DADT GONE!

Anonymous
It's a good day. I've been a member of the military since 1993 and have watched several good soldiers get discharged for sexual orientation.

I am proud that we've made it to this day and people will be able to serve openly. Yah!
Anonymous
hooray!
Anonymous
it is good but now the press will always have this to say

First openly gay serviceman wounded
First openly gay serviceman wins medal of xyz

Jsut accept it and move on no need to create reports like that but the press will and those who serve openly probably won't care because they are there to do a job not to become the first openly gay service man to do xyz.
Anonymous
Great day. As much as American society pisses me off day-to-day, you have to love the arc of history. We do the wrong thing so often, celebrating it as morally good, then one day, we get our act together. And the reactionary forces of "conservativism" lose. And aside from a few marginal cases on the periphery of society, no one ever brings it up again.

Looking forward to the next quantum leap forward. Probably national legalization of gay marriage.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:it is good but now the press will always have this to say

First openly gay serviceman wounded
First openly gay serviceman wins medal of xyz

Jsut accept it and move on no need to create reports like that but the press will and those who serve openly probably won't care because they are there to do a job not to become the first openly gay service man to do xyz.
Given that the issue was about openness, o think these stories are appropriate. How else will the public come to recognize the positive contributions of gay people in the military? You and I know it, but some people need to see it. Plus not hiding is now the prerogative of the soldiers. We did not drop DADT to instate DAD Make a Public Scene.
Anonymous
a sad day indeed.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:a sad day indeed.

Because why? Did the presence of gays in the military over the last 18 years ruin cohesiveness? No.

You are such a bigot. You want gay people to hide what they are legally entitled to do and be. That is un-American.
TheManWithAUsername
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Anonymous wrote:Great day. As much as American society pisses me off day-to-day, you have to love the arc of history. We do the wrong thing so often, celebrating it as morally good, then one day, we get our act together. And the reactionary forces of "conservativism" lose. And aside from a few marginal cases on the periphery of society, no one ever brings it up again.

Looking forward to the next quantum leap forward. Probably national legalization of gay marriage.

We have had a very steady progression forward in equality. My only concern about it continuing is the massive influx of serious Catholics. Hopefully, our culture will win out.

Now, if we could only start a similar steady movement forward in charity and fraternity...
Anonymous
It is indeed an awesome day for all of the men and women who put their lives on the line for their country who can now openly express their love in same-sex relationships.
Aimee4
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TheManWithAUsername wrote:We have had a very steady progression forward in equality. My only concern about it continuing is the massive influx of serious Catholics. Hopefully, our culture will win out.

Now, if we could only start a similar steady movement forward in charity and fraternity...


You got it wrong! True serious Catholics are more about social justice than anything else. You need to be concerned about massive influx of evangelicals!
Anonymous
TheManWithAUsername wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Great day. As much as American society pisses me off day-to-day, you have to love the arc of history. We do the wrong thing so often, celebrating it as morally good, then one day, we get our act together. And the reactionary forces of "conservativism" lose. And aside from a few marginal cases on the periphery of society, no one ever brings it up again.

Looking forward to the next quantum leap forward. Probably national legalization of gay marriage.

We have had a very steady progression forward in equality. My only concern about it continuing is the massive influx of serious Catholics. Hopefully, our culture will win out.

Now, if we could only start a similar steady movement forward in charity and fraternity...


It turns out that Catholics are ahead of Protestants when it comes to gay marriage. White Evangelicals and Black Protestants are the primary objectors from a religious perspective.

http://pewforum.org/Gay-Marriage-and-Homosexuality/Support-For-Same-Sex-Marriage-Edges-Upward.aspx#catholics



Anonymous
TheManWithAUsername wrote:
We have had a very steady progression forward in equality. My only concern about it continuing is the massive influx of serious Catholics. Hopefully, our culture will win out.

Now, if we could only start a similar steady movement forward in charity and fraternity...


OP here, and it's interesting to me that you say that (I am Catholic, although maybe not what you would call a 'serious' one?). I do support gay marriage/civil unions as well, and again, I think today is pretty incredible. I truly hope that this paves the way for American society becoming more accepting and supportive of gay rights.
TheManWithAUsername
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So it was all the evangelicals in California who passed Prop 8?
Anonymous
It is my understanding that the Government of California passed Prop 8, which was voted on by the people (of, I assume, various religions or none at all). It is also my understanding that it was endorsed by not only the Catholic Church there (and also dissented within) but several other churches, too.

Is this incorrect?

I am OP and 1527, btw.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It is my understanding that the Government of California passed Prop 8, which was voted on by the people (of, I assume, various religions or none at all). It is also my understanding that it was endorsed by not only the Catholic Church there (and also dissented within) but several other churches, too.

Is this incorrect?

I am OP and 1527, btw.


My point being this: trying to bring any particular religious group into this is myopic in my view. People from all walks of life exhibit homophobia, and others acceptance. Today is simply a day that should be celebrated for acceptance.
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