By Show of Hands...How Many of Your Schools Have Had Teachers Leave Already?
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Anonymous
It is if the child is hurting others. Why should a child who is a danger to others and himself be at school the next day? It creates an unsafe environment for the other students. Get the kid an IEP or get him out. |
Anonymous
Exactly! Where are the alternative schools with people who are trained to handle behaviorally challenged students? Let those who want to learn do so in peace. In facilities that resemble schools not juvenile halls. |
Anonymous
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Lord people. You can't have it be a generational problem AND a printing problem. You think people are just going to wake up one day, after not receiving their own education and "scraping by" and just go "D'OH! I should emphasize SCHOOL. That's easy, why the hell didn't I think of that?"
Then, they just skip on down to school pay the 2 open drug markets and the place where you can get guns cheap, to their super high quality local school and just fix that problem. Oh and that "specialized school" to "deal with their issues" where the hell is that by the way? |
Anonymous
So yes, Get the child an IEP, not a suspension which will just put them back in school the next day to repeat the cycle! Let's fix the problem instead of making it worse. Don't want anyone else to be hurt! Suspending a peek or K child won't stop anyone else from being hurt. I want safe schools. |
Anonymous
If the child has an IEP that means he or she is being serviced and likely is NOT a child who is hurting others. If so there are detailed strategies for dealing with it in the IEP. |
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My MIL worked in a pull out program for high school students in some of the last of her 30 years in the NYC Public City School System. We were absolutely terrified for her, and she got upset every time one of her "kids" got arrested (this was after the equivalent of being a teacher at Mann or Key for 25 years) for possessing and firing a handgun on a playground, violating probation, all sorts of things.
THIS was a pull out program aimed towards still, a HS diploma. I get the sense having moved here we have nothing like that, or anything to move kids towards vocational programs. I think the US school system is insane (the one I came from was absolutely unforgiving, but there has to be a happy medium) |
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I believe all of this about the schools.
I recently posted about needing to pull my kid out of Pre-K and after the initial commenters realized this wasn't for a BS problem they got it. A 4 year old was threatening to bring a gun and shoot people in the head. Nevermind that that particular is probably not going to happen (though it could,) more concerning is her repeating what she was hearing at home about guns and such. Like we needed her parents showing up and ending up creating the OK Corral at my kid's school. It was ugly. Then the grandmother withdrew the kid and we all thought we were safe. But really not. Another kid is acting out and violent. Blah blah, the point of this is THESE ARE 4 YEAR OLDS! If they learn this by 4, I can only imagine how bad it gets by middle and high school. What helped get the point across to DCPS about that first kid? Pay attention all: VIDEO. The school took video of the child and sent it to DCPS who had formerly been ignoring the Principal's requests for intervention. Suddenly then, it was serious. They will not take you seriously without proof. My other point I wanted to make is that I know for a fact that the teachers are told what someone said upthread - if a kid fails or doesn't graduate, they ding the teacher in their evaluations. My kid was in SWW, and was blowing it. We were worried about a revocation of a college acceptance. We brought this up to one of the teachers who was giving our kid a D for the semester (not to badger the teacher or guilt her, but to find out how to help) and she said don't worry, she can't do anything to impact a student losing a scholarship or college acceptance for exactly the reason above. The Principal will hold them responsible in their review, etc. So the bar gets lowered. Awesome! |
Anonymous
| Some.charter schools have tries to provide specialized programs for behavioral issues. The problem.is they are held against the same nclb testing standards that are Duncan and Obama ramped up and are now backpedaling from. There SHOULD be specialized schools and they should have reasonable outcome expectations based on the population they are serving. Due to the potential for abuse, they should be heavily monitored and supported. We need to do right by these kids and all kids. One sixe fits all (the current standard) does NOT work. |
Anonymous
Your "tough as hell..." makes it seem like teachers are leaving DCPS in droves because of the students. That's not the case. Talented, dedicated, inspired teachers leave every year for these reasons: 1. Many administrators hand-picked by Kaya Henderson are incompetent, corrupt, and unethical. 2. DCPS teachers receive little support and little respect. 3. IMPACT is subjective and punitive. 4. If you are disliked, you will be treated poorly and unfairly. 5. You can keep your sanity and a good professional record if you leave DCPS. I know all of this because I stayed for two years and then quit last December. It broke my heart, but I had to leave. Money means nothing. Central office is corrupt. They will not help you. The Union will not help either. Sometimes, you leave when you see that you cannot fight tho system and win. |
Anonymous
| At our high school we had about 7 teachers leave but all left for a change in careers. |
Anonymous
Yeah, something about dealing with the BS in DC schools will make a person want to leave education altogether. I've seen at least 7 leave as well. Another just accepted an offer and will be submitting her resignation as soon as we return from Snowmaggedon. |
Anonymous
I agree 100% with everything you've said in this post, especially your list of reasons. However the bolded resonates because the issues in DCPS really are top down. A current DCPS teacher and I were discussing this just a few days ago. His belief is that all the good, competent leaders with integrity have left DCPS and the system is left with what it's left with. This seems to be the truth. I talk to tons of teachers around the District and they all share the same frustrations--basically BSing principals with no integrity who seem to read from the same script. I also know someone who was cut from Central Office and now works in the schools. S/he brought their corrupt mindset into the school building and will share (behind closed doors and sometimes intimate in front of others) that a lot of BS happens in Central Office. They know when BS and number fudging are happening in the schools but celebrate it anyway. They want to encourage other schools to do the same. It's all about manipulate numbers so we look good! It's sad what a scam is being pulled on the poor families in DC. I disagree however that students are not the problem. Student behavior is a huge problem and reason many teachers leave. Of course, the behavior is secondary. The real reason is that there's no support around behavior issues. There are no consequences for poor, violent, criminal student behavior. |
Anonymous
All of this!
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I'm Sorry that you are having a hard time. However, can you step back and see how arrogant you (likely) were when you started just a few weeks ago? DCPS attracts/recruits urban teaching 'veterans' who assume that they can do what DCPS teachers cannot accomplish. It drives me nuts. Every year I see you all start the year with smug attitudes and then bail. Turns out that this is a tough as hell place to teach. Your "tough as hell..." makes it seem like teachers are leaving DCPS in droves because of the students. That's not the case. Talented, dedicated, inspired teachers leave every year for these reasons: 1. Many administrators hand-picked by Kaya Henderson are incompetent, corrupt, and unethical. 2. DCPS teachers receive little support and little respect. 3. IMPACT is subjective and punitive. 4. If you are disliked, you will be treated poorly and unfairly. 5. You can keep your sanity and a good professional record if you leave DCPS. I know all of this because I stayed for two years and then quit last December. It broke my heart, but I had to leave. Money means nothing. Central office is corrupt. They will not help you. The Union will not help either. Sometimes, you leave when you see that you cannot fight tho system and win. PP, I agree 100%. I'm applying for other teaching positions now and hope to leave by the end of Jan. It is not because the students are so violent. It's because this school system is corrupt. They make us drill and test and drill and test. Parents say nothing and accept everything. I'm sick of this. |
Anonymous
I'm Sorry that you are having a hard time. However, can you step back and see how arrogant you (likely) were when you started just a few weeks ago? DCPS attracts/recruits urban teaching 'veterans' who assume that they can do what DCPS teachers cannot accomplish. It drives me nuts. Every year I see you all start the year with smug attitudes and then bail. Turns out that this is a tough as hell place to teach. Your "tough as hell..." makes it seem like teachers are leaving DCPS in droves because of the students. That's not the case. Talented, dedicated, inspired teachers leave every year for these reasons: 1. Many administrators hand-picked by Kaya Henderson are incompetent, corrupt, and unethical. 2. DCPS teachers receive little support and little respect. 3. IMPACT is subjective and punitive. 4. If you are disliked, you will be treated poorly and unfairly. 5. You can keep your sanity and a good professional record if you leave DCPS. I know all of this because I stayed for two years and then quit last December. It broke my heart, but I had to leave. Money means nothing. Central office is corrupt. They will not help you. The Union will not help either. Sometimes, you leave when you see that you cannot fight tho system and win. PP, I agree 100%. I'm applying for other teaching positions now and hope to leave by the end of Jan. It is not because the students are so violent. It's because this school system is corrupt. They make us drill and test and drill and test. Parents say nothing and accept everything. I'm sick of this. Not the PP but agree that CORRUPT is the word. The mayor has shown herself to be a strong, competent leader during this storm. She really needs to step up & in to see what's really going on this these prison holding cells that are passing as schools and fix the problem. I've liked Kaya but now agree with most that she really needs to go. The new chancellor should have a solid background in education & a PhD in the field. She wouldn't have been hired in a suburban or functional school system without those basic requisites so why do the kids of DC get the shaft and treated like guinea pigs? |