Lessons Learned- College Admissions- If you had to do it all again.....

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Anonymous wrote:where's the data from 2014 on?

DP. I already told ya. In the basement of Mr. Bartley's Burger Cottage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DC and my DH both went to Ivies. Those kids from the “rodeo” backgrounds had a very hard time at those difficult schools. High level of dropping out and mental breakdowns. Those social experiments are not very kind in the end.

You just made that up and it is not true. The graduation rates prove it.

Of course they eventually graduate them. The schools don’t want to feel like losers for their social experiment. Then they go on to the job market and employers go WTH? And they end up well whatever. They also have a great deal of difficulty with the professional entrance exams. However they populate SJW and low pay non profits.

You are wrong, full stop. They do not "eventually" graduate them. Poor kids at Harvard graduate at almost the same rate as other kids. And research has clearly shown that going to an elite school confers advantages on poor students and POC much more than on wealthier and white students. Facts matter.

From Harvard's common data set for freshmen starting fall 2013 (most recent data available)

First-time, full-time freshmen receiving Pell Grant= 273
graduated in 4 years or less: 224 (82%)
graduated in 6 years or less: 260 (95%)

First-time, full-time freshmen, no Pell = 1378
graduated in 4 years or less: 1176 (85%)
graduated in 6 years or less: 1343 (97%)

You're wrong. Graduating doesn't mean anything if your degree is in sociology or gender studies. Upper-middle class White/Asian kids dominate the high-paying majors at Ivies (CS, Econ, Math, Engineering). Plus most rodeo kids didn't do so well in corporate recruiting due to their lower GPAs and weaker class schedules.

-Ivy alum

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DC and my DH both went to Ivies. Those kids from the “rodeo” backgrounds had a very hard time at those difficult schools. High level of dropping out and mental breakdowns. Those social experiments are not very kind in the end.

You just made that up and it is not true. The graduation rates prove it.

Of course they eventually graduate them. The schools don’t want to feel like losers for their social experiment. Then they go on to the job market and employers go WTH? And they end up well whatever. They also have a great deal of difficulty with the professional entrance exams. However they populate SJW and low pay non profits.

You are wrong, full stop. They do not "eventually" graduate them. Poor kids at Harvard graduate at almost the same rate as other kids. And research has clearly shown that going to an elite school confers advantages on poor students and POC much more than on wealthier and white students. Facts matter.

From Harvard's common data set for freshmen starting fall 2013 (most recent data available)

First-time, full-time freshmen receiving Pell Grant= 273
graduated in 4 years or less: 224 (82%)
graduated in 6 years or less: 260 (95%)

First-time, full-time freshmen, no Pell = 1378
graduated in 4 years or less: 1176 (85%)
graduated in 6 years or less: 1343 (97%)

You're wrong. Graduating doesn't mean anything if your degree is in sociology or gender studies. Upper-middle class White/Asian kids dominate the high-paying majors at Ivies (CS, Econ, Math, Engineering). Plus most rodeo kids didn't do so well in corporate recruiting due to their lower GPAs and weaker class schedules.

-Ivy alum

If you are truly an Ivy alum, you would know that college is not trade school. It is part of an educational foundation, so unnecessary to major in the “high paying” fields to be successful. Many of those kids in majors you dissed go on to grad school (including law school —I assume lawyer meets your uncreative and narrow definition of success).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're wrong. Graduating doesn't mean anything if your degree is in sociology or gender studies. Upper-middle class White/Asian kids dominate the high-paying majors at Ivies (CS, Econ, Math, Engineering). Plus most rodeo kids didn't do so well in corporate recruiting due to their lower GPAs and weaker class schedules.

-Ivy alum

OK, maybe you are right. You have provided unimpeachable proof the ivies graduate imbeciles. Mea Culpa.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're wrong. Graduating doesn't mean anything if your degree is in sociology or gender studies. Upper-middle class White/Asian kids dominate the high-paying majors at Ivies (CS, Econ, Math, Engineering). Plus most rodeo kids didn't do so well in corporate recruiting due to their lower GPAs and weaker class schedules.

-Ivy alum

OK, maybe you are right. You have provided unimpeachable proof the ivies graduate imbeciles. Mea Culpa.

everyone has to have a STEM degree because otherwise you'll be a barista. It doesn't matter if the sociology degree is from Yale and you get accepted to Harvard law- you'll still be a barista. To PP, you might want to dig deeper- it's been years since I looked or cared, but I remember philosophy majors doing very well

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're wrong. Graduating doesn't mean anything if your degree is in sociology or gender studies. Upper-middle class White/Asian kids dominate the high-paying majors at Ivies (CS, Econ, Math, Engineering). Plus most rodeo kids didn't do so well in corporate recruiting due to their lower GPAs and weaker class schedules.

-Ivy alum

OK, maybe you are right. You have provided unimpeachable proof the ivies graduate imbeciles. Mea Culpa.

everyone has to have a STEM degree because otherwise you'll be a barista. It doesn't matter if the sociology degree is from Yale and you get accepted to Harvard law- you'll still be a barista. To PP, you might want to dig deeper- it's been years since I looked or cared, but I remember philosophy majors doing very well

Rodeo kids don't major in philosophy -- too hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:where's the data from 2014 on?

Since this data reports six year trajectories for an entering cohort of freshmen, it starts for freshmen entering in September 2013, since the 6 year outcomes aren't known until May 2019; these are reported on the 2019-2020 common data set. Data on the 2014 cohort will be reported on the 2020-2021 common data set. Graduation rates for all colleges necessarily have this lag.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DC and my DH both went to Ivies. Those kids from the “rodeo” backgrounds had a very hard time at those difficult schools. High level of dropping out and mental breakdowns. Those social experiments are not very kind in the end.

You just made that up and it is not true. The graduation rates prove it.

Of course they eventually graduate them. The schools don’t want to feel like losers for their social experiment. Then they go on to the job market and employers go WTH? And they end up well whatever. They also have a great deal of difficulty with the professional entrance exams. However they populate SJW and low pay non profits.

You are wrong, full stop. They do not "eventually" graduate them. Poor kids at Harvard graduate at almost the same rate as other kids. And research has clearly shown that going to an elite school confers advantages on poor students and POC much more than on wealthier and white students. Facts matter.

From Harvard's common data set for freshmen starting fall 2013 (most recent data available)

First-time, full-time freshmen receiving Pell Grant= 273
graduated in 4 years or less: 224 (82%)
graduated in 6 years or less: 260 (95%)

First-time, full-time freshmen, no Pell = 1378
graduated in 4 years or less: 1176 (85%)
graduated in 6 years or less: 1343 (97%)

You're wrong. Graduating doesn't mean anything if your degree is in sociology or gender studies. Upper-middle class White/Asian kids dominate the high-paying majors at Ivies (CS, Econ, Math, Engineering). Plus most rodeo kids didn't do so well in corporate recruiting due to their lower GPAs and weaker class schedules.

-Ivy alum

These are the graduation rates for all freshmen entering in Fall 2013. Are you under the impression that 85% of Harvard freshmen major in CS, econ, math, and engineering?

Also, are we moving the goalposts now? The statement was that these students don't graduate on time. This is demonstrably false at many schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DC and my DH both went to Ivies. Those kids from the “rodeo” backgrounds had a very hard time at those difficult schools. High level of dropping out and mental breakdowns. Those social experiments are not very kind in the end.

You just made that up and it is not true. The graduation rates prove it.

Of course they eventually graduate them. The schools don’t want to feel like losers for their social experiment. Then they go on to the job market and employers go WTH? And they end up well whatever. They also have a great deal of difficulty with the professional entrance exams. However they populate SJW and low pay non profits.

You are wrong, full stop. They do not "eventually" graduate them. Poor kids at Harvard graduate at almost the same rate as other kids. And research has clearly shown that going to an elite school confers advantages on poor students and POC much more than on wealthier and white students. Facts matter.

From Harvard's common data set for freshmen starting fall 2013 (most recent data available)

First-time, full-time freshmen receiving Pell Grant= 273
graduated in 4 years or less: 224 (82%)
graduated in 6 years or less: 260 (95%)

First-time, full-time freshmen, no Pell = 1378
graduated in 4 years or less: 1176 (85%)
graduated in 6 years or less: 1343 (97%)

You're wrong. Graduating doesn't mean anything if your degree is in sociology or gender studies. Upper-middle class White/Asian kids dominate the high-paying majors at Ivies (CS, Econ, Math, Engineering). Plus most rodeo kids didn't do so well in corporate recruiting due to their lower GPAs and weaker class schedules.

-Ivy alum

These are the graduation rates for all freshmen entering in Fall 2013. Are you under the impression that 85% of Harvard freshmen major in CS, econ, math, and engineering?

Also, are we moving the goalposts now? The statement was that these students don't graduate on time. This is demonstrably false at many schools.

CS and Econ are the two most popular majors for Harvard freshman. I'm a different poster from the one who said that rodeo kids don't graduate on time. In my experience at an Ivy, the only people who didn't graduate on time were those with mental health issues or other extenuating circumstances.

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Anonymous wrote:Start the Common App in 9th grade...keep using it to add all the EC stats. You get into the habit of logging your accomplishment as well as have a fair sense where your application is weak.

Chart your courses for the entire HS journey beginning of 9th grade

Advanced Math actually starts from ES years. Don't wait for the school to enrich and accelerate. You can do it on your own by using Khan Academy.

College visits from 10th grade. Virtual is absolutely fine. Interview them.

You can do this?? I didn't even know that.

+2. Is this true?

You can create a parent account and have access to the entire common app. The only thing you are unable to do with the parent app is submit the application. For my high stat kid, I wanted to know what the app consisted of. Yes, this meant that for a lot of the activities he liked to do, we also approached from the angle of how they could be presented advantageously on the common app. If there was a need to enhance the activity by tying in with other things, we were able to do that. If you have no idea what the common app is asking for, you cannot be strategic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're wrong. Graduating doesn't mean anything if your degree is in sociology or gender studies. Upper-middle class White/Asian kids dominate the high-paying majors at Ivies (CS, Econ, Math, Engineering). Plus most rodeo kids didn't do so well in corporate recruiting due to their lower GPAs and weaker class schedules.

-Ivy alum

OK, maybe you are right. You have provided unimpeachable proof the ivies graduate imbeciles. Mea Culpa.

It’s not just Ivies. Harvard graduated everyone. But many other schools are also difficult for rodeo girl.

[Anonymous]

Academic ability is like any other. You don’t expect your tall kid to be LeBron James. Why do you think they are Harvard material if they are just average but URMs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can't engineer your kid to be something he/she isn't. It's pretty obvious in sports when parents try (the Ryan Leaf/Todd Marinovich syndrome) even when they are talented.

The same goes for academics . All you can do is give them support and every opportunity you can afford and stay the hell out of their way.

good advice but I doubt they will listen to you...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:You're wrong. Graduating doesn't mean anything if your degree is in sociology or gender studies. Upper-middle class White/Asian kids dominate the high-paying majors at Ivies (CS, Econ, Math, Engineering). Plus most rodeo kids didn't do so well in corporate recruiting due to their lower GPAs and weaker class schedules.

-Ivy alum

OK, maybe you are right. You have provided unimpeachable proof the ivies graduate imbeciles. Mea Culpa.

It’s not just Ivies. Harvard graduated everyone. But many other schools are also difficult for rodeo girl.

Yeah you didn't read the entire posts you replied to, did you?

[Anonymous]

Silly summer programs. Yale Young Global Scholars. Waste of time/money.