Parents we are “friends” with fed our daughter fast food. Twice.

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Anonymous wrote:Micro nutrients aren't important in vegetables. You can take a vitamin pill. Fresh vegetables taste better (not gross) and have the macro nutrients and enough micronutrients.

What a ridiculous assertion. Micronutrients in vegetables are almost always much more bioavailable to the human body than those in supplemental form.

Honestly do you think millions of years of biological evolution was for naught?

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Anonymous wrote:I had a suite mate in college who grew up with extremely strict food rules. For the first two weeks of college she ate nothing but cookies and Lucky Charms. Teaching your kid about sometimes foods is appropriate.

Had classmates in middle school who came from the same "sugar free" family. Cannot even tell you how much candy they ate at school. I don't remember if the teachers were aware of either the restriction or the sugar consumption.

Saw an interview of a girl who was raised on "The Farm", the hippie commune in Tennessee now famous for their midwives. Said she once found a gum wrapper and carried it around with her sniffing it fondly.

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I am a teacher and I student I had years ago was never allowed processed food or sugar at home. He lived off of chocolate all day at school. He was like a sugar fiend every time some had some candy. I opened a bag of M and Ms and he asked for one. He poured almost the whole damn bag in his hand.

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Oh and to be clear he was a senior in HS.

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Anonymous wrote:I had a suite mate in college who grew up with extremely strict food rules. For the first two weeks of college she ate nothing but cookies and Lucky Charms. Teaching your kid about sometimes foods is appropriate.

So you went to a degree mill and had no high school friends who wanted to live with you? I’m sorry to hear that, dear.

DP here but was that supposed to be an insult? Because it's the opposite. I mean, I went to a school that literally nobody else from any high school (public or private) in my grade in my mid-sized city went to, so yeah I didn't have any high school friends there who wanted to live with me.

I mean, seriously, tell me you went to a state school that lets *everyone* in without telling me that you went to a state school that lets everyone in.

I've resisted mentioning this because it really doesn't matter, but since people keep bringing it up: I'm the person who told the anecdote which got the bizarre "diploma mill" attack and: this story happened at Northwestern. I'm sure someone's a big enough snob to call that school a "diploma mill", though.

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Anonymous wrote:From a food poisoning veteran who has more than enough globally adventurous eating under her belt, McD's hot foods are some of the safest things you can eat when traveling or on the go. They do not undercook anything, overcooked more like. It's also pretty consistent from country to country.

I guess you’ve yet to sample the McArabia sandwich from a Moroccan McDonalds. Do it before a 6 hour train journey without toilets- just for extra fun.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I think you deserve a break today. Others may not agree with your stance, but I'm loving it. It's easy to get good food, fast. You just start with better ingredients, and make sure they're always fresh, never frozen.

If you look at it as BOTH sides wanting what's best for growing kids, whether that's quality time or quality food, then it's not really a conflict at all -- where's the beef? Granted, some PPs think that you should defer to the hosting family about food rules when your child is a guest, but I think you should stay strong and have it your way. You rule!

There’s nothing wrong with frozen vegetables. It’s canned ones that have fewer nutrients.

Sometimes frozen is quite a bit more nutrient rich - frozen vegetables and fruits are flash frozen within hours of being picked ripe. Fresh produce in most large grocery stores has traveled for days to get to market. The only time fresh produce is actually as fresh as frozen is when you buy it from a farm stand in front of the farm where they picked it that day, or yesterday.

Oh, farms are freezing veggies same day? Yeah, right.

I have the advantage of being a T-15 educated attorney who once did back breaking work raking blueberries in the hot sun in the blueberry barrens of downeast Maine.

And yes, most of the berries we raked were trucked immediately to the facilities in Washington and Hancock County where they were flash frozen and bagged under both the Wyman name and for Hannaford’s store brand. At most the berries sat for a day before being processed - during the season the factory runs 24/7.

I went on to work with farm workers as a legal aid attorney and thus learned a lot about the agricultural industry and yes, most growers of crops that get frozen and sold as frozen food have factories within a very short distance of the field and freeze that produce within hours of picking it. What would be the point of letting product sit for days or trucking it long distance to facilities built far away for some inexplicable reason?

Yes, most frozen produce is flash frozen within hours or at most the next day. It doesn’t sit for days like the majority of ‘fresh’ produce as it makes it way from the fields in central and South America, or Canada, or even California to your grocery on the eastern seaboard USA.

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T15 is absolutely right about the flash freezing but otherwise totally nuts.

I clicked on this thinking the kid had allergies that were disregarded. No, fast food isn’t good for you, but it’s not going to have a long term impact if eaten twice

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Jesus . I feel bad for kids that don’t ever get to eat fast food.


What the hell? Those are usually the kids who love it the most. Your kid probably begged the parents to get her junk food again.

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Anonymous wrote:T15 is absolutely right about the flash freezing but otherwise totally nuts.

I clicked on this thinking the kid had allergies that were disregarded. No, fast food isn’t good for you, but it’s not going to have a long term impact if eaten twice

I’m not sure what you think I’m nuts about. Here’s a link (and you can find hundreds more) that discuss the significant nutrient losses in fruits and veggies within a couple of days of picking. https://research.reading.ac.uk/research-blog/...er%20being%20picked.

People measure this stuff, you know. It’s studied at universities; many state universities are land grant and have a mission to study agriculture and the public health. In another prior incarnation as a university student on financial aid, I worked at the bursars office and paid out invoices for researchers who regularly bought produce locally - both at large grocery chains shipped from far flung places and from local farmers markets - to study both nutrient density and also pesticide residues.

Incidentally a professor once told me to peel my grapes before eating them, but I just don’t eat them anymore, there are more healthful fruits anyway.

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Kids should eat junk food and dessert because they can enjoy it while they’re young and burn it fast . They have the metabolism for it unlike us as adults.

Everything in moderation but There’s absolutely nothing wrong with junk food. Your kid will grow up and hate you for such deprivation of small treats .

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Anonymous wrote:Micro nutrients aren't important in vegetables. You can take a vitamin pill. Fresh vegetables taste better (not gross) and have the macro nutrients and enough micronutrients.

Kids are growing so they crave fats . They aren’t wrong either. They need it for their growth hormones and all that.

Leave the salads to the adults who dont need as much fat needs

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Anonymous wrote:OP, your behavior is going to cost your daughter friendships. Word will get around that you guys are nuts and invites for your daughter will dry up. Not worth it to deal with you.

Anti fast food is really not an uncommon dieting restriction in UMC and highly educated parenting circles. But maybe it causes social issues in whatever proletariat orbit you’re steeping in.

NP. This comment just screams “I grew up LMC”

Taking your kids to McDonald’s screams family history of diabetes, heart disease & cancer, plus ignorance and child neglect.

I used to take my DD to McDonald's as a treat, after her PT sessions. She would work hard and it was painful, and this was a way to make the experience more pleasant for her. She's a middle schooler now and eats mostly healthy foods with occasional indulgences, same as when she was a kid. Except, no one is telling her how to eat, she makes good choices.

Wonder what OP (assuming not a troll) will do, when it turns out that they serve pizza and cake at practically every birthday party. Maybe her kid will not be invited, or she will forbid her from going. Or pack her a kale salad to eat at the party.

Are you people really this dull or are you coping and rationalizing because your family regularly consumes garbage? There is nothing wrong with good fresh homemade pizza made with organic ingredients and olive oil. And there is nothing wrong with a good homemade cake made with organic flour and butter. Once-in-a-while organic treats are not the same as the exhaustive list of chemical, preservative, GMO, and antibiotic-filled garbage found in the average fast food meal.

Do you even have children, or been to any kiddie birthday parties? The vast majority of people aren't doing "homemade pizza made with organic ingredients and olive oil" or "homemade cake made with organic flour and butter". They order this stuff, usually from Pizza Hut or Domino's or others of their ilk. Who the eff is making home made pizza and cake for twenty 7 year olds? Not to mention, a lot of venues don't allow outside food, and will provide whatever they normally serve. It's a fact of life that if you have an elementary aged kid who is invited to birthday parties, they'll be eating a bunch of junk food.

My middle school child and her friends do make pizza at home sometimes, but that's when you have like 5-6 kids that are capable of doing the work themselves.

Pizza Hut and Domino’s? You’re either in the Midwest or you’re firmly working class. Please speak for yourself.

God forbid that she is working class. The shudders!!!

Are you censoring the bullshit in your head, like at all????? Try it, please.

I bet this person thinks I'm tainted because I used to work in fast food when I was a student.

Also, I was just at a kid's birthday party where we had Domino's and his parents are both lawyers. But I guess we didn't inherit out money so we're "working class".

I wonder what planet some of these posters live on. Kids are not eating caviar, lentil soup, or arugula salad at birthday parties

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So we don’t think OP is a troll?

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should eat junk food and dessert because they can enjoy it while they’re young and burn it fast . They have the metabolism for it unlike us as adults.

Everything in moderation but There’s absolutely nothing wrong with junk food. Your kid will grow up and hate you for such deprivation of small treats .

That statement is a dangerous lie and every bit of current research on gut biome, obesity, dementia, heart disease and cancer is proving that lie - except of course the ‘research’ funded by Big Tobacco/Big Food.

Oh, didn’t you know that Big Tobacco owns a major stake in Big Food and that they have been engineering junk food for addictive purposes for decades now? They employ chemists, nutritionists, psychologists, etc. to help them understand how to get Americans to overeat food that causes major health issues and chronic disease.

And guess what? They also own major stakes in Big Pharma, too - to peddle the drugs that treat the diseases you got by eating the junk food they pushed on you exactly the same way those guys in The Wire pushed heroin et al.

If you think I’m nuts, you’re naive and being taken for a ride.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids should eat junk food and dessert because they can enjoy it while they’re young and burn it fast . They have the metabolism for it unlike us as adults.

Everything in moderation but There’s absolutely nothing wrong with junk food. Your kid will grow up and hate you for such deprivation of small treats .

That statement is a dangerous lie and every bit of current research on gut biome, obesity, dementia, heart disease and cancer is proving that lie - except of course the ‘research’ funded by Big Tobacco/Big Food.

Oh, didn’t you know that Big Tobacco owns a major stake in Big Food and that they have been engineering junk food for addictive purposes for decades now? They employ chemists, nutritionists, psychologists, etc. to help them understand how to get Americans to overeat food that causes major health issues and chronic disease.

And guess what? They also own major stakes in Big Pharma, too - to peddle the drugs that treat the diseases you got by eating the junk food they pushed on you exactly the same way those guys in The Wire pushed heroin et al.

If you think I’m nuts, you’re naive and being taken for a ride.

Fast food isn’t any worse than the pesticides put in plants .

Plants emit toxins when picked as a defense mechanism and we ingest anti nutrients like phytates and such in legumes and plants that don’t exist in meat .

The point being every food has a downside. Fast food isn’t any worse than organic salads.