Public School Kid Has MUCH Better Ivy Chances Than Private School Kid

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Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

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Anonymous wrote:I will forever never understand why people opt for private school over public if the goal is to get into Ivy. Logically, if you have any brains, being number 1 in your class will count more than being number 100. It follows then, if your kid is way smart and committed, put them in public where they have the best chance of being number 1 and they can look awesome.

I put my kids in private not for college but because I believe for 4 or whatever years, their quality of life will be more enjoyable, they will be less distracted from learning effectively, they will thrive in the environment offered by the school we chose. This is all about MS and HS being a long 7 years and during these 7 years, they aren't going hate their life! In the process, they will have also learned and they will thrive.

If I was hell bent on them only getting through these years in order to end up at Harvard, there is something wrong with me as a parent and person. Life continues after Harvard. Life continues long after college and the 7 years that they have isn't going to make or break their life but it will in these key years, shape them.

That's all private school is - another environment besides public to choose from. How well your kid does academically is up to them but in public, they def have an opportunity to shine brighter than in pvt where the "competition" is higher because everyone is seeking to shine brightest

Except top publics (your typical UMC public) are full of the top kids. In our graduating class of 700 kids, how can you be sure you will be ranked 1, and how else can you ensure that you stand out? For every basketball tryout, there are 80 other kids hoping to make the team along with your kid. Apply that to every activity. And if you want to go to an Ivy, you are expected to do more of them and show leadership in them - more APs (and more are offered at public, so you need to take more of them than at private), more competition to get into the top classes, more offerings but impossible to make schedules work, and more after school clubs and national championship activities such as Debate, Forensics, chess, math competitions, Science Olympiad, robotics competitions, state and national orchestras...

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

“Basic” being the key word in this comment.

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

“Basic” being the key word in this comment.

It is amazing that the people fighting for TJ, don't seem to have them 🤔

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

“Basic” being the key word in this comment.

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Roughly 90% of children in US attend public school. Roughly 10% private school.

Roughly 60% of Ivy+ is public school. Roughly 40% is private.

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Anonymous wrote:I will forever never understand why people opt for private school over public if the goal is to get into Ivy. Logically, if you have any brains, being number 1 in your class will count more than being number 100. It follows then, if your kid is way smart and committed, put them in public where they have the best chance of being number 1 and they can look awesome.

I put my kids in private not for college but because I believe for 4 or whatever years, their quality of life will be more enjoyable, they will be less distracted from learning effectively, they will thrive in the environment offered by the school we chose. This is all about MS and HS being a long 7 years and during these 7 years, they aren't going hate their life! In the process, they will have also learned and they will thrive.

If I was hell bent on them only getting through these years in order to end up at Harvard, there is something wrong with me as a parent and person. Life continues after Harvard. Life continues long after college and the 7 years that they have isn't going to make or break their life but it will in these key years, shape them.

That's all private school is - another environment besides public to choose from. How well your kid does academically is up to them but in public, they def have an opportunity to shine brighter than in pvt where the "competition" is higher because everyone is seeking to shine brightest

it depends on the private

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

“Basic” being the key word in this comment.

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Roughly 90% of children in US attend public school. Roughly 10% private school.

Roughly 60% of Ivy+ is public school. Roughly 40% is private.

The skew comes from a small sliver of privates.

It's probably 10% from select publics, 50% from all other publics, 30% from select privates, 10% from all other privates.

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

“Basic” being the key word in this comment.

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Roughly 90% of children in US attend public school. Roughly 10% private school.

Roughly 60% of Ivy+ is public school. Roughly 40% is private.

And as we all know, the population of students who attend private school is identical to the population of students who attend public school. Their parents have the same education and income, they have the same average SAT scores, and they go to college at exactly the same rates. That’s how we can be sure that it’s the private high schools that make the difference, and not any of those other factors.

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Anonymous wrote:I suspect there were no legacy or athletic recruits among the TJ admits.

Why would you conclude that TJ students (or Blair/Whitman/Churchill for that matter) don't have a parent who attended HYPS?

How many Princeton legacies do you think go to public school at TJ?

I always look for schools that do not have any legacy preference as a gauge. MIT, JHU, CalTech, CMU, Amherst, Berkeley (and all the UCs), Michigan. Other than Michigan, there’s significantly less acceptances to all of these schools across the board, both public and private, leading me to believe legacy is a big factor in all the admissions stats.

Aside from the SLACs, you are talking about STEM schools.

The only top STEM school with significant legacy is probably Stanford.

TJ has a reasonable number of MIT, JHU, CalTech, CMU.

Does STEM make a difference? Those schools have non-STEM too, and anyway most of the TJ kids going to Ivy+ are STEM majors.

I don’t know how many they really have but I see 0 MIT, 1 JHU, 2 Berkeley and 3 CMU posted on IG this year from TJ. Not many.

You may want to check again...or are you confusing TJ with Sidwell, which has not had any MIT matriculation in the last 4 years!

DP, but it wouldn't be a big deal for Sidwell to not have MIT since their sole focus isn't STEM, it would be a huge deal for TJ and saying a lot given STEM is their thing and MIT would be a big school they are aiming... and given their class size it makes you question how they wouldn't get one...

It tells us that legacy plays a big role in Sidwell admissions. ( schools with legacies: high admissions, schools with no legacy: really low admissions).
BTW, TJ send kids to MIT every year.

Does it??? Cause a school not sending kids to a university that specializes in something that the school doesn't specialize in is called an outlier and is generally considered irrelevant by normal people...

No. This makes no sense for people who know something about higher education. Sidwell isn't like a school of the performing arts that has no STEM offerings. There are kids there who go on to careers in the sciences. There's no reason why its students couldn't get a degree from MIT like many other students from private schools and public schools around the world.

And they do get degrees from MIT, but not sending kids to MIT this particular year is far less of a red flag than TJ not sending kids to MIT this year...

TJ send kids to MIT every year, including this year, they just don’t post it on insta, sofar only 30% graduates post on insta.
Also TJ sending plenty of kids to Ivies, mostly majoring in Stem.

Plenty of people don't want to post about their college or other private matters in their life on Instagram. Student run Instagram pages are not going to be a complete record of information for college matriculation data at any particular high School.

Approximately 91% of Sidwell’s current seniors posted their college destinations on the Instagram page. It seems like they’re just proud of where they’re attending college in the fall.

How many of them are going to MIT, JHU, CalTech, CMU, Berkeley?

From Sidwell- just one Berkeley this year!

PP here- my point was not about exact numbers, just that when I see those acceptances I know they’re not legacy, whereas all the other Ivys I take with a grain of salt, as you can never assume legacy is not a factor. It’s interesting that every year, from TJ or Sidwell or Whitman, there’s significantly less acceptances to MIT/JHU/CalTech/Berkeley than HYPS. I think legacy plays a big factor in all the schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

“Basic” being the key word in this comment.

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Roughly 90% of children in US attend public school. Roughly 10% private school.

Roughly 60% of Ivy+ is public school. Roughly 40% is private.

And as we all know, the population of students who attend private school is identical to the population of students who attend public school. Their parents have the same education and income, they have the same average SAT scores, and they go to college at exactly the same rates. That’s how we can be sure that it’s the private high schools that make the difference, and not any of those other factors.

What a words of salad.
I hope this is sarcastic.

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

Ivies don't give merit aid, so you need to be really wealthy or have low enough income to get financial aid. There's a big donut hole around the middle class (sort of like private schools). Ivies also fill 10-20% of each class from the ED pool, which is basically families that don't care about financial aid.

My kid went private for elementary but graduated from public, and went straight to one of the "top ivies" (gross term, but relevant here). We figure it was because (apart from DC's national-level achievement in an EC, good test scores, etc) DC applied ED and we were full pay.

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This is not a consideration for 99% of the population. At. All.

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

And those privates school is not in DMV area, and most likely not your kid private school.
Privates Ivy feeder HS is mostly in the northeast/NY area, they are highly selective boarding school.
And just pick a random private school here will not give you better chance to ivy.

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

And those privates school is not in DMV area, and most likely not your kid private school.
Privates Ivy feeder HS is mostly in the northeast/NY area, they are highly selective boarding school.
And just pick a random private school here will not give you better chance to ivy.

Sidwell is definitely an Ivy+ feeder. They’re sending approximately 30% of the grade to Ivy+ universities this year. When you’re sending 30-35% of your students, every year, to 12 of the most highly selective universities in the country, you’re a feeder school.

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Anonymous wrote:Roughly 40% of Ivy+ admissions goes to private school. There is literally research on this. Look it up. Obviously, your chances are better from private. Anyone with basic math skills understands this.

And those privates school is not in DMV area, and most likely not your kid private school.
Privates Ivy feeder HS is mostly in the northeast/NY area, they are highly selective boarding school.
And just pick a random private school here will not give you better chance to ivy.

Sidwell is definitely an Ivy+ feeder. They’re sending approximately 30% of the grade to Ivy+ universities this year. When you’re sending 30-35% of your students, every year, to 12 of the most highly selective universities in the country, you’re a feeder school.

Pp is a moron. All of the big3 are feeders. It’s just shocking to me that parents actually truly believe otherwise. Whatever.