BASIS: PCSB staff recommends conditional continuance due to SWD

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight but just laughing at these anti-Basis comments.

Look at the facts.

The last 10-year report for Washington Latin, the nearest competitor to Basis shows these numbers for disabled kids in grades 5-8.

Reading MGP: 33.9
Math MPG: 43.6

The 10-year report for Basis shows these numbers for disabled kids in grades 5-8:

Reading MGP: 55.3
Math MGP: 55.3

Note this is ONLY for kids with disabilities.

Who is doing a better job? If you have a smart disabled kid, where you want your kid to go?

Lots of unsupported opinions here by people who don't have kids at Basis and haven't done their research. Look at the data and talk to parents at Basis.

Oh ffs. I have a "smart disabled kid" and I would not enroll them in Basis based on what I know now. But keep trying. The report (and posters here) acknowledge that Basis does well with SOME kids with disabilities. But other data show it's not supporting all the kids that it should be. You are quite ignorant about the world of special needs (law and actuality) so maybe you should take a seat. BTW don't pretend you're doing any favors to the "smart" disabled kids at Basis who are doing well. Just because our kids are doing well at one point in time doesn't mean that can't change; and an atmosphere of hostility to special needs impacts all kids.

[Anonymous]

Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Because BASIS’s resources are limited just like everyone else’s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Fight what? No one is saying they shouldn't provide more supports or attract more kids with special needs. I think Basis parents are reacting to the idea that a school that has a different approach -- lots of work, no social promotion-- is problematic on its face.

I think the other thing is that all Basis parents know that the school isn't for everyone and doesn't try to be-- special needs or not. I have two kids, neither of them have special needs. Basis was a great fit for one and a terrible fit for the other. We pulled the second kid after 5th. It's a weird school. Because of that I think there is a worry that what posters are saying on this thread is that the Basis model isn't a viable option; that all schools have to suit (not be open to, but suit) all kids equally.

Additionally, (and I am speaking theoretically here) It's hard to imagine that a familiy with kid with academic struggles would knowingly choose the school. If a kid's disabilities, for instance, mean that the accomodations are, say, additional time with assignments and tests, Basis' already heavy workload might be impossible. A kid could have all the support in the world, but if the 2 hours of homework in middle school turns into 4 for your kid every night, why would you choose that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Because BASIS’s resources are limited just like everyone else’s.

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basis parents believe basis should be exempt from serving children with disability.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Fight what? No one is saying they shouldn't provide more supports or attract more kids with special needs. I think Basis parents are reacting to the idea that a school that has a different approach -- lots of work, no social promotion-- is problematic on its face.

I think the other thing is that all Basis parents know that the school isn't for everyone and doesn't try to be-- special needs or not. I have two kids, neither of them have special needs. Basis was a great fit for one and a terrible fit for the other. We pulled the second kid after 5th. It's a weird school. Because of that I think there is a worry that what posters are saying on this thread is that the Basis model isn't a viable option; that all schools have to suit (not be open to, but suit) all kids equally.

Additionally, (and I am speaking theoretically here) It's hard to imagine that a familiy with kid with academic struggles would knowingly choose the school. If a kid's disabilities, for instance, mean that the accomodations are, say, additional time with assignments and tests, Basis' already heavy workload might be impossible. A kid could have all the support in the world, but if the 2 hours of homework in middle school turns into 4 for your kid every night, why would you choose that?

Well maybe Basis parents need to educate themselves a little on federal disability law. The obligation to provide an education for kids with disabilities is NOT excused on the basis of being a poor "fit." For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for. But Basis is an entire LEA, so it has no other program it can send kids to on the basis of "fit." Basis choses to be a charter and parents chose to attend a charter. That means the charter is an LEA and has to provide an education for all comers. BTW IEP accomodations can include reduced homework.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Because BASIS’s resources are limited just like everyone else’s.

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basis parents believe basis should be exempt from serving children with disability.

BASIS has the same resources that other charters do. Why does DCI have so many more kids with higher level IEPs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Because BASIS’s resources are limited just like everyone else’s.

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basis parents believe basis should be exempt from serving children with disability.

BASIS has the same resources that other charters do. Why does DCI have so many more kids with higher level IEPs?

It’s a lottery school so two choices: demand or attrition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Because BASIS’s resources are limited just like everyone else’s.

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basis parents believe basis should be exempt from serving children with disability.

BASIS has the same resources that other charters do. Why does DCI have so many more kids with higher level IEPs?

It’s a lottery school so two choices: demand or attrition.

Really, you don't think the low sped compliance has anything to do with it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Fight what? No one is saying they shouldn't provide more supports or attract more kids with special needs. I think Basis parents are reacting to the idea that a school that has a different approach -- lots of work, no social promotion-- is problematic on its face.

I think the other thing is that all Basis parents know that the school isn't for everyone and doesn't try to be-- special needs or not. I have two kids, neither of them have special needs. Basis was a great fit for one and a terrible fit for the other. We pulled the second kid after 5th. It's a weird school. Because of that I think there is a worry that what posters are saying on this thread is that the Basis model isn't a viable option; that all schools have to suit (not be open to, but suit) all kids equally.

Additionally, (and I am speaking theoretically here) It's hard to imagine that a familiy with kid with academic struggles would knowingly choose the school. If a kid's disabilities, for instance, mean that the accomodations are, say, additional time with assignments and tests, Basis' already heavy workload might be impossible. A kid could have all the support in the world, but if the 2 hours of homework in middle school turns into 4 for your kid every night, why would you choose that?

Well maybe Basis parents need to educate themselves a little on federal disability law. The obligation to provide an education for kids with disabilities is NOT excused on the basis of being a poor "fit." For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for. But Basis is an entire LEA, so it has no other program it can send kids to on the basis of "fit." Basis choses to be a charter and parents chose to attend a charter. That means the charter is an LEA and has to provide an education for all comers. BTW IEP accomodations can include reduced homework.

You keep saying that. No one is saying they don't have an obligation to educate nor is anyone, including the Charter Board, saying that they aren't or shouldn't be doing so.

"For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for" What does this mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Because BASIS’s resources are limited just like everyone else’s.

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basis parents believe basis should be exempt from serving children with disability.

BASIS has the same resources that other charters do. Why does DCI have so many more kids with higher level IEPs?

It’s a lottery school so two choices: demand or attrition.

Really, you don't think the low sped compliance has anything to do with it?

The only violations reported (and corrected) relate to timelines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Fight what? No one is saying they shouldn't provide more supports or attract more kids with special needs. I think Basis parents are reacting to the idea that a school that has a different approach -- lots of work, no social promotion-- is problematic on its face.

I think the other thing is that all Basis parents know that the school isn't for everyone and doesn't try to be-- special needs or not. I have two kids, neither of them have special needs. Basis was a great fit for one and a terrible fit for the other. We pulled the second kid after 5th. It's a weird school. Because of that I think there is a worry that what posters are saying on this thread is that the Basis model isn't a viable option; that all schools have to suit (not be open to, but suit) all kids equally.

Additionally, (and I am speaking theoretically here) It's hard to imagine that a familiy with kid with academic struggles would knowingly choose the school. If a kid's disabilities, for instance, mean that the accomodations are, say, additional time with assignments and tests, Basis' already heavy workload might be impossible. A kid could have all the support in the world, but if the 2 hours of homework in middle school turns into 4 for your kid every night, why would you choose that?

Well maybe Basis parents need to educate themselves a little on federal disability law. The obligation to provide an education for kids with disabilities is NOT excused on the basis of being a poor "fit." For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for. But Basis is an entire LEA, so it has no other program it can send kids to on the basis of "fit." Basis choses to be a charter and parents chose to attend a charter. That means the charter is an LEA and has to provide an education for all comers. BTW IEP accomodations can include reduced homework.

You keep saying that. No one is saying they don't have an obligation to educate nor is anyone, including the Charter Board, saying that they aren't or shouldn't be doing so.

"For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for" What does this mean?

DP, but if DCPS can provide SN kids with an appropriate education or accommodations at another school, that's what they will do. (How well this happens is another topic.) BASIS and other charters only have one school in their LEA, so they need to accommodate the kids at that school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Fight what? No one is saying they shouldn't provide more supports or attract more kids with special needs. I think Basis parents are reacting to the idea that a school that has a different approach -- lots of work, no social promotion-- is problematic on its face.

I think the other thing is that all Basis parents know that the school isn't for everyone and doesn't try to be-- special needs or not. I have two kids, neither of them have special needs. Basis was a great fit for one and a terrible fit for the other. We pulled the second kid after 5th. It's a weird school. Because of that I think there is a worry that what posters are saying on this thread is that the Basis model isn't a viable option; that all schools have to suit (not be open to, but suit) all kids equally.

Additionally, (and I am speaking theoretically here) It's hard to imagine that a familiy with kid with academic struggles would knowingly choose the school. If a kid's disabilities, for instance, mean that the accomodations are, say, additional time with assignments and tests, Basis' already heavy workload might be impossible. A kid could have all the support in the world, but if the 2 hours of homework in middle school turns into 4 for your kid every night, why would you choose that?

Well maybe Basis parents need to educate themselves a little on federal disability law. The obligation to provide an education for kids with disabilities is NOT excused on the basis of being a poor "fit." For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for. But Basis is an entire LEA, so it has no other program it can send kids to on the basis of "fit." Basis choses to be a charter and parents chose to attend a charter. That means the charter is an LEA and has to provide an education for all comers. BTW IEP accomodations can include reduced homework.

You keep saying that. No one is saying they don't have an obligation to educate nor is anyone, including the Charter Board, saying that they aren't or shouldn't be doing so.

"For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for" What does this mean?

DP, but if DCPS can provide SN kids with an appropriate education or accommodations at another school, that's what they will do. (How well this happens is another topic.) BASIS and other charters only have one school in their LEA, so they need to accommodate the kids at that school.

So DCPS can deny a kid with SN attend a certain school but Charters can't? Hm.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Fight what? No one is saying they shouldn't provide more supports or attract more kids with special needs. I think Basis parents are reacting to the idea that a school that has a different approach -- lots of work, no social promotion-- is problematic on its face.

I think the other thing is that all Basis parents know that the school isn't for everyone and doesn't try to be-- special needs or not. I have two kids, neither of them have special needs. Basis was a great fit for one and a terrible fit for the other. We pulled the second kid after 5th. It's a weird school. Because of that I think there is a worry that what posters are saying on this thread is that the Basis model isn't a viable option; that all schools have to suit (not be open to, but suit) all kids equally.

Additionally, (and I am speaking theoretically here) It's hard to imagine that a familiy with kid with academic struggles would knowingly choose the school. If a kid's disabilities, for instance, mean that the accomodations are, say, additional time with assignments and tests, Basis' already heavy workload might be impossible. A kid could have all the support in the world, but if the 2 hours of homework in middle school turns into 4 for your kid every night, why would you choose that?

Well maybe Basis parents need to educate themselves a little on federal disability law. The obligation to provide an education for kids with disabilities is NOT excused on the basis of being a poor "fit." For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for. But Basis is an entire LEA, so it has no other program it can send kids to on the basis of "fit." Basis choses to be a charter and parents chose to attend a charter. That means the charter is an LEA and has to provide an education for all comers. BTW IEP accomodations can include reduced homework.

You keep saying that. No one is saying they don't have an obligation to educate nor is anyone, including the Charter Board, saying that they aren't or shouldn't be doing so.

"For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for" What does this mean?

I feel too tired to explain it to you since you seem uninterested in actually accepted the facts about Basis's treatment of SN kids and you keep distorting what the Charter Board said.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question: Why would BASIS parents fight this? If the BASIS model is so great and successful, why would parents be upset that BASIS provide additional supports for SN kids?

Fight what? No one is saying they shouldn't provide more supports or attract more kids with special needs. I think Basis parents are reacting to the idea that a school that has a different approach -- lots of work, no social promotion-- is problematic on its face.

I think the other thing is that all Basis parents know that the school isn't for everyone and doesn't try to be-- special needs or not. I have two kids, neither of them have special needs. Basis was a great fit for one and a terrible fit for the other. We pulled the second kid after 5th. It's a weird school. Because of that I think there is a worry that what posters are saying on this thread is that the Basis model isn't a viable option; that all schools have to suit (not be open to, but suit) all kids equally.

Additionally, (and I am speaking theoretically here) It's hard to imagine that a familiy with kid with academic struggles would knowingly choose the school. If a kid's disabilities, for instance, mean that the accomodations are, say, additional time with assignments and tests, Basis' already heavy workload might be impossible. A kid could have all the support in the world, but if the 2 hours of homework in middle school turns into 4 for your kid every night, why would you choose that?

Well maybe Basis parents need to educate themselves a little on federal disability law. The obligation to provide an education for kids with disabilities is NOT excused on the basis of being a poor "fit." For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for. But Basis is an entire LEA, so it has no other program it can send kids to on the basis of "fit." Basis choses to be a charter and parents chose to attend a charter. That means the charter is an LEA and has to provide an education for all comers. BTW IEP accomodations can include reduced homework.

You keep saying that. No one is saying they don't have an obligation to educate nor is anyone, including the Charter Board, saying that they aren't or shouldn't be doing so.

"For non-charters, it's clear that schools are not obligated to place children with disabilities in special programs that they don't otherwise qualify for" What does this mean?

DP, but if DCPS can provide SN kids with an appropriate education or accommodations at another school, that's what they will do. (How well this happens is another topic.) BASIS and other charters only have one school in their LEA, so they need to accommodate the kids at that school.

So DCPS can deny a kid with SN attend a certain school but Charters can't? Hm.

Ok let me be patient with you. DCPS isn and LEA. Basis its an LEA. DCPS (while observing all IDEA requirement) has multiple possible placements for children with disabilities. However, this does not free DCPS from the obligation of providing sufficient services to children so that they can access the curriculum in general ed. It is a high bar to provide a more restrictive environment or remove a child from their school. Basis as an LEA has no other programs to send kids to. It's just Basis. At some point they can try to do a private placement that OSSE pays for, but they can't do that just because they believe their "niche" makes Basis a "poor fit."