More skills based grading at madison hs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now you are calling people that don't like SBG "racists." Of course, that's one way to scare people and get them to shut up. Here is the student rep giving a speech about the impact of SBG on students earlier this fall.

https://twitter.com/FFXParentsAssoc/status/1697425072489734469

It is the middle and lower income kids who really suffer when they are put at a disadvantage in college admissions. I’d really like to see the impact on GPAs for kids at every level (not just those who were struggling, but also kids in honors and AP classes.). If those haven’t changed, I would be more supportive. But I have yet to see those released to parents and until I do, I’m going to assume SBG is performing as intended, with lower GPAs for top students and higher GPAs for struggling students.

Yes, FCPS needs to show the data, I would also support a model that helps struggling kids, but not if it artificially brings down grades for high performing students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now you are calling people that don't like SBG "racists." Of course, that's one way to scare people and get them to shut up. Here is the student rep giving a speech about the impact of SBG on students earlier this fall.

https://twitter.com/FFXParentsAssoc/status/1697425072489734469

It is the middle and lower income kids who really suffer when they are put at a disadvantage in college admissions. I’d really like to see the impact on GPAs for kids at every level (not just those who were struggling, but also kids in honors and AP classes.). If those haven’t changed, I would be more supportive. But I have yet to see those released to parents and until I do, I’m going to assume SBG is performing as intended, with lower GPAs for top students and higher GPAs for struggling students.

A low income but very motivated student has an edge with admissions bc low income is a hook and the schools want this.

A motivated middle to upper class kid is disadvantaged in admissions bc they are a dime a dozen.

SBG and equity grading 100% hurts all kids at the top and this trickles down to everyone until about the C level and then it begins to help those kids downward to the bottom of the pack. It’s a terrible thing to put upon a few schools in a high achieving school district and geographic area like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So now you are calling people that don't like SBG "racists." Of course, that's one way to scare people and get them to shut up. Here is the student rep giving a speech about the impact of SBG on students earlier this fall.

https://twitter.com/FFXParentsAssoc/status/1697425072489734469

Excellent speech by the SB student rep. She quotes students from Annandale high school so looks like SBG is there too but sounds like it’s implemented differently in that 90% of grades are assessments. She said the grading system is in the name of equity and that FCPS should have a consistent evidence-based grading policy for all schools. Students describe feeling unmotivated and discouraged….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So now you are calling people that don't like SBG "racists." Of course, that's one way to scare people and get them to shut up. Here is the student rep giving a speech about the impact of SBG on students earlier this fall.

https://twitter.com/FFXParentsAssoc/status/1697425072489734469

No, because SBG <> “equity grading”.

The people freaking out about everything “equity” are showing us exactly who they are.

[Anonymous]

The student SB rep is not white. She called it equity grading and she quotes Annandale high school students.

[Anonymous]

I don’t care if SBG is an equity initiative or not. I think it’s an erosion of academics because it so often leads to frustrated and unmotivated students that ultimately do less and don’t try as hard.

This is the way it is described by students across the country where SBG is used in schools. I’m happy to post links to those articles. In some places, school systems are now reversing and getting rid of SBG.

[Anonymous]

Does the person who is having a fit when people equate SBG to equity grading even have a JMHS student?

[Anonymous]

I'm looking at my child SiS for Geometry Honors. Just in the 2nd quarter (which started mid October so the last 6-7 weeks), as of today, I see 3 tests (100 points each), 2 quizzes (50 points each), 2 "common assessments" (30 points each), one quizizz (12 points), 7 homeworks graded for completion (7x4 pts), 10 homeworks graded for correctness (10x6 pts). There are EC opportunities when submitting test corrections (25% of points missed), and there was one extra problem (3 pts) on one of the assessments. To get an A, your overall number of points must be 90% on these graded works. You cannot not finish your test on time, you cannot skip homework, you cannot retake tests or quizzes. If you don't show your work on a homework problem that's graded for correctness, you lose a point.

My child is working hard in this class, preparing for every test and doing their homework every day except on test/quiz days (40-45minutes). Their average is 99% and they are proud of what they are accomplishing.

If this grading scheme is replaced by anything that doesn't count every homework, test, quiz, or other assessment, then this would teach my child a valuable lesson: don't ever trust anything anybody who uses the word "equity" says.

In this sense, it would have a positive impact: for the hardworking students of today are tomorrow's voters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm looking at my child SiS for Geometry Honors. Just in the 2nd quarter (which started mid October so the last 6-7 weeks), as of today, I see 3 tests (100 points each), 2 quizzes (50 points each), 2 "common assessments" (30 points each), one quizizz (12 points), 7 homeworks graded for completion (7x4 pts), 10 homeworks graded for correctness (10x6 pts). There are EC opportunities when submitting test corrections (25% of points missed), and there was one extra problem (3 pts) on one of the assessments. To get an A, your overall number of points must be 90% on these graded works. You cannot not finish your test on time, you cannot skip homework, you cannot retake tests or quizzes. If you don't show your work on a homework problem that's graded for correctness, you lose a point.

My child is working hard in this class, preparing for every test and doing their homework every day except on test/quiz days (40-45minutes). Their average is 99% and they are proud of what they are accomplishing.

If this grading scheme is replaced by anything that doesn't count every homework, test, quiz, or other assessment, then this would teach my child a valuable lesson: don't ever trust anything anybody who uses the word "equity" says.

In this sense, it would have a positive impact: for the hardworking students of today are tomorrow's voters.

WTF? That’s so illogical.

p.s. your kid’s grade is basically only based on quizzes/tests already given the weighting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm looking at my child SiS for Geometry Honors. Just in the 2nd quarter (which started mid October so the last 6-7 weeks), as of today, I see 3 tests (100 points each), 2 quizzes (50 points each), 2 "common assessments" (30 points each), one quizizz (12 points), 7 homeworks graded for completion (7x4 pts), 10 homeworks graded for correctness (10x6 pts). There are EC opportunities when submitting test corrections (25% of points missed), and there was one extra problem (3 pts) on one of the assessments. To get an A, your overall number of points must be 90% on these graded works. You cannot not finish your test on time, you cannot skip homework, you cannot retake tests or quizzes. If you don't show your work on a homework problem that's graded for correctness, you lose a point.

My child is working hard in this class, preparing for every test and doing their homework every day except on test/quiz days (40-45minutes). Their average is 99% and they are proud of what they are accomplishing.

If this grading scheme is replaced by anything that doesn't count every homework, test, quiz, or other assessment, then this would teach my child a valuable lesson: don't ever trust anything anybody who uses the word "equity" says.

In this sense, it would have a positive impact: for the hardworking students of today are tomorrow's voters.

WTF? That’s so illogical.

p.s. your kid’s grade is basically only based on quizzes/tests already given the weighting.

Let's do the math. There are 300+100+60+12+28+60 = 560 points given. Of these, 28+60 = 88 are for homework, which is 15.7%. On a standard scale, that's 1.5 letter grades.
For instance, a child who would blow off their homework couldn't get higher than a B (84.3%).

So children have choices: hardworking children can do their homework and they get rewarded with an A or B grade if they also do well on tests/quizzes. Equity-focused children perhaps don't do their homework and their grade is capped at B/C. It's a just and proven system. Let's keep it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm looking at my child SiS for Geometry Honors. Just in the 2nd quarter (which started mid October so the last 6-7 weeks), as of today, I see 3 tests (100 points each), 2 quizzes (50 points each), 2 "common assessments" (30 points each), one quizizz (12 points), 7 homeworks graded for completion (7x4 pts), 10 homeworks graded for correctness (10x6 pts). There are EC opportunities when submitting test corrections (25% of points missed), and there was one extra problem (3 pts) on one of the assessments. To get an A, your overall number of points must be 90% on these graded works. You cannot not finish your test on time, you cannot skip homework, you cannot retake tests or quizzes. If you don't show your work on a homework problem that's graded for correctness, you lose a point.

My child is working hard in this class, preparing for every test and doing their homework every day except on test/quiz days (40-45minutes). Their average is 99% and they are proud of what they are accomplishing.

If this grading scheme is replaced by anything that doesn't count every homework, test, quiz, or other assessment, then this would teach my child a valuable lesson: don't ever trust anything anybody who uses the word "equity" says.

In this sense, it would have a positive impact: for the hardworking students of today are tomorrow's voters.

WTF? That’s so illogical.

p.s. your kid’s grade is basically only based on quizzes/tests already given the weighting.

Let's do the math. There are 300+100+60+12+28+60 = 560 points given. Of these, 28+60 = 88 are for homework, which is 15.7%. On a standard scale, that's 1.5 letter grades.
For instance, a child who would blow off their homework couldn't get higher than a B (84.3%).

So children have choices: hardworking children can do their homework and they get rewarded with an A or B grade if they also do well on tests/quizzes. Equity-focused children perhaps don't do their homework and their grade is capped at B/C. It's a just and proven system. Let's keep it.

“Equity focused children”?

WTF is wrong with you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm looking at my child SiS for Geometry Honors. Just in the 2nd quarter (which started mid October so the last 6-7 weeks), as of today, I see 3 tests (100 points each), 2 quizzes (50 points each), 2 "common assessments" (30 points each), one quizizz (12 points), 7 homeworks graded for completion (7x4 pts), 10 homeworks graded for correctness (10x6 pts). There are EC opportunities when submitting test corrections (25% of points missed), and there was one extra problem (3 pts) on one of the assessments. To get an A, your overall number of points must be 90% on these graded works. You cannot not finish your test on time, you cannot skip homework, you cannot retake tests or quizzes. If you don't show your work on a homework problem that's graded for correctness, you lose a point.

My child is working hard in this class, preparing for every test and doing their homework every day except on test/quiz days (40-45minutes). Their average is 99% and they are proud of what they are accomplishing.

If this grading scheme is replaced by anything that doesn't count every homework, test, quiz, or other assessment, then this would teach my child a valuable lesson: don't ever trust anything anybody who uses the word "equity" says.

In this sense, it would have a positive impact: for the hardworking students of today are tomorrow's voters.

WTF? That’s so illogical.

p.s. your kid’s grade is basically only based on quizzes/tests already given the weighting.

Let's do the math. There are 300+100+60+12+28+60 = 560 points given. Of these, 28+60 = 88 are for homework, which is 15.7%. On a standard scale, that's 1.5 letter grades.
For instance, a child who would blow off their homework couldn't get higher than a B (84.3%).

So children have choices: hardworking children can do their homework and they get rewarded with an A or B grade if they also do well on tests/quizzes. Equity-focused children perhaps don't do their homework and their grade is capped at B/C. It's a just and proven system. Let's keep it.

That teacher needs to have a discussion with admin. FCPS policy is that homework cannot be more than 10% of the grade. "Homework for practice or preparation for instruction may account for no more than 10 percent of a quarter grade."

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/grading-and-reporting/secondary/homework-and-makeup-work

Those kids are getting an effort boost without actually demonstrating independent knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm looking at my child SiS for Geometry Honors. Just in the 2nd quarter (which started mid October so the last 6-7 weeks), as of today, I see 3 tests (100 points each), 2 quizzes (50 points each), 2 "common assessments" (30 points each), one quizizz (12 points), 7 homeworks graded for completion (7x4 pts), 10 homeworks graded for correctness (10x6 pts). There are EC opportunities when submitting test corrections (25% of points missed), and there was one extra problem (3 pts) on one of the assessments. To get an A, your overall number of points must be 90% on these graded works. You cannot not finish your test on time, you cannot skip homework, you cannot retake tests or quizzes. If you don't show your work on a homework problem that's graded for correctness, you lose a point.

My child is working hard in this class, preparing for every test and doing their homework every day except on test/quiz days (40-45minutes). Their average is 99% and they are proud of what they are accomplishing.

If this grading scheme is replaced by anything that doesn't count every homework, test, quiz, or other assessment, then this would teach my child a valuable lesson: don't ever trust anything anybody who uses the word "equity" says.

In this sense, it would have a positive impact: for the hardworking students of today are tomorrow's voters.

WTF? That’s so illogical.

p.s. your kid’s grade is basically only based on quizzes/tests already given the weighting.

At a SBG school, those quizzes don’t count.

- parent of kids at a FCPS SBG school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm looking at my child SiS for Geometry Honors. Just in the 2nd quarter (which started mid October so the last 6-7 weeks), as of today, I see 3 tests (100 points each), 2 quizzes (50 points each), 2 "common assessments" (30 points each), one quizizz (12 points), 7 homeworks graded for completion (7x4 pts), 10 homeworks graded for correctness (10x6 pts). There are EC opportunities when submitting test corrections (25% of points missed), and there was one extra problem (3 pts) on one of the assessments. To get an A, your overall number of points must be 90% on these graded works. You cannot not finish your test on time, you cannot skip homework, you cannot retake tests or quizzes. If you don't show your work on a homework problem that's graded for correctness, you lose a point.

My child is working hard in this class, preparing for every test and doing their homework every day except on test/quiz days (40-45minutes). Their average is 99% and they are proud of what they are accomplishing.

If this grading scheme is replaced by anything that doesn't count every homework, test, quiz, or other assessment, then this would teach my child a valuable lesson: don't ever trust anything anybody who uses the word "equity" says.

In this sense, it would have a positive impact: for the hardworking students of today are tomorrow's voters.

WTF? That’s so illogical.

p.s. your kid’s grade is basically only based on quizzes/tests already given the weighting.

Let's do the math. There are 300+100+60+12+28+60 = 560 points given. Of these, 28+60 = 88 are for homework, which is 15.7%. On a standard scale, that's 1.5 letter grades.
For instance, a child who would blow off their homework couldn't get higher than a B (84.3%).

So children have choices: hardworking children can do their homework and they get rewarded with an A or B grade if they also do well on tests/quizzes. Equity-focused children perhaps don't do their homework and their grade is capped at B/C. It's a just and proven system. Let's keep it.

That teacher needs to have a discussion with admin. FCPS policy is that homework cannot be more than 10% of the grade. "Homework for practice or preparation for instruction may account for no more than 10 percent of a quarter grade."

https://www.fcps.edu/academics/grading-and-reporting/secondary/homework-and-makeup-work

Those kids are getting an effort boost without actually demonstrating independent knowledge.

Thats just so far in this quarter. There is a lot of time left where this may not be an issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So now you are calling people that don't like SBG "racists." Of course, that's one way to scare people and get them to shut up. Here is the student rep giving a speech about the impact of SBG on students earlier this fall.

https://twitter.com/FFXParentsAssoc/status/1697425072489734469

It is the middle and lower income kids who really suffer when they are put at a disadvantage in college admissions. I’d really like to see the impact on GPAs for kids at every level (not just those who were struggling, but also kids in honors and AP classes.). If those haven’t changed, I would be more supportive. But I have yet to see those released to parents and until I do, I’m going to assume SBG is performing as intended, with lower GPAs for top students and higher GPAs for struggling students.

Yes, FCPS needs to show the data, I would also support a model that helps struggling kids, but not if it artificially brings down grades for high performing students.

SBG doesn’t “artificially bring down grades for high performing kids”. ??