Penn President resigns

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Its painfully obvious that all three of these presidents are diversity hires.

You are a disgusting bigot.

Oh please. Get over yourself. Six of the eight Ivies have- or had until yesterday- female presidents. You think that is simply a coincidence? The cream has risen to the top?

Obviously not.

Really gross how posters now think straight up sexism and racism is ok

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:stupid lib cancel culture

Conservative cancel culture is way worse as it has no moral compass. Not a surprise given the self serving nature of the right.

Lib cancel culture is not based on morality but on the primitive principle “friend good, enemy bad”. Don’t get mad when the conservatives imitate this.

This is not a liberal vs conservative issue.

Conservatives invented “cancel culture” anyway

the most striking thing about this thread is the massive number of far right posters there are on this website and their inability to make cogent or compelling arguenent

Are you sure you know what a cogent argument is? Leftist arguments are almost always a bunch of generalities, such as “will destroy the democracy” & “out-of-control fascists.” If you had specifics you would use them.

Characterizing the Israelis’ actions as “genocide” without giving specific examples of attempts to kill an entire group is yet another sweeping generality that is meant to spark outrage in the uninformed mob.

I am curious if you understand that whenever you use words like “leftist” or “woke” you are immediately disregarded as a non-serious person? By everyone except whatever fringe bubble in which you have normalized this weird nomenclature?

If you want to be persuasive, maybe try using mainstream language, not vocabulary that immediately tags you as a radical, America-hating right-wing nutter.

DP but I vehemently disagree. The woke leftists (and they (you) exist) are the ones occupying the America-hating bubble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its painfully obvious that all three of these presidents are diversity hires.

You are a disgusting bigot.

Oh please. Get over yourself. Six of the eight Ivies have- or had until yesterday- female presidents. You think that is simply a coincidence? The cream has risen to the top?

Obviously not.

Really gross how posters now think straight up sexism and racism is ok

But their concern trolling about antisemitism…

Considering their people marched around Charlottesville a couple years ago chanting “Jews will not replace us”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its painfully obvious that all three of these presidents are diversity hires.

You are a disgusting bigot.

Oh please. Get over yourself. Six of the eight Ivies have- or had until yesterday- female presidents. You think that is simply a coincidence? The cream has risen to the top?

Obviously not.

Really gross how posters now think straight up sexism and racism is ok

“Really gross” how supposed adults are so wrapped up in their agendas of personal victimhood that they can’t see the forest for the trees.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think Jewish people should be very careful about teaming up with the extreme right.
I worry that this will not end well

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If the universities had a history of fiercely supporting free speech, Magill would still have her job. But they have a history of fiercely suppressing free speech except when that free speech is antisemitic, and that is the insurmountable problem for Magill.

+10000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Jewish people should be very careful about teaming up with the extreme right.
I worry that this will not end well

+1

The right wing is incredibly antisemitic.

They just hate Arabs more.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Live by the sword, die by the sword. She and her fellow presidents have been disciplining and harassing students for years who didn’t sufficiently embrace their political monoculture. When you create an environment where all thought is tightly policed, eventually the thought police will come for you too.

+10000. It’s starting to seem surreal to me the amount of resources spent controlling speech on *elite college campuses*!!

I do think it’s pretty funny to watch all these progressives suddenly find that actually maybe they support free speech. But only for causes they like, of course. Def ok to call for the extermination of Jews — free speech! — but saying men can’t become women is apparently literal genocide. 🙄

Both sides act hypocritical IMHO.

Not to defend anyone in particulars, but I thought conservatives were all First Amendment absolutists who didn’t want universities to ban racist, homophobic, and transphobic speech?

And, yes, I agree that a call for genocide of any group of people would create a hostile environment for students. All students, Jewish and Muslim included, are entitled to a safe environment. Just as both Israelis and Palestinians deserve freedom and safety.

[Anonymous]

Remember that the Charlie Kirks and Trumps of the world are closely aligned with these people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-f...cists-go-after-jews/

Spare me their concern trolling about antisemitism on campuses

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Its painfully obvious that all three of these presidents are diversity hires.

You are a disgusting bigot.

Oh please. Get over yourself. Six of the eight Ivies have- or had until yesterday- female presidents. You think that is simply a coincidence? The cream has risen to the top?

Obviously not.

Really gross how posters now think straight up sexism and racism is ok

But their concern trolling about antisemitism…

Considering their people marched around Charlottesville a couple years ago chanting “Jews will not replace us”

Concern trolling!? The lawsuit against Penn alleges among other things that students were called “dirty Jew” on their way to class.

There is authentic concern about campus atmosphere here which is why the presidents were called in for a hearing in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Live by the sword, die by the sword. She and her fellow presidents have been disciplining and harassing students for years who didn’t sufficiently embrace their political monoculture. When you create an environment where all thought is tightly policed, eventually the thought police will come for you too.

+10000. It’s starting to seem surreal to me the amount of resources spent controlling speech on *elite college campuses*!!

I do think it’s pretty funny to watch all these progressives suddenly find that actually maybe they support free speech. But only for causes they like, of course. Def ok to call for the extermination of Jews — free speech! — but saying men can’t become women is apparently literal genocide. 🙄

Both sides act hypocritical IMHO.

Not to defend anyone in particulars, but I thought conservatives were all First Amendment absolutists who didn’t want universities to ban racist, homophobic, and transphobic speech?

And, yes, I agree that a call for genocide of any group of people would create a hostile environment for students. All students, Jewish and Muslim included, are entitled to a safe environment. Just as both Israelis and Palestinians deserve freedom and safety.

Nice both-sidesism. If you think of these groups' safety in vacuums, that is a problem. It isn’t a matter if "both" it is a matter of forming a global or in this case local (to this part of the Middle East) society that is safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Remember that the Charlie Kirks and Trumps of the world are closely aligned with these people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-f...cists-go-after-jews/

Spare me their concern trolling about antisemitism on campuses

Shouting out “but but Trump” isn’t going to fly here. People are justifiably upset by the behavior of these presidents under Stephanik’s questioning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Live by the sword, die by the sword. She and her fellow presidents have been disciplining and harassing students for years who didn’t sufficiently embrace their political monoculture. When you create an environment where all thought is tightly policed, eventually the thought police will come for you too.

+10000. It’s starting to seem surreal to me the amount of resources spent controlling speech on *elite college campuses*!!

I do think it’s pretty funny to watch all these progressives suddenly find that actually maybe they support free speech. But only for causes they like, of course. Def ok to call for the extermination of Jews — free speech! — but saying men can’t become women is apparently literal genocide. 🙄

Both sides act hypocritical IMHO.

Not to defend anyone in particulars, but I thought conservatives were all First Amendment absolutists who didn’t want universities to ban racist, homophobic, and transphobic speech?

And, yes, I agree that a call for genocide of any group of people would create a hostile environment for students. All students, Jewish and Muslim included, are entitled to a safe environment. Just as both Israelis and Palestinians deserve freedom and safety.

Calls for genocide are an incitement to violence that is not covered by the first amendment, not to mention these universities are private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Live by the sword, die by the sword. She and her fellow presidents have been disciplining and harassing students for years who didn’t sufficiently embrace their political monoculture. When you create an environment where all thought is tightly policed, eventually the thought police will come for you too.

+10000. It’s starting to seem surreal to me the amount of resources spent controlling speech on *elite college campuses*!!

I do think it’s pretty funny to watch all these progressives suddenly find that actually maybe they support free speech. But only for causes they like, of course. Def ok to call for the extermination of Jews — free speech! — but saying men can’t become women is apparently literal genocide. 🙄

Both sides act hypocritical IMHO.

Not to defend anyone in particulars, but I thought conservatives were all First Amendment absolutists who didn’t want universities to ban racist, homophobic, and transphobic speech?

And, yes, I agree that a call for genocide of any group of people would create a hostile environment for students. All students, Jewish and Muslim included, are entitled to a safe environment. Just as both Israelis and Palestinians deserve freedom and safety.

I think the issue is the hypocrisy. You can do one of two things: you can allow speech that some may consider transphobic, racist, homophobic, fatphobic etc., providing that students are also allowed to say things that some people may feel is antisemitic. Or you can go the opposite direction and strictly police language that is considered transphobic, racist, etc, so long as you also police antisemitic language. Universities can take either position, and reasonably do so, provided they are consistent. What they can’t do without the dam eventually breaking is selectively enforce the rules, but that’s what has been happening. And now the dam is breaking.

Penn is the school that (allegedly) threatened to revoke the scholarships of women swimmers who raised issues of sexual harassment from Lia Thomas, but that also takes the position that inviting Roger Waters to speak at a campus event should be permitted. This is grossly inconsistent conduct. That’s the problem facing Penn and other universities: they are selectively enforcing their own rules and severely punishing students inconsistently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Remember that the Charlie Kirks and Trumps of the world are closely aligned with these people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-f...cists-go-after-jews/

Spare me their concern trolling about antisemitism on campuses

Shouting out “but but Trump” isn’t going to fly here. People are justifiably upset by the behavior of these presidents under Stephanik’s questioning.

Try spelling her name correctly.

A few people are but they aren’t actually motivated by concern about antisemitism— they want to stick it to elite universities. Her questions took the tone of “when did you stop beating your wife” and wasn’t asked in good faith in a way to get a good faith response. They didn’t respond effectively in one exchange during a 5-hour hearing that should not have been held in the first place.

Right wingers by and large are extremely antisemitic so this whole weird conversation is very surreal.

In other words, spare us your false outrage.