returning them.

A spokesperson for Mr. Philbin did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Philbin tried to help the National Archives retrieve the material, two of the people familiar with the discussions said. But the former president repeatedly resisted entreaties from his advisers.

“It’s not theirs, it’s mine,” several advisers say Mr. Trump told them.

The former president returned 15 boxes of material to the National Archives in January, but the Justice Department issued a subpoena in May for documents that were still at his residence. On June 3, counterintelligence officials with the Justice Department’s national security division went to Mar-a-Lago to collect remaining documents with classified markings.

At that point, at least one Trump lawyer signed a statement saying material with the classified markings had been returned, according to four people familiar with the document. But officials then used a subpoena to obtain surveillance footage of the hallway outside a storage room at Mar-a-Lago and saw something that alarmed them. They also received information from at least one witness who indicated that more material might remain at the residence, people familiar with the investigation said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/us/politics/trump-cipollone-philbin-interviews-fbi.html

F*n scary stuff, that ^.

Here's Trump take on handling of classified material, just in case Trump apologists missed it:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Mr. Cipollone and Mr. Philbin were Mr. Trump’s representatives to deal with the National Archives; they were named to the positions shortly before the president’s term ended, in January 2021. At some point after National Archives officials realized they did not have Trump White House documents, which are required to be preserved under the Presidential Records Act, they contacted Mr. Philbin for help returning them.

A spokesperson for Mr. Philbin did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Philbin tried to help the National Archives retrieve the material, two of the people familiar with the discussions said. But the former president repeatedly resisted entreaties from his advisers.

“It’s not theirs, it’s mine,” several advisers say Mr. Trump told them.

The former president returned 15 boxes of material to the National Archives in January, but the Justice Department issued a subpoena in May for documents that were still at his residence. On June 3, counterintelligence officials with the Justice Department’s national security division went to Mar-a-Lago to collect remaining documents with classified markings.

At that point, at least one Trump lawyer signed a statement saying material with the classified markings had been returned, according to four people familiar with the document. But officials then used a subpoena to obtain surveillance footage of the hallway outside a storage room at Mar-a-Lago and saw something that alarmed them. They also received information from at least one witness who indicated that more material might remain at the residence, people familiar with the investigation said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/us/politics/trump-cipollone-philbin-interviews-fbi.html

F*n scary stuff, that ^.

Here's Trump take on handling of classified material, just in case Trump apologists missed it:

Just a side note, but he really aged a lot during his time as POTUS. Surprising since he spent so much of his time golfing and watching tv.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Parts of the affidavit that contain sensitive information could be redacted. They cannot play this in such a cute way.

Why? Why should he get that treatment?

My understanding is that it is not to protect trump, but to protect informants.

[Anonymous]

I love that he didn't even know his passportS were gone until the FBI returned. Way to spin it, Donnie.