Playing time expectations

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Qualities of a Great Sports Coach from the highest levels, the International Olympic Committee. https://stillmed.olympic.org/media/Document%20Library/OlympicOrg/IOC/What-We-Do/Protecting-Clean-Athletes/Athletes-Space/Athletes-Entourage/Coaches/EN-Qualities-of-a-coach.pdf

No where does it talk about the need to win. Winning comes from adequate preparation which comes from the club. Some of the best and most positive experiences can coming from losing. It's a matter of perspective. Over time, I hope parents, coaches, and directors can stop being so hard on themselves. Allow coaches and kids to fail a lot and learn from their experiences. If you have a team, everyone is happy, players improve, coach is successful motivating each player, that's success.

Winning has never been mentioned.

Development requires a motivated player. Being unsatisfied with playing time is a first step. Determining what is required to earn more playing time is the next step.

All you seem to want is more playing time with little regard for the work required to get more playing time. Even at U10, playing time is not an entitlement.

Even at U10, 90% of development occurs in training.

I’m not the OP nor any of the PPs. It’s Thanksgiving. Can you take a day off from being so angry? Be thankful for good health. Be thankful for having a good life and having a horrible soccer issue to have to deal with. Note that winning has been brought up many times from people who seem to be soccer coaches and clubs want to keep their brand whatever that brand might be.

Nothing angry about giving honest and realistic advice.

If 50% of playing time is a horrible soccer experience then life must be pretty good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Qualities of a Great Sports Coach from the highest levels, the International Olympic Committee. https://stillmed.olympic.org/media/Document%20Library/OlympicOrg/IOC/What-We-Do/Protecting-Clean-Athletes/Athletes-Space/Athletes-Entourage/Coaches/EN-Qualities-of-a-coach.pdf

No where does it talk about the need to win. Winning comes from adequate preparation which comes from the club. Some of the best and most positive experiences can coming from losing. It's a matter of perspective. Over time, I hope parents, coaches, and directors can stop being so hard on themselves. Allow coaches and kids to fail a lot and learn from their experiences. If you have a team, everyone is happy, players improve, coach is successful motivating each player, that's success.

Winning has never been mentioned.

+1

Development requires a motivated player. Being unsatisfied with playing time is a first step. Determining what is required to earn more playing time is the next step.

All you seem to want is more playing time with little regard for the work required to get more playing time. Even at U10, playing time is not an entitlement.

Even at U10, 90% of development occurs in training.

I’m not the OP nor any of the PPs. It’s Thanksgiving. Can you take a day off from being so angry? Be thankful for good health. Be thankful for having a good life and having a horrible soccer issue to have to deal with. Note that winning has been brought up many times from people who seem to be soccer coaches and clubs want to keep their brand whatever that brand might be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Qualities of a Great Sports Coach from the highest levels, the International Olympic Committee. https://stillmed.olympic.org/media/Document%20Library/OlympicOrg/IOC/What-We-Do/Protecting-Clean-Athletes/Athletes-Space/Athletes-Entourage/Coaches/EN-Qualities-of-a-coach.pdf

No where does it talk about the need to win. Winning comes from adequate preparation which comes from the club. Some of the best and most positive experiences can coming from losing. It's a matter of perspective. Over time, I hope parents, coaches, and directors can stop being so hard on themselves. Allow coaches and kids to fail a lot and learn from their experiences. If you have a team, everyone is happy, players improve, coach is successful motivating each player, that's success.

Winning has never been mentioned.

Development requires a motivated player. Being unsatisfied with playing time is a first step. Determining what is required to earn more playing time is the next step.

All you seem to want is more playing time with little regard for the work required to get more playing time. Even at U10, playing time is not an entitlement.

Even at U10, 90% of development occurs in training.

I’m not the OP nor any of the PPs. It’s Thanksgiving. Can you take a day off from being so angry? Be thankful for good health. Be thankful for having a good life and having a horrible soccer issue to have to deal with. Note that winning has been brought up many times from people who seem to be soccer coaches and clubs want to keep their brand whatever that brand might be.

+1

[Anonymous]

Qualities of a Great Sports Coach from the highest levels, the International Olympic Committee. https://stillmed.olympic.org/media/Document%20Libr...es/EN-Qualities-of-a-coach.pdf

No where does it talk about the need to win. Winning comes from adequate preparation which comes from the club.

No where does it mention playing time either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Qualities of a Great Sports Coach from the highest levels, the International Olympic Committee. https://stillmed.olympic.org/media/Document%20Library/OlympicOrg/IOC/What-We-Do/Protecting-Clean-Athletes/Athletes-Space/Athletes-Entourage/Coaches/EN-Qualities-of-a-coach.pdf

No where does it talk about the need to win. Winning comes from adequate preparation which comes from the club. Some of the best and most positive experiences can coming from losing. It's a matter of perspective. Over time, I hope parents, coaches, and directors can stop being so hard on themselves. Allow coaches and kids to fail a lot and learn from their experiences. If you have a team, everyone is happy, players improve, coach is successful motivating each player, that's success.

Winning has never been mentioned.

Development requires a motivated player. Being unsatisfied with playing time is a first step. Determining what is required to earn more playing time is the next step.

All you seem to want is more playing time with little regard for the work required to get more playing time. Even at U10, playing time is not an entitlement.

Even at U10, 90% of development occurs in training.

I’m not the OP nor any of the PPs. It’s Thanksgiving. Can you take a day off from being so angry? Be thankful for good health. Be thankful for having a good life and having a horrible soccer issue to have to deal with. Note that winning has been brought up many times from people who seem to be soccer coaches and clubs want to keep their brand whatever that brand might be.

Nothing angry about giving honest and realistic advice.

If 50% of playing time is a horrible soccer experience then life must be pretty good.

Yes that is good play time

[Anonymous]

Determined to have the last word? That must be some salty turkey you are having!

Meanwhile, people can find clubs that know how to develop 9 year olds. I wish you would post the name of this Kobra Kai soccer club so we can all avoid it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Determined to have the last word? That must be some salty turkey you are having!

Meanwhile, people can find clubs that know how to develop 9 year olds. I wish you would post the name of this Kobra Kai soccer club so we can all avoid it.

Oh they will when they get cut from U10

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Determined to have the last word? That must be some salty turkey you are having!

Meanwhile, people can find clubs that know how to develop 9 year olds. I wish you would post the name of this Kobra Kai soccer club so we can all avoid it.

Oh they will when they get cut from U10

What's the name of this win at all costs club? I'd like to stay away from it.

[Anonymous]

actually that's a great idea. I am sure the club and coach would love the publicity. After all -- there is a poster here who thinks it is a good idea to play 9 and 10 year olds less than others. The club and coach should be proud to let the soccer world know about their winning ways with u9 and u10 teams, and their uniquely fabulous training techniques and incentives.

Or, do you think, the club leadership would be ticked off and DofC embarassed that such a thing was occuring?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:actually that's a great idea. I am sure the club and coach would love the publicity. After all -- there is a poster here who thinks it is a good idea to play 9 and 10 year olds less than others. The club and coach should be proud to let the soccer world know about their winning ways with u9 and u10 teams, and their uniquely fabulous training techniques and incentives.

Or, do you think, the club leadership would be ticked off and DofC embarassed that such a thing was occuring?

Again people, You have lost the concept of competitive sports. Unfortunately we have babied our kids to the point they don't understand what it means to compete. What we now call competitive travel soccer. Is nothing more than expensive rec soccer. Gone is the old try-out to make the team. Compete with teammates for playing time. Then together as a competitive team. Train together. win together, lose together, and grow together. Now we have a bunch of entitled parents raising entitled snowflake kids, They think that they should be able to buy the experience for the kids. Understand what your paying for. A paid professional coaching staff, a year long reserved quality training space. a competitive league run by professionals. a professional kit worn by your club so all 400+ kids look good. WHATS ISNT INCLUDED IN YOUR PAYMENT, Trophies for participation, your kids attitude, work ethic. guaranteed minutes played in games, and your kids future success in every aspect of life. Its OK if your kid isn't good enough to earn playing time. Even if they love it reality is they might not be good enough. There is something out for them. There a many things your kid is better at than anyone else is on you soccer team. Life is huge and no mater how much its loved soccer isn't. Nothing worth having is given it must be earned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:actually that's a great idea. I am sure the club and coach would love the publicity. After all -- there is a poster here who thinks it is a good idea to play 9 and 10 year olds less than others. The club and coach should be proud to let the soccer world know about their winning ways with u9 and u10 teams, and their uniquely fabulous training techniques and incentives.

Or, do you think, the club leadership would be ticked off and DofC embarassed that such a thing was occuring?

Rec soccer has playing time minimums and this player, on a travel team, is getting the required minutes even for Rec. There is nothing to see here. Some kids get more minutes and some get less.

Here are some sports you might want to try instead:
Tennis
Swimming
Golf
Tai Kwon doe
Gymnastics
Competitive cheer
Track
Cross country

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:actually that's a great idea. I am sure the club and coach would love the publicity. After all -- there is a poster here who thinks it is a good idea to play 9 and 10 year olds less than others. The club and coach should be proud to let the soccer world know about their winning ways with u9 and u10 teams, and their uniquely fabulous training techniques and incentives.

Or, do you think, the club leadership would be ticked off and DofC embarassed that such a thing was occuring?

Again people, You have lost the concept of competitive sports. Unfortunately we have babied our kids to the point they don't understand what it means to compete. What we now call competitive travel soccer. Is nothing more than expensive rec soccer. Gone is the old try-out to make the team. Compete with teammates for playing time. Then together as a competitive team. Train together. win together, lose together, and grow together. Now we have a bunch of entitled parents raising entitled snowflake kids, They think that they should be able to buy the experience for the kids. Understand what your paying for. A paid professional coaching staff, a year long reserved quality training space. a competitive league run by professionals. a professional kit worn by your club so all 400+ kids look good. WHATS ISNT INCLUDED IN YOUR PAYMENT, Trophies for participation, your kids attitude, work ethic. guaranteed minutes played in games, and your kids future success in every aspect of life. Its OK if your kid isn't good enough to earn playing time. Even if they love it reality is they might not be good enough. There is something out for them. There a many things your kid is better at than anyone else is on you soccer team. Life is huge and no mater how much its loved soccer isn't. Nothing worth having is given it must be earned.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:actually that's a great idea. I am sure the club and coach would love the publicity. After all -- there is a poster here who thinks it is a good idea to play 9 and 10 year olds less than others. The club and coach should be proud to let the soccer world know about their winning ways with u9 and u10 teams, and their uniquely fabulous training techniques and incentives.

Or, do you think, the club leadership would be ticked off and DofC embarassed that such a thing was occuring?

Even at 9 and 10 years old, in travel sports playing time is not an entitlement. This is the fundamental difference between travel sports and recreation sports.

In travel soccer a player has 3 days a week to train, improve and earn playing time for games. A typical rec team will only practice one to two times a week. The level of commitment for self improvement is simply not a major part of the equation in rec.

Travel sports require a dedicated commitment to improve and to improve within the scope of the team. Development happens over the course of the week during practice. The game is the reward for that work. Kids who work harder, stay focused and implement the team concepts during the week will earn more playing time in games.

It is vital to know your own player and to know their abilities. If a player is at the bottom of the roster consistently then you should certainly seek out a lower level team within the club. In time a better outside player will push your kid out anyways. You can complain all you want about playing time but frankly your kid is just not good enough on that team and more game minutes are not going to improve your player, that is what practice is for.

[Anonymous]

Well then name the club and coach.

According to these last few posts everyone will love them. Obviously they will be very happy about the free publicity. If you don’t know this particular team then name the clubs and coaches you do know about that routinely encourage 9 and 10 year olds by limiting playing time. Come on don’t be shy. Quit pussyfooting around. Let’s get these names out there so they can benefit from all the love and positive publicity that will surely follow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:actually that's a great idea. I am sure the club and coach would love the publicity. After all -- there is a poster here who thinks it is a good idea to play 9 and 10 year olds less than others. The club and coach should be proud to let the soccer world know about their winning ways with u9 and u10 teams, and their uniquely fabulous training techniques and incentives.

Or, do you think, the club leadership would be ticked off and DofC embarassed that such a thing was occuring?

Even at 9 and 10 years old, in travel sports playing time is not an entitlement. This is the fundamental difference between travel sports and recreation sports.

In travel soccer a player has 3 days a week to train, improve and earn playing time for games. A typical rec team will only practice one to two times a week. The level of commitment for self improvement is simply not a major part of the equation in rec.

Travel sports require a dedicated commitment to improve and to improve within the scope of the team. Development happens over the course of the week during practice. The game is the reward for that work. Kids who work harder, stay focused and implement the team concepts during the week will earn more playing time in games.

It is vital to know your own player and to know their abilities. If a player is at the bottom of the roster consistently then you should certainly seek out a lower level team within the club. In time a better outside player will push your kid out anyways. You can complain all you want about playing time but frankly your kid is just not good enough on that team and more game minutes are not going to improve your player, that is what practice is for.

Just a contributor to this thread here. Generically speaking here, I think sometimes clubs and coaches offer players on teams that aren’t at the correct level for them and it wasn’t a mistake either but we don’t have to go there. Some people here have said it as much.Some players work harder than starters at practice and have a team player but there is no change week after week. Believe if you want or look the other way I don’t really care. Maybe the coach finally sees the player’s value by the end of the season. Problem is that it’s too late by then and a player has lost considerable time playing in games. Even if the person finally sees his value, I have to wonder if more play time correlates to spring tryouts in any way.