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My parents: Uppsala College; East Orange NJ. Defunct as of 1995.
American U. 1990 SIS grad. |
NP: people cannot choose their own interests? Seriously, you and the other PP seem to have a bad case of “STOP LIKING WHAT I DON’T LIKE!” tantrum. |
Is it somehow someone’s fault that more white people are interested in this forum? |
I think it interesting because it is a window into social mobility, albeit merely anecdotal and difficult to draw firm conclusions. If anything, I detect a strain that going to high value schools (someone mentioned the SUNY schools as an example) combined with diligence, make a lot of sense. Some of the so-called prestige schools attract very bright people. They would succeed in many environments. One can achieve social mobility without college. But the stats don't support it generally. I went to a so-called prestige school, but on athletic scholarship. For me, just going to a decent college (may parents did not go to any college) enabled me to mature, engage in time management, and set priorities. These are valuable skills and four years in the scholastic world gave me the opportunity and space to develop them. I observed it harder to obtain a degree in terms of requirements and volume at my twin brother's high quality state flagship. A multiple NCAA All American, he had significantly more requirements than I did at my private school. Not sure either was harder or easier on balance, but it was an equally challenging experience for him. He went on to be a well known Econometrics PHD, and his public school served him well, obtaining beyond generational wealth and living a full intellectual life (he passed away a year ago). i understand those who claim college should not be solely about social mobility. But for poor kids like my brother and me, it always loomed large in our minds. Getting it done on our own and without debt changed us. |
I don’t necessarily disagree with you, but HBCUs educate only a small percentage of black students: “Of all the bachelor’s and master’s degrees conferred to Black students, the percentage conferred by HBCUs has decreased over time. For example, HBCUs conferred 35 percent of the bachelor’s degrees and 21 percent of the master’s degrees Black students earned in 1976–77, compared with 13 and 5 percent, respectively, in 2021–22” https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=667 |
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I see a ton of downward mobility in these posts (Almost all Ivies/Duke/Stanford do not have Ivy kids or have Cornell kids at most).
I think this is 3 fold from observing the kids at our private school: 1)Kids who grow up around money/success do not feel the pressure/panic to achieve the same. 2)Highly successful people do not have the time to manage their kids. Getting kids into HYPDS generally takes some degree of micro management AT SOME POINT in high school. Very few HYPS level kids are completely self driven from ages 14-18. 3)Intelligence reverts to the mean? Not sure if this is true or not but it kind of holds true for some families I know. |
4) college admissions at top schools are way harder now than a generation ago |
| “Social Mobility” is not defined as moving up or down from one perceived tier of college ranking to another. Get a grip. |
| I’m surprised at that there seem to be no posters who attended college in India, The Middle East, West Africa, China, Korea, etc., given the large presence of immigrants in the DMV. |
+1. Much harder now without sports, donor, or other hook. |
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Parents: Amherst, Yale
DD1: Villanova DD2: Yale DS1: Amherst DD3: Brown DD4: Harvard DD5: Committing to Yale CO2030! DS2, DD6, & DS3: TBD |
I agree. Nothing but unearned white privilege showing up in like 90% of this forum. |
Very insightful post and I’m sorry for your loss. |
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Dad: Western Michigan
Mom: Kalamazoo College Kids: Albion, Michigan State |
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Parents: George Mason, None
Kids: V Tech, Radford |