Are there four year colleges for C students.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former high school teacher, I know of a lot of A students in high school who were hand-held by parents and ended up doing quite poorly in college.

This doesn’t surprise me at all.

See, I find this odd AF. To "know" this, the teacher needs to (1) figure out which kids in high school are "hand held" by their parents and (2) follow up on those kids to learn their college GPAs.

I don't know any teacher who's ever done that. Certainly none of my kids' teachers have any idea how any of them did in college.

This is just another example of someone talking out her a$$ because it's the way she wants the world to be.

Look in the mirror, Ms. This Can’t Possibly Be True

That poster could easily prove my wrong by detailing how she came to the conclusion that she did, especially as a "former" teacher. How did she figure out who was hand held, how did she track their college progress/success, and how many students qualify as "a lot?"

She's not offering an opinion. She's claiming it's a fact. Back it up.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former high school teacher, I know of a lot of A students in high school who were hand-held by parents and ended up doing quite poorly in college.

This doesn’t surprise me at all.

See, I find this odd AF. To "know" this, the teacher needs to (1) figure out which kids in high school are "hand held" by their parents and (2) follow up on those kids to learn their college GPAs.

I don't know any teacher who's ever done that. Certainly none of my kids' teachers have any idea how any of them did in college.

This is just another example of someone talking out her a$$ because it's the way she wants the world to be.

Trust me, we know. All teachers can tell exactly which parents are helicopter parents.

Also, the fact that none of your kids' teachers kept up with them is not something I'd brag about. It means they were forgettable and didn't make an impression on any of their teachers. I have followed the academic careers and subsequent careers of many former students. I have connected former students with friends and colleagues in their interested fields for internships.

I allow former students to follow me on social media after graduation. This is how we see what's up and keep up with them.

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Anonymous wrote:As a former high school teacher, I know of a lot of A students in high school who were hand-held by parents and ended up doing quite poorly in college.

This doesn’t surprise me at all.

See, I find this odd AF. To "know" this, the teacher needs to (1) figure out which kids in high school are "hand held" by their parents and (2) follow up on those kids to learn their college GPAs.

I don't know any teacher who's ever done that. Certainly none of my kids' teachers have any idea how any of them did in college.

This is just another example of someone talking out her a$$ because it's the way she wants the world to be.

Look in the mirror, Ms. This Can’t Possibly Be True

That poster could easily prove my wrong by detailing how she came to the conclusion that she did, especially as a "former" teacher. How did she figure out who was hand held, how did she track their college progress/success, and how many students qualify as "a lot?"

She's not offering an opinion. She's claiming it's a fact. Back it up.

She doesn’t have to back up her personal experience with facts. And let’s be honest - you wouldn’t believe a word she said anyway.

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ODU. Loved my experience there! Study Abroad and live close to the beach!

NP, YES, the beach. Thats what i have been trying to sell to my kid!! Convinced that she "must" go out of state.

If she's in the ODU range, tell her she hasn't earned the opportunity yo go outvof state.

Good gravy. You are a nasty piece of work.

ODU has a lot to offer and it’s sad that people continue to have such a lousy attitude about it.

I took what the PPs were saying to be more along the lines of saying their DCs aren’t necessarily mature and/or hard working enough for the parent to be willing to financially support them going way out of state.

But I can see where it would also be construed as shitting on ODU

It was the former. From the start, we've told our 4.05 wgpa/no EC's kid that in-state schools were what we could afford.

If she were straight A's and a million EC's, maybe we'd bend and look at expensive out of state schools that are better than any of the in-state publics.

But she's a very good but not incredible student, so we're not. If she were a C student, no way in h-e-double hockey sticks would we send her out of state and pay full pay out of state costs.

I agree. If my kid could barely get Cs in HS, I would think the best path might just be to start at CC and live at home. Because Cs in HS is an indication of lack of maturity/self direction and other skills that are needed to be successful at a 4 year college. So I wouldn't spend $$$$ or want my kid to be too far away until I am certain it's worth it.

Nothing wrong with Cs in HS, but in reality, it is not difficult to get a 3.0+ in HS. And if it is, then a 4 year college would likely overwhelm your kid and do nothin for their self esteem. They would be much better served at a CC and possibly with a job and just taking courses part time while they mature and decide what they want to get out of college. Because CC will be much harder than HS, and the profs except your kid to do the work, turn it in on time, show up for exams, etc. There is no hand holding.

I let my child apply to some schools to see if she had a shot anywhere. She has 2 acceptances right now. But her current senior year grades aren't showing me she is ready for us to spend $30K+/year. So, in my mind, we are down to Randolph (which should actually come in closer to $20K/year and the Take2 system for classes) vs staying home and going to community college. If she heads to Randolph, we will know pretty quickly whether or not the pros we see there actually are working in her favor as she will be taking 2 classes at a time almost like a quarter system - We will have grades halfway through a normal semester.

We have not heard from Radford yet, but my assumption is that they will offer her a spot with the Bridges program where she will take community college classes but live on campus.

She wants a clean slate and some independence. I think there might be a happy medium. We shall see where we land in a few months.

[Anonymous]

Former teacher here. I now work in higher education and witness previously A students either get Cs or worse, and either enroll in the easiest major on campus or drop out completely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former high school teacher, I know of a lot of A students in high school who were hand-held by parents and ended up doing quite poorly in college.

This doesn’t surprise me at all.

See, I find this odd AF. To "know" this, the teacher needs to (1) figure out which kids in high school are "hand held" by their parents and (2) follow up on those kids to learn their college GPAs.

I don't know any teacher who's ever done that. Certainly none of my kids' teachers have any idea how any of them did in college.

This is just another example of someone talking out her a$$ because it's the way she wants the world to be.

Trust me, we know. All teachers can tell exactly which parents are helicopter parents.

Also, the fact that none of your kids' teachers kept up with them is not something I'd brag about. It means they were forgettable and didn't make an impression on any of their teachers. I have followed the academic careers and subsequent careers of many former students. I have connected former students with friends and colleagues in their interested fields for internships.

I allow former students to follow me on social media after graduation. This is how we see what's up and keep up with them.

I never said my kids' teachers never kept up with them after graduation. They did. They didn't ask to see their college transcripts though. How many of your former students who follow you on social media post their GPAs on your facebook page?

You're full of shit. You may know of former students who did very well in college, and you may also know of kids who dropped out of college for whatever reason. That's all you know. It's impossible to know the rest without come serious stalking on your part going on -- in which case, yea, I sure would hope that my kids were "forgettable" to a "former" teacher like you, because that's creepy stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Former teacher here. I now work in higher education and witness previously A students either get Cs or worse, and either enroll in the easiest major on campus or drop out completely.

And? Do you go back and try to determine which of them had helicopter parents in high school? How do you do that? Do you interview them?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a former high school teacher, I know of a lot of A students in high school who were hand-held by parents and ended up doing quite poorly in college.

This doesn’t surprise me at all.

See, I find this odd AF. To "know" this, the teacher needs to (1) figure out which kids in high school are "hand held" by their parents and (2) follow up on those kids to learn their college GPAs.

I don't know any teacher who's ever done that. Certainly none of my kids' teachers have any idea how any of them did in college.

This is just another example of someone talking out her a$$ because it's the way she wants the world to be.

Look in the mirror, Ms. This Can’t Possibly Be True

That poster could easily prove my wrong by detailing how she came to the conclusion that she did, especially as a "former" teacher. How did she figure out who was hand held, how did she track their college progress/success, and how many students qualify as "a lot?"

She's not offering an opinion. She's claiming it's a fact. Back it up.

She doesn’t have to back up her personal experience with facts. And let’s be honest - you wouldn’t believe a word she said anyway.

The issue is that she offers that "personal experience" as somehow meaning something more than that because she's a "former" teacher (love that it's "former" by the way).

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Haven’t read through every response to see if these have been mentioned.
1. University of Hartford (merit likely)
2. Mercyhurst (merit likely)
3. Susquehanna
4. Marshall
5. Ohio University

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a 3.0 is not a c student

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read through every response to see if these have been mentioned.
1. University of Hartford (merit likely)
2. Mercyhurst (merit likely)
3. Susquehanna
4. Marshall
5. Ohio University

Mercyhurst and Marshall are pretty well known for their support services for students with disabilities/differences

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Anonymous wrote:
ODU. Loved my experience there! Study Abroad and live close to the beach!

NP, YES, the beach. Thats what i have been trying to sell to my kid!! Convinced that she "must" go out of state.

If she's in the ODU range, tell her she hasn't earned the opportunity yo go outvof state.

Good gravy. You are a nasty piece of work.

ODU has a lot to offer and it’s sad that people continue to have such a lousy attitude about it.

I took what the PPs were saying to be more along the lines of saying their DCs aren’t necessarily mature and/or hard working enough for the parent to be willing to financially support them going way out of state.

But I can see where it would also be construed as shitting on ODU

It was the former. From the start, we've told our 4.05 wgpa/no EC's kid that in-state schools were what we could afford.

If she were straight A's and a million EC's, maybe we'd bend and look at expensive out of state schools that are better than any of the in-state publics.

But she's a very good but not incredible student, so we're not. If she were a C student, no way in h-e-double hockey sticks would we send her out of state and pay full pay out of state costs.

I agree. If my kid could barely get Cs in HS, I would think the best path might just be to start at CC and live at home. Because Cs in HS is an indication of lack of maturity/self direction and other skills that are needed to be successful at a 4 year college. So I wouldn't spend $$$$ or want my kid to be too far away until I am certain it's worth it.

Nothing wrong with Cs in HS, but in reality, it is not difficult to get a 3.0+ in HS. And if it is, then a 4 year college would likely overwhelm your kid and do nothin for their self esteem. They would be much better served at a CC and possibly with a job and just taking courses part time while they mature and decide what they want to get out of college. Because CC will be much harder than HS, and the profs except your kid to do the work, turn it in on time, show up for exams, etc. There is no hand holding.

I let my child apply to some schools to see if she had a shot anywhere. She has 2 acceptances right now. But her current senior year grades aren't showing me she is ready for us to spend $30K+/year. So, in my mind, we are down to Randolph (which should actually come in closer to $20K/year and the Take2 system for classes) vs staying home and going to community college. If she heads to Randolph, we will know pretty quickly whether or not the pros we see there actually are working in her favor as she will be taking 2 classes at a time almost like a quarter system - We will have grades halfway through a normal semester.

We have not heard from Radford yet, but my assumption is that they will offer her a spot with the Bridges program where she will take community college classes but live on campus.

She wants a clean slate and some independence. I think there might be a happy medium. We shall see where we land in a few months.

All excellent choices. Only you know your daughter, but if she really wants "some indepence" then the take2 or bridges and living away from home might be the motivator. And as you stated, if she's not doing well, you will know soon enough and can bring her back for CC.

You want your kid to succeed, and those programs sound like they will provide the assistance and guidance to help make it happen (along with your daughters hard work). Which IMO is much better than just throwing her into a normal 4 year situation, even at a school that accepts her. If you want her to actually finish 4 year degree, you need to ensure self esteem remains high and avoid outright failures. Because statistically, most kids who flunk out of a 4 year school in first year simply don't go back---they get frustrated and sidetracked and don't want to do school again. So easing into it is a great program.

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Anonymous wrote:a 3.0 is not a c student

Yes, if they are truly a C student, the GPA would be 2.0.

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Anonymous wrote:Former teacher here. I now work in higher education and witness previously A students either get Cs or worse, and either enroll in the easiest major on campus or drop out completely.

What is the easiest major? My kid is a C student who is undecided. This would be helpful. Thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
ODU. Loved my experience there! Study Abroad and live close to the beach!

NP, YES, the beach. Thats what i have been trying to sell to my kid!! Convinced that she "must" go out of state.

If she's in the ODU range, tell her she hasn't earned the opportunity yo go outvof state.

Good gravy. You are a nasty piece of work.

ODU has a lot to offer and it’s sad that people continue to have such a lousy attitude about it.

I took what the PPs were saying to be more along the lines of saying their DCs aren’t necessarily mature and/or hard working enough for the parent to be willing to financially support them going way out of state.

But I can see where it would also be construed as shitting on ODU

It was the former. From the start, we've told our 4.05 wgpa/no EC's kid that in-state schools were what we could afford.

If she were straight A's and a million EC's, maybe we'd bend and look at expensive out of state schools that are better than any of the in-state publics.

But she's a very good but not incredible student, so we're not. If she were a C student, no way in h-e-double hockey sticks would we send her out of state and pay full pay out of state costs.

I agree. If my kid could barely get Cs in HS, I would think the best path might just be to start at CC and live at home. Because Cs in HS is an indication of lack of maturity/self direction and other skills that are needed to be successful at a 4 year college. So I wouldn't spend $$$$ or want my kid to be too far away until I am certain it's worth it.

Nothing wrong with Cs in HS, but in reality, it is not difficult to get a 3.0+ in HS. And if it is, then a 4 year college would likely overwhelm your kid and do nothin for their self esteem. They would be much better served at a CC and possibly with a job and just taking courses part time while they mature and decide what they want to get out of college. Because CC will be much harder than HS, and the profs except your kid to do the work, turn it in on time, show up for exams, etc. There is no hand holding.

I let my child apply to some schools to see if she had a shot anywhere. She has 2 acceptances right now. But her current senior year grades aren't showing me she is ready for us to spend $30K+/year. So, in my mind, we are down to Randolph (which should actually come in closer to $20K/year and the Take2 system for classes) vs staying home and going to community college. If she heads to Randolph, we will know pretty quickly whether or not the pros we see there actually are working in her favor as she will be taking 2 classes at a time almost like a quarter system - We will have grades halfway through a normal semester.

We have not heard from Radford yet, but my assumption is that they will offer her a spot with the Bridges program where she will take community college classes but live on campus.

She wants a clean slate and some independence. I think there might be a happy medium. We shall see where we land in a few months.

All excellent choices. Only you know your daughter, but if she really wants "some indepence" then the take2 or bridges and living away from home might be the motivator. And as you stated, if she's not doing well, you will know soon enough and can bring her back for CC.

You want your kid to succeed, and those programs sound like they will provide the assistance and guidance to help make it happen (along with your daughters hard work). Which IMO is much better than just throwing her into a normal 4 year situation, even at a school that accepts her. If you want her to actually finish 4 year degree, you need to ensure self esteem remains high and avoid outright failures. Because statistically, most kids who flunk out of a 4 year school in first year simply don't go back---they get frustrated and sidetracked and don't want to do school again. So easing into it is a great program.

Thank you for your kind response. It has been a constant struggle since she was in elementary school. I feel like she puts roadblocks in her own way a lot. She has ADHD, but she is also lazy and resistant to help. We have tried to give her tools to help her and she doesn't always use them. We are trying to let her have options here. She's not dumb - she is capable of better grades than she has gotten.

This next year will be pretty definitive, as you can tell. She has to graduate with no grades lower than C (it was a condition in her acceptance letter) - first hurdle. We should have a pretty good idea in May when the big choice has to be made (4 year vs CC) - second hurdle. If she does go to a 4 year, she has to do decently - third hurdle. By the close of 2024, her path will be much more clear.

FWIW, one of her areas of interest has a certification that is only done at a cc level. She will have options - it just may not be the 4 year degree path that most of us think of as the "easy way"