Meeting invite for 8am meeting sent at 9pm the night before

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Anonymous wrote:I had this happen to me once at 11 pm for a 6 am call. Way pre-COVID. This is not a global team; everyone was on EST. The work did not require a 6 am called on 7 hrs’ notice. The guy calling the meeting was pissed about something and decided to do this as an FU to a bigger boss. I was 8 months pregnant and asleep when the meeting invite went out. But I was newer to my job, so checked in w/COS afterwards. She was gearing up to say that I should have looked at the phone between 11 am and 6 am and I just started laughing out loud.

I still work there! Dude who called the meeting does not.

Yeah I can do 8:00 am, but 6 am is a no go. Even if I saw the email, I would not attend a 6:00 am meeting with less than 24 hour notice/ email to explain why we have to take a call that early, unless it's a client on a different coast and the client had an urgent need

But an internal 6 am meeting with all attendees on my coast? Nope. Sends a message that I am available 24/7. Absolutely not.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

No OP missed the meeting because the request was sent outside work hours for a time their boss knows they’re not normally online yet due to the reasonable need to drop kid off at school. Don’t change anything you’re doing OP. Remind your boss that at 8 you’re dropping kid off at school and that you need X days notice to make other arrangements.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Yes, thought it's give and take OP.

Do you take 5 min. here or there out of your work day to check on something that is not essential to your job? (e.g., make a dr appt., take a quick call from spouse, friend, bring in a package from the front door). Think of checking your work email on your own time as that 5 min. kind of trade-off, if you are thinking work-life balance. I am not suggesting get on email and do assignments that arrive post work hours, but just a scan to catch something late, or maybe a colleague just needs a quick response to something they are in the midst of where you can add quick value. Just a thought.

Agree. Most pp’s here want to have professional jobs and make a commensurate salary, but want to be treated like hourly wage workers when it comes to work expectations. A professional has more control over their work schedule, but they are also never truly “off.”

It takes 5 minutes (or less) to check email at the end of the day and in the am to see if anything urgent popped up. If the meeting was scheduled too late to allow you to rework your schedule, it’s fine to reply to that effect, but just not being aware is not a good look.

And referring to people who make well into 6 figures as “slaves” because they’re expected to check e-mail more than 8 hours a day is offensive.

And there is the mentality people no longer buy. $160,000 is way, way too little money to never be off.

Being “off” means you can’t take 5 minutes to check your email at the end of the day to see what’s come up for tomorrow?” For someone making more than 3x the median wage? What people like you don’t get is that you need to work like you have the job you want. If you’re only doing the bare minimum with the job you have, I’m not giving you the opportunity for anything bigger. That only works in the government (and I have to wonder how many of the respondents here are government types).

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Yes, thought it's give and take OP.

Do you take 5 min. here or there out of your work day to check on something that is not essential to your job? (e.g., make a dr appt., take a quick call from spouse, friend, bring in a package from the front door). Think of checking your work email on your own time as that 5 min. kind of trade-off, if you are thinking work-life balance. I am not suggesting get on email and do assignments that arrive post work hours, but just a scan to catch something late, or maybe a colleague just needs a quick response to something they are in the midst of where you can add quick value. Just a thought.

Agree. Most pp’s here want to have professional jobs and make a commensurate salary, but want to be treated like hourly wage workers when it comes to work expectations. A professional has more control over their work schedule, but they are also never truly “off.”

It takes 5 minutes (or less) to check email at the end of the day and in the am to see if anything urgent popped up. If the meeting was scheduled too late to allow you to rework your schedule, it’s fine to reply to that effect, but just not being aware is not a good look.

And referring to people who make well into 6 figures as “slaves” because they’re expected to check e-mail more than 8 hours a day is offensive.

And there is the mentality people no longer buy. $160,000 is way, way too little money to never be off.

Being “off” means you can’t take 5 minutes to check your email at the end of the day to see what’s come up for tomorrow?” For someone making more than 3x the median wage? What people like you don’t get is that you need to work like you have the job you want. If you’re only doing the bare minimum with the job you have, I’m not giving you the opportunity for anything bigger. That only works in the government (and I have to wonder how many of the respondents here are government types).

Which end of the day do you mean? The end of the workday? She wouldn’t have seen the invite. The end of the parenting day, i.e when the kids go to bed? That’s 8:30 here, she wouldn’t have seen the email. The end of the day meaning midnight? That’s a pretty big ask of people to read email at midnight.

The problem here from a managers perspective is not the person who didn’t read her email at 9:01 pm. It’s the person who is so disorganized in their work that they sent an email at 9pm for a meeting the next day. That is the person I don’t promote.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Yes, thought it's give and take OP.

Do you take 5 min. here or there out of your work day to check on something that is not essential to your job? (e.g., make a dr appt., take a quick call from spouse, friend, bring in a package from the front door). Think of checking your work email on your own time as that 5 min. kind of trade-off, if you are thinking work-life balance. I am not suggesting get on email and do assignments that arrive post work hours, but just a scan to catch something late, or maybe a colleague just needs a quick response to something they are in the midst of where you can add quick value. Just a thought.

Agree. Most pp’s here want to have professional jobs and make a commensurate salary, but want to be treated like hourly wage workers when it comes to work expectations. A professional has more control over their work schedule, but they are also never truly “off.”

It takes 5 minutes (or less) to check email at the end of the day and in the am to see if anything urgent popped up. If the meeting was scheduled too late to allow you to rework your schedule, it’s fine to reply to that effect, but just not being aware is not a good look.

And referring to people who make well into 6 figures as “slaves” because they’re expected to check e-mail more than 8 hours a day is offensive.

And there is the mentality people no longer buy. $160,000 is way, way too little money to never be off.

Being “off” means you can’t take 5 minutes to check your email at the end of the day to see what’s come up for tomorrow?” For someone making more than 3x the median wage? What people like you don’t get is that you need to work like you have the job you want. If you’re only doing the bare minimum with the job you have, I’m not giving you the opportunity for anything bigger. That only works in the government (and I have to wonder how many of the respondents here are government types).

I thought the same thing. Have to wonder what responses would be like if this was SFUM or NYUM.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Yes, thought it's give and take OP.

Do you take 5 min. here or there out of your work day to check on something that is not essential to your job? (e.g., make a dr appt., take a quick call from spouse, friend, bring in a package from the front door). Think of checking your work email on your own time as that 5 min. kind of trade-off, if you are thinking work-life balance. I am not suggesting get on email and do assignments that arrive post work hours, but just a scan to catch something late, or maybe a colleague just needs a quick response to something they are in the midst of where you can add quick value. Just a thought.

Agree. Most pp’s here want to have professional jobs and make a commensurate salary, but want to be treated like hourly wage workers when it comes to work expectations. A professional has more control over their work schedule, but they are also never truly “off.”

It takes 5 minutes (or less) to check email at the end of the day and in the am to see if anything urgent popped up. If the meeting was scheduled too late to allow you to rework your schedule, it’s fine to reply to that effect, but just not being aware is not a good look.

And referring to people who make well into 6 figures as “slaves” because they’re expected to check e-mail more than 8 hours a day is offensive.

And there is the mentality people no longer buy. $160,000 is way, way too little money to never be off.

Being “off” means you can’t take 5 minutes to check your email at the end of the day to see what’s come up for tomorrow?” For someone making more than 3x the median wage? What people like you don’t get is that you need to work like you have the job you want. If you’re only doing the bare minimum with the job you have, I’m not giving you the opportunity for anything bigger. That only works in the government (and I have to wonder how many of the respondents here are government types).

I thought the same thing. Have to wonder what responses would be like if this was SFUM or NYUM.

Do you regularly check email past 9pm? Because that’s the situation here.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Yes, thought it's give and take OP.

Do you take 5 min. here or there out of your work day to check on something that is not essential to your job? (e.g., make a dr appt., take a quick call from spouse, friend, bring in a package from the front door). Think of checking your work email on your own time as that 5 min. kind of trade-off, if you are thinking work-life balance. I am not suggesting get on email and do assignments that arrive post work hours, but just a scan to catch something late, or maybe a colleague just needs a quick response to something they are in the midst of where you can add quick value. Just a thought.

Agree. Most pp’s here want to have professional jobs and make a commensurate salary, but want to be treated like hourly wage workers when it comes to work expectations. A professional has more control over their work schedule, but they are also never truly “off.”

It takes 5 minutes (or less) to check email at the end of the day and in the am to see if anything urgent popped up. If the meeting was scheduled too late to allow you to rework your schedule, it’s fine to reply to that effect, but just not being aware is not a good look.

And referring to people who make well into 6 figures as “slaves” because they’re expected to check e-mail more than 8 hours a day is offensive.

And there is the mentality people no longer buy. $160,000 is way, way too little money to never be off.

Being “off” means you can’t take 5 minutes to check your email at the end of the day to see what’s come up for tomorrow?” For someone making more than 3x the median wage? What people like you don’t get is that you need to work like you have the job you want. If you’re only doing the bare minimum with the job you have, I’m not giving you the opportunity for anything bigger. That only works in the government (and I have to wonder how many of the respondents here are government types).

I thought the same thing. Have to wonder what responses would be like if this was SFUM or NYUM.

Do you regularly check email past 9pm? Because that’s the situation here.

YES. I DO. Most of us do! Because it is a tradeoff for sure. For example, my back is killing me. I scheduled a massage for tomorrow at 4pm. No one cares, I don't have any important meetings, but did I crank out a document randomly over the weekend because I couldn't sleep and I thought it'd be nice to get it to someone first thing Monday morning.

It's not like we tolerate bosses who berate us because hey, we were sleeping that one day at 8:30pm and missed an invite. It's just I am on my phone a lot. So if I see something come in that looks urgent, I'll just glance at it and triage if necessary. Rarely do I actually need to open my computer or something.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Yes, thought it's give and take OP.

Do you take 5 min. here or there out of your work day to check on something that is not essential to your job? (e.g., make a dr appt., take a quick call from spouse, friend, bring in a package from the front door). Think of checking your work email on your own time as that 5 min. kind of trade-off, if you are thinking work-life balance. I am not suggesting get on email and do assignments that arrive post work hours, but just a scan to catch something late, or maybe a colleague just needs a quick response to something they are in the midst of where you can add quick value. Just a thought.

Agree. Most pp’s here want to have professional jobs and make a commensurate salary, but want to be treated like hourly wage workers when it comes to work expectations. A professional has more control over their work schedule, but they are also never truly “off.”

It takes 5 minutes (or less) to check email at the end of the day and in the am to see if anything urgent popped up. If the meeting was scheduled too late to allow you to rework your schedule, it’s fine to reply to that effect, but just not being aware is not a good look.

And referring to people who make well into 6 figures as “slaves” because they’re expected to check e-mail more than 8 hours a day is offensive.

And there is the mentality people no longer buy. $160,000 is way, way too little money to never be off.

Being “off” means you can’t take 5 minutes to check your email at the end of the day to see what’s come up for tomorrow?” For someone making more than 3x the median wage? What people like you don’t get is that you need to work like you have the job you want. If you’re only doing the bare minimum with the job you have, I’m not giving you the opportunity for anything bigger. That only works in the government (and I have to wonder how many of the respondents here are government types).

I thought the same thing. Have to wonder what responses would be like if this was SFUM or NYUM.

Do you regularly check email past 9pm? Because that’s the situation here.

YES. I DO. Most of us do! Because it is a tradeoff for sure. For example, my back is killing me. I scheduled a massage for tomorrow at 4pm. No one cares, I don't have any important meetings, but did I crank out a document randomly over the weekend because I couldn't sleep and I thought it'd be nice to get it to someone first thing Monday morning.

It's not like we tolerate bosses who berate us because hey, we were sleeping that one day at 8:30pm and missed an invite. It's just I am on my phone a lot. So if I see something come in that looks urgent, I'll just glance at it and triage if necessary. Rarely do I actually need to open my computer or something.

It’s 9am. For your 4pm meeting tomorrow, you gave well over 24 hours notice. There’s a big difference between that and giving 11 hours notice, which was the situation here.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Yes, thought it's give and take OP.

Do you take 5 min. here or there out of your work day to check on something that is not essential to your job? (e.g., make a dr appt., take a quick call from spouse, friend, bring in a package from the front door). Think of checking your work email on your own time as that 5 min. kind of trade-off, if you are thinking work-life balance. I am not suggesting get on email and do assignments that arrive post work hours, but just a scan to catch something late, or maybe a colleague just needs a quick response to something they are in the midst of where you can add quick value. Just a thought.

Agree. Most pp’s here want to have professional jobs and make a commensurate salary, but want to be treated like hourly wage workers when it comes to work expectations. A professional has more control over their work schedule, but they are also never truly “off.”

It takes 5 minutes (or less) to check email at the end of the day and in the am to see if anything urgent popped up. If the meeting was scheduled too late to allow you to rework your schedule, it’s fine to reply to that effect, but just not being aware is not a good look.

And referring to people who make well into 6 figures as “slaves” because they’re expected to check e-mail more than 8 hours a day is offensive.

And there is the mentality people no longer buy. $160,000 is way, way too little money to never be off.

Being “off” means you can’t take 5 minutes to check your email at the end of the day to see what’s come up for tomorrow?” For someone making more than 3x the median wage? What people like you don’t get is that you need to work like you have the job you want. If you’re only doing the bare minimum with the job you have, I’m not giving you the opportunity for anything bigger. That only works in the government (and I have to wonder how many of the respondents here are government types).

Which end of the day do you mean? The end of the workday? She wouldn’t have seen the invite. The end of the parenting day, i.e when the kids go to bed? That’s 8:30 here, she wouldn’t have seen the email. The end of the day meaning midnight? That’s a pretty big ask of people to read email at midnight.

The problem here from a managers perspective is not the person who didn’t read her email at 9:01 pm. It’s the person who is so disorganized in their work that they sent an email at 9pm for a meeting the next day. That is the person I don’t promote.

I generally have the lights off by 9pm every night. That means I am getting ready for bed and shutting down electronics before that. At what point do I have to push my bedtime back so that I can check email? I wake up early to exercise, get my kids ready for school, do chores around the house. Is checking email from 8am-8pm no longer enough? I agree that the person who needs to be spoken to is the one who scheduled a meeting 11 hrs ahead of time during what is my night.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Nope, I would not have that reaction to this.

Personally, I think eight am meetings are too early unless it’s a real emergency

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Yes, thought it's give and take OP.

Do you take 5 min. here or there out of your work day to check on something that is not essential to your job? (e.g., make a dr appt., take a quick call from spouse, friend, bring in a package from the front door). Think of checking your work email on your own time as that 5 min. kind of trade-off, if you are thinking work-life balance. I am not suggesting get on email and do assignments that arrive post work hours, but just a scan to catch something late, or maybe a colleague just needs a quick response to something they are in the midst of where you can add quick value. Just a thought.

Agree. Most pp’s here want to have professional jobs and make a commensurate salary, but want to be treated like hourly wage workers when it comes to work expectations. A professional has more control over their work schedule, but they are also never truly “off.”

It takes 5 minutes (or less) to check email at the end of the day and in the am to see if anything urgent popped up. If the meeting was scheduled too late to allow you to rework your schedule, it’s fine to reply to that effect, but just not being aware is not a good look.

And referring to people who make well into 6 figures as “slaves” because they’re expected to check e-mail more than 8 hours a day is offensive.

And there is the mentality people no longer buy. $160,000 is way, way too little money to never be off.

Being “off” means you can’t take 5 minutes to check your email at the end of the day to see what’s come up for tomorrow?” For someone making more than 3x the median wage? What people like you don’t get is that you need to work like you have the job you want. If you’re only doing the bare minimum with the job you have, I’m not giving you the opportunity for anything bigger. That only works in the government (and I have to wonder how many of the respondents here are government types).

I thought the same thing. Have to wonder what responses would be like if this was SFUM or NYUM.

Do you regularly check email past 9pm? Because that’s the situation here.

YES. I DO. Most of us do! Because it is a tradeoff for sure. For example, my back is killing me. I scheduled a massage for tomorrow at 4pm. No one cares, I don't have any important meetings, but did I crank out a document randomly over the weekend because I couldn't sleep and I thought it'd be nice to get it to someone first thing Monday morning.

It's not like we tolerate bosses who berate us because hey, we were sleeping that one day at 8:30pm and missed an invite. It's just I am on my phone a lot. So if I see something come in that looks urgent, I'll just glance at it and triage if necessary. Rarely do I actually need to open my computer or something.

It’s 9am. For your 4pm meeting tomorrow, you gave well over 24 hours notice. There’s a big difference between that and giving 11 hours notice, which was the situation here.

4pm massage, friend. And yes, my masseuse is booked out pretty far.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Yes, thought it's give and take OP.

Do you take 5 min. here or there out of your work day to check on something that is not essential to your job? (e.g., make a dr appt., take a quick call from spouse, friend, bring in a package from the front door). Think of checking your work email on your own time as that 5 min. kind of trade-off, if you are thinking work-life balance. I am not suggesting get on email and do assignments that arrive post work hours, but just a scan to catch something late, or maybe a colleague just needs a quick response to something they are in the midst of where you can add quick value. Just a thought.

Agree. Most pp’s here want to have professional jobs and make a commensurate salary, but want to be treated like hourly wage workers when it comes to work expectations. A professional has more control over their work schedule, but they are also never truly “off.”

It takes 5 minutes (or less) to check email at the end of the day and in the am to see if anything urgent popped up. If the meeting was scheduled too late to allow you to rework your schedule, it’s fine to reply to that effect, but just not being aware is not a good look.

And referring to people who make well into 6 figures as “slaves” because they’re expected to check e-mail more than 8 hours a day is offensive.

And there is the mentality people no longer buy. $160,000 is way, way too little money to never be off.

Being “off” means you can’t take 5 minutes to check your email at the end of the day to see what’s come up for tomorrow?” For someone making more than 3x the median wage? What people like you don’t get is that you need to work like you have the job you want. If you’re only doing the bare minimum with the job you have, I’m not giving you the opportunity for anything bigger. That only works in the government (and I have to wonder how many of the respondents here are government types).

I thought the same thing. Have to wonder what responses would be like if this was SFUM or NYUM.

Do you regularly check email past 9pm? Because that’s the situation here.

YES. I DO. Most of us do! Because it is a tradeoff for sure. For example, my back is killing me. I scheduled a massage for tomorrow at 4pm. No one cares, I don't have any important meetings, but did I crank out a document randomly over the weekend because I couldn't sleep and I thought it'd be nice to get it to someone first thing Monday morning.

It's not like we tolerate bosses who berate us because hey, we were sleeping that one day at 8:30pm and missed an invite. It's just I am on my phone a lot. So if I see something come in that looks urgent, I'll just glance at it and triage if necessary. Rarely do I actually need to open my computer or something.

It’s 9am. For your 4pm meeting tomorrow, you gave well over 24 hours notice. There’s a big difference between that and giving 11 hours notice, which was the situation here.

4pm massage, friend. And yes, my masseuse is booked out pretty far.

What does your massage have to do with anything?

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I am available via my work email 18 hours a day during week and 14-15 on weekend.

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Anonymous wrote:I am available via my work email 18 hours a day during week and 14-15 on weekend.

That’s so depressing.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

Yes, thought it's give and take OP.

Do you take 5 min. here or there out of your work day to check on something that is not essential to your job? (e.g., make a dr appt., take a quick call from spouse, friend, bring in a package from the front door). Think of checking your work email on your own time as that 5 min. kind of trade-off, if you are thinking work-life balance. I am not suggesting get on email and do assignments that arrive post work hours, but just a scan to catch something late, or maybe a colleague just needs a quick response to something they are in the midst of where you can add quick value. Just a thought.

Agree. Most pp’s here want to have professional jobs and make a commensurate salary, but want to be treated like hourly wage workers when it comes to work expectations. A professional has more control over their work schedule, but they are also never truly “off.”

It takes 5 minutes (or less) to check email at the end of the day and in the am to see if anything urgent popped up. If the meeting was scheduled too late to allow you to rework your schedule, it’s fine to reply to that effect, but just not being aware is not a good look.

And referring to people who make well into 6 figures as “slaves” because they’re expected to check e-mail more than 8 hours a day is offensive.

And there is the mentality people no longer buy. $160,000 is way, way too little money to never be off.

Being “off” means you can’t take 5 minutes to check your email at the end of the day to see what’s come up for tomorrow?” For someone making more than 3x the median wage? What people like you don’t get is that you need to work like you have the job you want. If you’re only doing the bare minimum with the job you have, I’m not giving you the opportunity for anything bigger. That only works in the government (and I have to wonder how many of the respondents here are government types).

I thought the same thing. Have to wonder what responses would be like if this was SFUM or NYUM.

Do you regularly check email past 9pm? Because that’s the situation here.

YES. I DO. Most of us do! Because it is a tradeoff for sure. For example, my back is killing me. I scheduled a massage for tomorrow at 4pm. No one cares, I don't have any important meetings, but did I crank out a document randomly over the weekend because I couldn't sleep and I thought it'd be nice to get it to someone first thing Monday morning.

It's not like we tolerate bosses who berate us because hey, we were sleeping that one day at 8:30pm and missed an invite. It's just I am on my phone a lot. So if I see something come in that looks urgent, I'll just glance at it and triage if necessary. Rarely do I actually need to open my computer or something.

It’s 9am. For your 4pm meeting tomorrow, you gave well over 24 hours notice. There’s a big difference between that and giving 11 hours notice, which was the situation here.

4pm massage, friend. And yes, my masseuse is booked out pretty far.

What does your massage have to do with anything?

NP. Omg. If you can’t follow the thread here how do you survive at work?