HYPSM/Elite School Alums - What has been the downside of your degree?

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Anonymous wrote:People with hiring power aren’t keen on hiring job applicants from schools that rejected their child.

More so if kid was discriminated against because of race or class, which is a common and proven historic practice at ivy institutions.

Historically, blacks, jews, Asians have been discriminated against because Ivies like to do social engineering.

AND women. They weren't allowed for long time.

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Anonymous wrote:HYP grad here. I almost always reject HYP grads when they apply to my company - we tend to hire 1-3 years out of undergrad and that cadre from HYP tend to expect much higher comp and more comp increases along the way. In short, they are more of an HR pain in the arse.

Our best hires always are the striving kids, top 10-20% of their classes from T60-T300 schools.

Yes I realize the irony of this....entirely

So you discriminate. Nice.

College name is not a protected class.

Sure, I'm not talking legally--more on an ethical basis. You've got a lot of biases in my opinion--I think it's better to treat people as individuals and judge them on their own merits not my own personal biased history.

Who said this person chucked the application before interviewing them and discovering they were not a good fit? They said that almost all HYP applicants get rejected - not that they were never considered.

They said it was on the basis that they think they would be an "HR pain in the ass" which is not knowable from an interview. You don't even know comp requests unless you offer the position. So they are likely basing in on bias.

Have you interviewed people? There are absolutely people you can tell right off that have expectations that are out of line with a starting position. This is common among entitled applicants - millennials as a generation are notorious for this (even non-HYPSM).

Yes, I have. But I also think OP is operating with a huge bias that gives them that "feeling."

Everyone has biases. It's just more common to have a bias that the elite-brand school is an indication that someone would be a great employee.

My dad would not hire Ivy grads after having too many bad experiences with grads both professionally and socially (this was a long time ago).

I've hired a lot of interns and new grads over my career from all kinds of schools. I have learned to probe more on attitude from Ivy students after an early-career experience where an entry level person I supervised actually refused to do some of the standard grunt work because she went to Princeton and so shouldn't have to do that kind of work. Literally said that to my face.

I don't rule out Ivy students across the board - I have Ivy coworkers and friends who are awesome. But have definitely run across the entitlement attitude more with these students/new grads than others.

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Anonymous wrote:HYP grad here. I almost always reject HYP grads when they apply to my company - we tend to hire 1-3 years out of undergrad and that cadre from HYP tend to expect much higher comp and more comp increases along the way. In short, they are more of an HR pain in the arse.

Our best hires always are the striving kids, top 10-20% of their classes from T60-T300 schools.

Yes I realize the irony of this....entirely

So you discriminate. Nice.

College name is not a protected class.

Sure, I'm not talking legally--more on an ethical basis. You've got a lot of biases in my opinion--I think it's better to treat people as individuals and judge them on their own merits not my own personal biased history.

Who said this person chucked the application before interviewing them and discovering they were not a good fit? They said that almost all HYP applicants get rejected - not that they were never considered.

They said it was on the basis that they think they would be an "HR pain in the ass" which is not knowable from an interview. You don't even know comp requests unless you offer the position. So they are likely basing in on bias.

Have you interviewed people? There are absolutely people you can tell right off that have expectations that are out of line with a starting position. This is common among entitled applicants - millennials as a generation are notorious for this (even non-HYPSM).

Yes, I have. But I also think OP is operating with a huge bias that gives them that "feeling."

Everyone has biases. It's just more common to have a bias that the elite-brand school is an indication that someone would be a great employee.

My dad would not hire Ivy grads after having too many bad experiences with grads both professionally and socially (this was a long time ago).

I've hired a lot of interns and new grads over my career from all kinds of schools. I have learned to probe more on attitude from Ivy students after an early-career experience where an entry level person I supervised actually refused to do some of the standard grunt work because she went to Princeton and so shouldn't have to do that kind of work. Literally said that to my face.

I don't rule out Ivy students across the board - I have Ivy coworkers and friends who are awesome. But have definitely run across the entitlement attitude more with these students/new grads than others.

I went to Princeton, never shied away from doing grunt work (in the sense of being very detail-oriented and not expecting someone else to take care of the small stuff), and if anything probably benefited from the fact that others may have been pleasantly surprised that I was willing to roll up my sleeves.

So YMMV. I’ve no doubt that my degree overall has been a net benefit professionally.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People with hiring power aren’t keen on hiring job applicants from schools that rejected their child.

More so if kid was discriminated against because of race or class, which is a common and proven historic practice at ivy institutions.

Historically, blacks, jews, Asians have been discriminated against because Ivies like to do social engineering.

AND women. They weren't allowed for long time.

Anybody else want to jump on the Victimtrain? I read somewhere that one of the most underrepresented groups at Ivies is white male protestants. So maybe Chad and Edwin want to hop aboard? There’s room for everybody.