2024 College Graduates, how’s the job market?

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Anonymous wrote:The CS majors I know from Columbia snd Stanford have great tech jobs starting this summer/fall.

The humanities majors I know from Yale, Georgetown and Dartmouth have finance gigs or consulting.

The kids from Wisconsin, Denison and Miami-Ohio - also all graduating shortly - are still looking.


Yeah, how connected are the students?


All of them from the same private high school. MC/UMC families. Think the school name helps in this part of cycle.


at least you're honest, a DCUM rarity.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The CS majors I know from Columbia snd Stanford have great tech jobs starting this summer/fall.

The humanities majors I know from Yale, Georgetown and Dartmouth have finance gigs or consulting.

The kids from Wisconsin, Denison and Miami-Ohio - also all graduating shortly - are still looking.


Yeah, how connected are the students?


All of them from the same private high school. MC/UMC families. Think the school name helps in this part of cycle.


at least you're honest, a DCUM rarity.


The college name is what matters. Not the HS.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Ok, so what does DCUM recommend for a kid who has good stats? DC does not have a particular passion for anything and is pretty much open to studying anything except the humanities (is decent but still hate writing). Seems every careers is up in the air with AI. I don't think he can handle plumbing (not very handy and probably does not have the strength to lift anything too heavy)


What are favorite subjects and topics?

Lots of anthropology majors at Dartmouth and Yale end up in consulting or finance…


Those people have "connections" that regular students and Yale and Dartmouth do not. You're a fool if you think otherwise.


Yes this is true. I have seen this as well at other esteemed schools, the regular fin aid students aren't getting anything impressive, or even nothing at all. Only the wealthy kids are getting anything.
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Anonymous wrote:I have worked at one of the big tech companies for the last decade. There are always peaks and valleys when it comes to hiring. Right now we are in a valley. There was a lot of over hiring 3-4 years ago. My company, while not letting people go, has limited hiring through the end of FY. Sometimes one just has to wait things out until the market improves.


tech companies are still hiring kids. My DC just applied to a top tech firm for their highly coveted training program - the company started late, just posting role within last couple of weeks. My kid has a major connection there, thank god - or wouldn’t have made it past the AI Our connection said that the company philosophy is to never cut back on new grad hires, even when laying off other areas


So it comes down to who you know and not what you know.


And, this is nothing new. I'm 47 and have gotten several jobs, even dating back to high school, because of a connection.


It's a combination. I've definitely interviewed people because of a connection but once they are in the pool they need to outshine the others.

But yes, personal connection matters. College freshman DD has a good summer job because she applied to one job at a local agency and happened to know the hiring manager (parent of a classmate). Manager let her know that job had been filled but encouraged her to apply to a different job that she'd not applied to because the job description didn't seem to be a fit but the manager said that while it says X, I'm really fine with someone who has Y. (+ Apparently being someone they know).


My experience is different than yours. If the resume comes from an EVP or SVP of the company, I am not going to say no to them because they are the one who determine my bonus and employment, unless the candidate is not qualified for the job. I can tell from personal experience that 99% of CS candidates can do the job, regardless of the school they attended. I am hiring SWE, not someone to build SpaceX.



I can see that with CS. My field is fairly specialized and while we train new grads we are looking for specific undergrad experience and execs might refer someone they think fits the role but does not. We also have a corporate culture where execs 100% do not expect us to hire their referrals, which I imagine is somewhat unique!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ok, so what does DCUM recommend for a kid who has good stats? DC does not have a particular passion for anything and is pretty much open to studying anything except the humanities (is decent but still hate writing). Seems every careers is up in the air with AI. I don't think he can handle plumbing (not very handy and probably does not have the strength to lift anything too heavy)


What are favorite subjects and topics?

Lots of anthropology majors at Dartmouth and Yale end up in consulting or finance…


Those people have "connections" that regular students and Yale and Dartmouth do not. You're a fool if you think otherwise.


Yes this is true. I have seen this as well at other esteemed schools, the regular fin aid students aren't getting anything impressive, or even nothing at all. Only the wealthy kids are getting anything.


How does a recruiter/company/firm know which kids are on financial aid and which kids are wealthy?
Anonymous
Navigating the intricate web of connections that lead to high-paying jobs after graduation from prestigious universities like Yale can be a daunting task. My DS recently shed light on the challenges faced by those from LC or MC backgrounds in accessing these coveted opportunities. It seems that a significant barrier exists, with affluent students seemingly monopolizing access to influential networks through familial connections and social circles.

The disparity is stark: while the affluent students effortlessly navigate the corridors of privilege, those from less privileged backgrounds find themselves on the outside looking in. Unless one possesses exceptional athletic or musical talents, breaking into these exclusive circles seems like an insurmountable feat. It appears that prowess in sports or the arts grants access to the coveted inner sanctum, where one's social capital is measured by their ability to attract attention and admiration.

In this ecosystem of privilege, the currency is not merely wealth but also influence and status. Athletes and musicians, despite their modest backgrounds, possess a certain allure that transcends monetary means. Their ability to captivate and charm earns them coveted spots within the elite social circles, where they are sought after not just for their talents but also for the doors they can open.

It's a transactional world, where relationships are forged on the basis of mutual benefit. While it's disheartening to acknowledge this reality, it's important to recognize the systemic barriers that perpetuate inequality within these institutions. As my DS has pointed out, it's not merely about merit but also about who you know and how you can leverage those connections for personal gain.
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Anonymous wrote:4 years is a long time. Job market may be different in 4 years when a freshman graduates from college.

This. And AI is going to change a lot of job sectors in ways that aren’t really predictable right now.


So seems like being an AI programmer would be a good choice because that will be the last job to go.

Kidding aside AI today is little more than a grammar checker. The hype is unwarranted.

at least for now. I don't think AI is taking over that many CS jobs, yet. Even Google's AI is not that great yet. The software engineers who were let go were from different product areas, not AI. Lots of tech companies over hired, and now they are adjusting, while also trying to grow their AI.

AI is not yet at the point where mid to upper level software engineers are being replaced by them. Low level programmer jobs have been offshored for over a decade. That is not going to change.


AI is making experienced programmers significantly more productive which starts reducing the pipeline of new hires.

Same thing is happening in many white collar professions

So many of you are repeating the same mantras about the Internet in 1994…it’s too slow, nobody will buy furniture/car/suits, etc over the Internet (my industry is safe), etc.

The ray of hope is that the Internet spawned completely new job creators like social media and new job categories.

You have to believe AI will do the same.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Navigating the intricate web of connections that lead to high-paying jobs after graduation from prestigious universities like Yale can be a daunting task. My DS recently shed light on the challenges faced by those from LC or MC backgrounds in accessing these coveted opportunities. It seems that a significant barrier exists, with affluent students seemingly monopolizing access to influential networks through familial connections and social circles.

The disparity is stark: while the affluent students effortlessly navigate the corridors of privilege, those from less privileged backgrounds find themselves on the outside looking in. Unless one possesses exceptional athletic or musical talents, breaking into these exclusive circles seems like an insurmountable feat. It appears that prowess in sports or the arts grants access to the coveted inner sanctum, where one's social capital is measured by their ability to attract attention and admiration.

In this ecosystem of privilege, the currency is not merely wealth but also influence and status. Athletes and musicians, despite their modest backgrounds, possess a certain allure that transcends monetary means. Their ability to captivate and charm earns them coveted spots within the elite social circles, where they are sought after not just for their talents but also for the doors they can open.

It's a transactional world, where relationships are forged on the basis of mutual benefit. While it's disheartening to acknowledge this reality, it's important to recognize the systemic barriers that perpetuate inequality within these institutions. As my DS has pointed out, it's not merely about merit but also about who you know and how you can leverage those connections for personal gain.


Is this chat GPT?? Who talks like this…
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Know 5 W&M grads this year and of those one is going directly on to grad school, the other have jobs lined up. Four social science type majors and one business.


How many obtained positions through parental or other connections? Which fields? [b]URMs?[b]/quote]

Np company is going to pay someone $100,000 for the right color tone. So have a seat and be quiet.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Navigating the intricate web of connections that lead to high-paying jobs after graduation from prestigious universities like Yale can be a daunting task. My DS recently shed light on the challenges faced by those from LC or MC backgrounds in accessing these coveted opportunities. It seems that a significant barrier exists, with affluent students seemingly monopolizing access to influential networks through familial connections and social circles.

The disparity is stark: while the affluent students effortlessly navigate the corridors of privilege, those from less privileged backgrounds find themselves on the outside looking in. Unless one possesses exceptional athletic or musical talents, breaking into these exclusive circles seems like an insurmountable feat. It appears that prowess in sports or the arts grants access to the coveted inner sanctum, where one's social capital is measured by their ability to attract attention and admiration.

In this ecosystem of privilege, the currency is not merely wealth but also influence and status. Athletes and musicians, despite their modest backgrounds, possess a certain allure that transcends monetary means. Their ability to captivate and charm earns them coveted spots within the elite social circles, where they are sought after not just for their talents but also for the doors they can open.

It's a transactional world, where relationships are forged on the basis of mutual benefit. While it's disheartening to acknowledge this reality, it's important to recognize the systemic barriers that perpetuate inequality within these institutions. As my DS has pointed out, it's not merely about merit but also about who you know and how you can leverage those connections for personal gain.


Where did he shed this light? Where does he work now? What was his major?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The CS majors I know from Columbia snd Stanford have great tech jobs starting this summer/fall.

The humanities majors I know from Yale, Georgetown and Dartmouth have finance gigs or consulting.

The kids from Wisconsin, Denison and Miami-Ohio - also all graduating shortly - are still looking.


Yeah, how connected are the students?


All of them from the same private high school. MC/UMC families. Think the school name helps in this part of cycle.


at least you're honest, a DCUM rarity.


The college name is what matters. Not the HS.


No, honestly. The high school name matters more. I have seen this play out a million times over.
Top privates (even in DC) have very tight alumni networks in high places and they look out for new graduates.

DCUM loves to scoff at people who they perceive as wasting money at Sidwell, STA, etc but this is really when those schools prove their worth.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ok, so what does DCUM recommend for a kid who has good stats? DC does not have a particular passion for anything and is pretty much open to studying anything except the humanities (is decent but still hate writing). Seems every careers is up in the air with AI. I don't think he can handle plumbing (not very handy and probably does not have the strength to lift anything too heavy)


What are favorite subjects and topics?

Lots of anthropology majors at Dartmouth and Yale end up in consulting or finance…


Yeah but that’s Dartmouth and Yale. There are maybe 10-15 schools where Anthropology majors can go into lucrative fields. Even at good school schools like Michigan and UVA, Anthropology majors are not going to be getting into consulting or finance unless they’re very connected or a varsity athlete.


My dd is getting an anthropology degree at UVA and has had great internships each year, all in nonprofit though. I suspect she will graduate next year with a great job though she is not gonna be doing soulless consulting work for sure.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Ok, so what does DCUM recommend for a kid who has good stats? DC does not have a particular passion for anything and is pretty much open to studying anything except the humanities (is decent but still hate writing). Seems every careers is up in the air with AI. I don't think he can handle plumbing (not very handy and probably does not have the strength to lift anything too heavy)


What are favorite subjects and topics?

Lots of anthropology majors at Dartmouth and Yale end up in consulting or finance…


Those people have "connections" that regular students and Yale and Dartmouth do not. You're a fool if you think otherwise.


Yes this is true. I have seen this as well at other esteemed schools, the regular fin aid students aren't getting anything impressive, or even nothing at all. Only the wealthy kids are getting anything.


How does a recruiter/company/firm know which kids are on financial aid and which kids are wealthy?


The wealthy kids are getting jobs at daddy's firm or through other connections. The normal students lack this and are struggling.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The CS majors I know from Columbia snd Stanford have great tech jobs starting this summer/fall.

The humanities majors I know from Yale, Georgetown and Dartmouth have finance gigs or consulting.

The kids from Wisconsin, Denison and Miami-Ohio - also all graduating shortly - are still looking.


Yeah, how connected are the students?


All of them from the same private high school. MC/UMC families. Think the school name helps in this part of cycle.


at least you're honest, a DCUM rarity.


The college name is what matters. Not the HS.


No, honestly. The high school name matters more. I have seen this play out a million times over.
Top privates (even in DC) have very tight alumni networks in high places and they look out for new graduates.

DCUM loves to scoff at people who they perceive as wasting money at Sidwell, STA, etc but this is really when those schools prove their worth.


+1. The Potomac school alumni network is a prime example.

DS graduated from UVA last year without a job in-waiting. He reached out to the Potomac alumni network and received a high paying job one week after.
Anonymous
The Yale Athletics Career Network is really powerful (but the most impressive is the Stanford one).
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