Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly if these schools are not good enough for your precious snowflakes please for f—k’s sake go to a private exclusive school! What you don’t seem to understand is that this is a PUBLIC school system. Just because you bought in an area thinking the schools are one way you are not entitled at all to decide who goes to school where. There is a simple solution - LEAVE!

If parents feel public schools aren't meeting their needs, many will leave for private options or other districts. This exodus will shrink your tax base, as property values drop and fewer residents stay. Less tax revenue means less funding for those same schools, creating a downward spiral. Be careful what you wish for—dismissing concerns could cost you more than you think.

It’s also that the social engineering of busing does not do what progressive think it will do. Try to help poor kids, for crying out loud, versus thinking that gleefully punishing the rich accomplishes the goal.

How do you think we should help the poor kids?

Improving their schools. Offering the classes they demand. Not having them think that they can only get a good education by shipping them to ‘white’ schools. Please. The ideas have been around for generations.

I don’t think the extreme busing proposed in option 3 is the answer, but what you are suggesting is pretty simplistic too. Can you be more specific or point to some successful examples? You make it sound like it’s obvious, and yet it hasn’t happened.

I realize I’m not proposing in depth solutions on DCUM. There’s a ton of literature investigating school improvement and it often boils down to school- or community-specific solutions. But overarching themes would be hire more teachers and cut administrators, pay teachers more, provide specific training to help with challenges specific to school (eg could be cultural, wrap around services, etc). I realize that things cost money so that’s the primary challenge.

But what you won’t find is the suggestion to bus kids around. And if they have the money to bus everyone around the county then they have some money to implement more targeted solutions.

I wouldn’t bus kids around like crazy but I think proposals along the lines of moving Woodlin from Einstein to BCC make sense, because it’s not crazy geographically and I do think balancing demographics is a helpful goal (although again not to extremes). That said the Woodlin parents I know would prefer Einstein.

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Anonymous wrote:Still can’t get over the fact that Option 3 is going to bus kids who live in the walk zone for one school to another school far away.

Doesn’t the BOE/mcps take some sort of oath or something that they will use taxpayer funds wisely or at least not waste funds? Busing kids WHO CAN AND SHOULD WALK is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

They are spending our hard earned taxpayer dollars after all.

The most savings from boundary studies comes from maximizing capacity. That typically means bussing certain kids to further schools. The walk zones are 2 miles which is enormous. Even if there was an extra school in the DCC you still couldn't have every potential walker assigned to the school closest to them. It is simply impossible to locate the schools perfectly in this way. And buying land and building schools is $$$$$$$ so stop pretending you care about being responsible with taxpayers dollars.

I think most have conveniently forgotten that the Woodward family bequethed the land for Woodward to MCPS, and required it to always be used as a school.

I actually had no idea about this. Thank you for sharing.

Also had not heard this.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly if these schools are not good enough for your precious snowflakes please for f—k’s sake go to a private exclusive school! What you don’t seem to understand is that this is a PUBLIC school system. Just because you bought in an area thinking the schools are one way you are not entitled at all to decide who goes to school where. There is a simple solution - LEAVE!

If parents feel public schools aren't meeting their needs, many will leave for private options or other districts. This exodus will shrink your tax base, as property values drop and fewer residents stay. Less tax revenue means less funding for those same schools, creating a downward spiral. Be careful what you wish for—dismissing concerns could cost you more than you think.

It’s also that the social engineering of busing does not do what progressive think it will do. Try to help poor kids, for crying out loud, versus thinking that gleefully punishing the rich accomplishes the goal.

How do you think we should help the poor kids?

Improving their schools. Offering the classes they demand. Not having them think that they can only get a good education by shipping them to ‘white’ schools. Please. The ideas have been around for generations.

I don’t think the extreme busing proposed in option 3 is the answer, but what you are suggesting is pretty simplistic too. Can you be more specific or point to some successful examples? You make it sound like it’s obvious, and yet it hasn’t happened.

I realize I’m not proposing in depth solutions on DCUM. There’s a ton of literature investigating school improvement and it often boils down to school- or community-specific solutions. But overarching themes would be hire more teachers and cut administrators, pay teachers more, provide specific training to help with challenges specific to school (eg could be cultural, wrap around services, etc). I realize that things cost money so that’s the primary challenge.

But what you won’t find is the suggestion to bus kids around. And if they have the money to bus everyone around the county then they have some money to implement more targeted solutions.

I wouldn’t bus kids around like crazy but I think proposals along the lines of moving Woodlin from Einstein to BCC make sense, because it’s not crazy geographically and I do think balancing demographics is a helpful goal (although again not to extremes). That said the Woodlin parents I know would prefer Einstein.

+1 unfortunately Einstein is overcrowded so not everybody can stay there. I believe Woodlin is the furthest school from Einstein so it makes sense to move them. That being said, Woodlin aha relatively low FARMS compared with other DCC elementaries so doing this alone does not really balance demographics.

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Anonymous wrote:Still can’t get over the fact that Option 3 is going to bus kids who live in the walk zone for one school to another school far away.

Doesn’t the BOE/mcps take some sort of oath or something that they will use taxpayer funds wisely or at least not waste funds? Busing kids WHO CAN AND SHOULD WALK is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

They are spending our hard earned taxpayer dollars after all.

The most savings from boundary studies comes from maximizing capacity. That typically means bussing certain kids to further schools. The walk zones are 2 miles which is enormous. Even if there was an extra school in the DCC you still couldn't have every potential walker assigned to the school closest to them. It is simply impossible to locate the schools perfectly in this way. And buying land and building schools is $$$$$$$ so stop pretending you care about being responsible with taxpayers dollars.

I think most have conveniently forgotten that the Woodward family bequethed the land for Woodward to MCPS, and required it to always be used as a school.

I actually had no idea about this. Thank you for sharing.

Also had not heard this.

Yep.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still can’t get over the fact that Option 3 is going to bus kids who live in the walk zone for one school to another school far away.

Doesn’t the BOE/mcps take some sort of oath or something that they will use taxpayer funds wisely or at least not waste funds? Busing kids WHO CAN AND SHOULD WALK is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

They are spending our hard earned taxpayer dollars after all.

The most savings from boundary studies comes from maximizing capacity. That typically means bussing certain kids to further schools. The walk zones are 2 miles which is enormous. Even if there was an extra school in the DCC you still couldn't have every potential walker assigned to the school closest to them. It is simply impossible to locate the schools perfectly in this way. And buying land and building schools is $$$$$$$ so stop pretending you care about being responsible with taxpayers dollars.

I think most have conveniently forgotten that the Woodward family bequethed the land for Woodward to MCPS, and required it to always be used as a school.

So this would suggest that MCPS has approximately zero money to institute and maintain this rezoning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still can’t get over the fact that Option 3 is going to bus kids who live in the walk zone for one school to another school far away.

Doesn’t the BOE/mcps take some sort of oath or something that they will use taxpayer funds wisely or at least not waste funds? Busing kids WHO CAN AND SHOULD WALK is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

They are spending our hard earned taxpayer dollars after all.

The most savings from boundary studies comes from maximizing capacity. That typically means bussing certain kids to further schools. The walk zones are 2 miles which is enormous. Even if there was an extra school in the DCC you still couldn't have every potential walker assigned to the school closest to them. It is simply impossible to locate the schools perfectly in this way. And buying land and building schools is $$$$$$$ so stop pretending you care about being responsible with taxpayers dollars.

I think most have conveniently forgotten that the Woodward family bequethed the land for Woodward to MCPS, and required it to always be used as a school.

So this would suggest that MCPS has approximately zero money to institute and maintain this rezoning.

Your logic is not like our earth logic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly if these schools are not good enough for your precious snowflakes please for f—k’s sake go to a private exclusive school! What you don’t seem to understand is that this is a PUBLIC school system. Just because you bought in an area thinking the schools are one way you are not entitled at all to decide who goes to school where. There is a simple solution - LEAVE!

If parents feel public schools aren't meeting their needs, many will leave for private options or other districts. This exodus will shrink your tax base, as property values drop and fewer residents stay. Less tax revenue means less funding for those same schools, creating a downward spiral. Be careful what you wish for—dismissing concerns could cost you more than you think.

It’s also that the social engineering of busing does not do what progressive think it will do. Try to help poor kids, for crying out loud, versus thinking that gleefully punishing the rich accomplishes the goal.

How do you think we should help the poor kids?

Improving their schools. Offering the classes they demand. Not having them think that they can only get a good education by shipping them to ‘white’ schools. Please. The ideas have been around for generations.

I don’t think the extreme busing proposed in option 3 is the answer, but what you are suggesting is pretty simplistic too. Can you be more specific or point to some successful examples? You make it sound like it’s obvious, and yet it hasn’t happened.

I realize I’m not proposing in depth solutions on DCUM. There’s a ton of literature investigating school improvement and it often boils down to school- or community-specific solutions. But overarching themes would be hire more teachers and cut administrators, pay teachers more, provide specific training to help with challenges specific to school (eg could be cultural, wrap around services, etc). I realize that things cost money so that’s the primary challenge.

But what you won’t find is the suggestion to bus kids around. And if they have the money to bus everyone around the county then they have some money to implement more targeted solutions.

I wouldn’t bus kids around like crazy but I think proposals along the lines of moving Woodlin from Einstein to BCC make sense, because it’s not crazy geographically and I do think balancing demographics is a helpful goal (although again not to extremes). That said the Woodlin parents I know would prefer Einstein.

+1 unfortunately Einstein is overcrowded so not everybody can stay there. I believe Woodlin is the furthest school from Einstein so it makes sense to move them. That being said, Woodlin aha relatively low FARMS compared with other DCC elementaries so doing this alone does not really balance demographics.

Yeah one way or another kids are going to get moved from Einstein. Whether it's Woodlin to BCC or one of the ESs further north to Woodward or Northwood.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still can’t get over the fact that Option 3 is going to bus kids who live in the walk zone for one school to another school far away.

Doesn’t the BOE/mcps take some sort of oath or something that they will use taxpayer funds wisely or at least not waste funds? Busing kids WHO CAN AND SHOULD WALK is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

They are spending our hard earned taxpayer dollars after all.

The most savings from boundary studies comes from maximizing capacity. That typically means bussing certain kids to further schools. The walk zones are 2 miles which is enormous. Even if there was an extra school in the DCC you still couldn't have every potential walker assigned to the school closest to them. It is simply impossible to locate the schools perfectly in this way. And buying land and building schools is $$$$$$$ so stop pretending you care about being responsible with taxpayers dollars.

I think most have conveniently forgotten that the Woodward family bequethed the land for Woodward to MCPS, and required it to always be used as a school.

So this would suggest that MCPS has approximately zero money to institute and maintain this rezoning.

Your logic is not like our earth logic

MCPS can’t build a new school. Can they rent space? No? Can they build out existing spaces? No? The only option is to use the free space?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still can’t get over the fact that Option 3 is going to bus kids who live in the walk zone for one school to another school far away.

Doesn’t the BOE/mcps take some sort of oath or something that they will use taxpayer funds wisely or at least not waste funds? Busing kids WHO CAN AND SHOULD WALK is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

They are spending our hard earned taxpayer dollars after all.

The most savings from boundary studies comes from maximizing capacity. That typically means bussing certain kids to further schools. The walk zones are 2 miles which is enormous. Even if there was an extra school in the DCC you still couldn't have every potential walker assigned to the school closest to them. It is simply impossible to locate the schools perfectly in this way. And buying land and building schools is $$$$$$$ so stop pretending you care about being responsible with taxpayers dollars.

I think most have conveniently forgotten that the Woodward family bequethed the land for Woodward to MCPS, and required it to always be used as a school.

So this would suggest that MCPS has approximately zero money to institute and maintain this rezoning.

Your logic is not like our earth logic

MCPS can’t build a new school. Can they rent space? No? Can they build out existing spaces? No? The only option is to use the free space?

Exactly. Then the developers of condos and new houses are not providing enough funding into the school budget to account for new schools needed based on the kids who will move there. But they are been undercounting kids who live in multi family housing forever to improve profits. We need a down county HS to relieve Blair and have all the kids who can walk to it, actually walk and not be bussed further north. There is a parcel at former Adventist site. It's expensive but would have been cheaper if they built into earlier, it's only going to get more expensive the longer you wait.
Woodlin should have new built with another floor to accommodate Falkland Chase plans to rebuild with higher density. It's all so short sighted.

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Anonymous wrote:Still can’t get over the fact that Option 3 is going to bus kids who live in the walk zone for one school to another school far away.

Doesn’t the BOE/mcps take some sort of oath or something that they will use taxpayer funds wisely or at least not waste funds? Busing kids WHO CAN AND SHOULD WALK is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

They are spending our hard earned taxpayer dollars after all.

The most savings from boundary studies comes from maximizing capacity. That typically means bussing certain kids to further schools. The walk zones are 2 miles which is enormous. Even if there was an extra school in the DCC you still couldn't have every potential walker assigned to the school closest to them. It is simply impossible to locate the schools perfectly in this way. And buying land and building schools is $$$$$$$ so stop pretending you care about being responsible with taxpayers dollars.

I think most have conveniently forgotten that the Woodward family bequethed the land for Woodward to MCPS, and required it to always be used as a school.

So this would suggest that MCPS has approximately zero money to institute and maintain this rezoning.

Your logic is not like our earth logic

MCPS can’t build a new school. Can they rent space? No? Can they build out existing spaces? No? The only option is to use the free space?

They can build another school. They have to buy land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still can’t get over the fact that Option 3 is going to bus kids who live in the walk zone for one school to another school far away.

Doesn’t the BOE/mcps take some sort of oath or something that they will use taxpayer funds wisely or at least not waste funds? Busing kids WHO CAN AND SHOULD WALK is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

They are spending our hard earned taxpayer dollars after all.

The most savings from boundary studies comes from maximizing capacity. That typically means bussing certain kids to further schools. The walk zones are 2 miles which is enormous. Even if there was an extra school in the DCC you still couldn't have every potential walker assigned to the school closest to them. It is simply impossible to locate the schools perfectly in this way. And buying land and building schools is $$$$$$$ so stop pretending you care about being responsible with taxpayers dollars.

I think most have conveniently forgotten that the Woodward family bequethed the land for Woodward to MCPS, and required it to always be used as a school.

So this would suggest that MCPS has approximately zero money to institute and maintain this rezoning.

Your logic is not like our earth logic

MCPS can’t build a new school. Can they rent space? No? Can they build out existing spaces? No? The only option is to use the free space?

Wait I forget do we care about appropriate use of taxpayer dollars or not? Because YES, free land is cheaper than buying land at market rate

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Still can’t get over the fact that Option 3 is going to bus kids who live in the walk zone for one school to another school far away.

Doesn’t the BOE/mcps take some sort of oath or something that they will use taxpayer funds wisely or at least not waste funds? Busing kids WHO CAN AND SHOULD WALK is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

They are spending our hard earned taxpayer dollars after all.

The most savings from boundary studies comes from maximizing capacity. That typically means bussing certain kids to further schools. The walk zones are 2 miles which is enormous. Even if there was an extra school in the DCC you still couldn't have every potential walker assigned to the school closest to them. It is simply impossible to locate the schools perfectly in this way. And buying land and building schools is $$$$$$$ so stop pretending you care about being responsible with taxpayers dollars.

I think most have conveniently forgotten that the Woodward family bequethed the land for Woodward to MCPS, and required it to always be used as a school.

So this would suggest that MCPS has approximately zero money to institute and maintain this rezoning.

Your logic is not like our earth logic

MCPS can’t build a new school. Can they rent space? No? Can they build out existing spaces? No? The only option is to use the free space?

They can build another school. They have to buy land.

But the reason they are using Woodward and not some place closer to the need is bc Woodward’s land is free.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Garrett Park and Tilden will get $300k cheaper soon.

Pretty much.
Caveat: Options 2 and 4 send the south side of Garrett Park to WJ ( the handful of homes on the south side of Strathmore). Town of GP, as small as it is, getting broken up.

[Anonymous]

As a DTSS parent I actually thought option 3 was not bad for the immediate area. It moves more of SCES to Blair, though not all of it (SCES is already split articulation). I don't really mind Blair not being zoned for itself given the facts that there is no school downtown and Northwood is still a long walk for these families. (Although admittedly this is not me!)

What's weird though is bussing in a bunch of people who don't want to be zoned for Blair instead of local families who would like to be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Still can’t get over the fact that Option 3 is going to bus kids who live in the walk zone for one school to another school far away.

Doesn’t the BOE/mcps take some sort of oath or something that they will use taxpayer funds wisely or at least not waste funds? Busing kids WHO CAN AND SHOULD WALK is wasteful and harmful to the environment.

They are spending our hard earned taxpayer dollars after all.

The most savings from boundary studies comes from maximizing capacity. That typically means bussing certain kids to further schools. The walk zones are 2 miles which is enormous. Even if there was an extra school in the DCC you still couldn't have every potential walker assigned to the school closest to them. It is simply impossible to locate the schools perfectly in this way. And buying land and building schools is $$$$$$$ so stop pretending you care about being responsible with taxpayers dollars.

I think most have conveniently forgotten that the Woodward family bequethed the land for Woodward to MCPS, and required it to always be used as a school.

So this would suggest that MCPS has approximately zero money to institute and maintain this rezoning.

Your logic is not like our earth logic

MCPS can’t build a new school. Can they rent space? No? Can they build out existing spaces? No? The only option is to use the free space?

Wait I forget do we care about appropriate use of taxpayer dollars or not? Because YES, free land is cheaper than buying land at market rate

I am PP and that is my point. The fact that we have to use Woodward’s free land suggests that there is little money to implement the rezoning.