lax culture from an insider

[Anonymous]

BTW the St. Ignatius reference was magnificent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Believe it or not, I am a first time reader and poster on DCUM. A fellow lacrosse parent sent me the link to this thread and I read the first 10 pages and the last 10. Pretty hilarious writing. My son is a junior in high school, he plays club lacrosse and has done some prospect days at mostly D3 programs. I think my take on this is the youth lacrosse game is a lot like porn. Looking at Playboy isn't something I'd be embarrassed about getting busted on. Some on-line stuff you then look at is definitely less appropriate, and would be more embarrassing. Then you click into something really freaky and worry that the FBI may flag your computer. I don't know where the point of no return was for freaky in lacrosse, but this sport is officially way past the type of behaviour any of us could be proud of. To an outsider it's just like the porn tipping point. Am I really someone who wants to see a woman absorb 3 inputs? Jesus, that's where you realize you have a daughter and some self respect. I don't really see what has happened in lacrosse as an epidemic, but I do see it as a sport I'd rather steer my younger kids away from because it isn't a healthy way to go.

You think you are more intelligent than you are. And your porn reference, including the reference to inputs, suggests to me you are more of a freak than you care to admit. Hope you're wife hires a good divorce lawyer who raped you figuratevely if not literally. That is a long way of saying what a waste of a first time post. Go back to he bush league, loser.

[Anonymous]

Sports parents today in the muck of early recruiting in many sports aren't hit yet by the reality.

http://www.scholarshipstats.com/lacrosse.html

This is 2014, and pretty recent, and is only for men's and women's lacrosse. If you look at this, and then also consider that lacrosse is the second lowest yield sport in NCAA sports behind ice hockey (NCAA GIA scholarship limits / average roster sizes), it's pretty sobering. When you read this, take note of the footnote in terms of average athletic scholarships

Reference:
(2) Average Athletic Scholarship is the average amount of athletically related student aid per athlete for ALL varsity sports sponsored by the specific school. Some athletes receive full awards, some receive partial and many receive none. Additionally some sports within a school may be fully funded, some partially and some sports provide no athletic scholarships. Private schools generally have higher tuition than public schools and the average award will reflect this.

For lacrosse, that means the math drives lower and is also subject to NCAA rules which cap the number of student athletes who can receive grant-in-aid for non-football teams to 30. So any lacrosse roster in the NCAA over 30 has that many minus 30 who receive no GIA money at all, and the average is about 30% as a percentage of tuition and student fees, but not boarding, meals or other expense.

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*"NCAA Division I men's Lacrosse teams have an average roster size of 45 players but only a maximum of 12.6 scholarships to award per team. This means that the average award covers less than 30% of a typical athlete's annual college costs. Lacrosse is an equivalency sport for NCAA limits, so partial scholarships can be awarded (up to 30 per team in NCAA I) as long as the combined equivalent awards do not exceed the limit. For example, an NCAA Division I school can award 24 women lacrosse players each a 1/2 scholarship and still meet the limit of 12 per team."

Getting committed is great for kids to be able to reserve a roster spot to play college sports, which can be very rewarding in ways other than money taking as given it is not much rewarding on the money side so far as GIA money is concerned. It's also a great way to leverage up chances at a reach school a kid may otherwise not get into. That said, the current spoliation rate for Ivy recruits in men's lacrosse was about 25% last year. The coaches are marked when their sponsor candidates are not admitted, and this data blind to specific identities is also shared among the other institutions in the league in order to do an ongoing analysis of AI standards and admissions trends. That is straight from an Ivy AD to me, so not b.s. but this isn't something widely published. What is published each late spring or summer are kids changing their commitment from an Ivy to another school, which is often the private outcome of admissions declines.

Kids and parents need to be aware that the financial rewards have limitations, and the veracity of verbals to highly selective schools is also subject to academic standards that are limiting where academic performance is absent despite the enthusiasm of coaches sponsoring admissions folders.

[Anonymous]

Kid received an invite to try out for Brine National team. What's that all about?

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Anonymous wrote:Kid received an invite to try out for Brine National team. What's that all about?

Total scam. Don't be suckered into it. No college coaches attend that money grab.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid received an invite to try out for Brine National team. What's that all about?

Total scam. Don't be suckered into it. No college coaches attend that money grab.

Unquestionably the pump and dump king of all b.s. showcases. Total waste of money and time. Spend that money on something else and don't waste a summer day on the Brine garbage.

[Anonymous]

Two showcases worth time and money are Maverik Showtime which is run by the LI and Albany area Cuse alums, and Adrenaline Black Card run by the West Coast Stars guys. In both instances it is a bit harder for club players in the DMV to get invited, but if you get on your club owner now while it is early, there's a shot for showing the interest. Both are well run and well attended. Adrenaline is also silly cheap for what it is, $150 and the kids get easily twice that in the value of equipment and swag handed out, and the fees all go to charity.

Your sons will play plenty enough in front of coaches at club tournaments and then prospect days are a sign up for thing. Showcases -- I'd urge families to be very selective on. There are so many of them now, and the ones that were top shelf even just a couple years ago have really flushed down and out. As a parent of a kid who went to Jake Reed when it was a big deal, it is kind of sad to see that turned into a 3D Costco lacrosse store. And as I went on and on about, the NLF is just the same crap with a new paint job slopped on it. Draw the line with your cash and your time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Two showcases worth time and money are Maverik Showtime which is run by the LI and Albany area Cuse alums, and Adrenaline Black Card run by the West Coast Stars guys. In both instances it is a bit harder for club players in the DMV to get invited, but if you get on your club owner now while it is early, there's a shot for showing the interest. Both are well run and well attended. Adrenaline is also silly cheap for what it is, $150 and the kids get easily twice that in the value of equipment and swag handed out, and the fees all go to charity.

Your sons will play plenty enough in front of coaches at club tournaments and then prospect days are a sign up for thing. Showcases -- I'd urge families to be very selective on. There are so many of them now, and the ones that were top shelf even just a couple years ago have really flushed down and out. As a parent of a kid who went to Jake Reed when it was a big deal, it is kind of sad to see that turned into a 3D Costco lacrosse store. And as I went on and on about, the NLF is just the same crap with a new paint job slopped on it. Draw the line with your cash and your time.

Good advice. Any showcase advice for someone focused on D3 schools?

[Anonymous]

I would restate most of that for D3 too. For D3 going to their recruit or prospect days shows interest and is valued by the coaches who don't have big recruiting budgets. Coaches in those programs aren't funded to just bang all over the place all summer and fall long looking for players. It comes down much more to an athlete reverse enquiring and showing up on their campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would restate most of that for D3 too. For D3 going to their recruit or prospect days shows interest and is valued by the coaches who don't have big recruiting budgets. Coaches in those programs aren't funded to just bang all over the place all summer and fall long looking for players. It comes down much more to an athlete reverse enquiring and showing up on their campus.

You sound like you know what you are talking about! How refreshing and thank you. When should my son, who his coaches say is a D3 rather than a D1 prospect, start going to these prospect camps? His club coach suggested we try one this fall. My son is a sophomore. The camp he went to was full of seniors and juniors, so it was hard for him to shine. Should he wait until the summer before senior year when he will be stronger and faster? Or is that too late?

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Junior year is the time to be reaching out to D3 coaches with transcripts and scores, and for going to the prospect events. As a soph emailing the coach to express interest, summarizing grades and scores (if any) and details about your lacrosse experience is a great start. Unlike D1 coaches, D3 coaches are free to email your son back and trade details or arrange calls. As a soph, pretty much every D3 coach will tell you they are focused on seniors now that applications are in play and next focused on a short list of juniors who have both expressed interest and coaches are keen to follow. But they will VERY MUCH appreciate and like hearing from your son if interested in the school and in the program.

[Anonymous]

I recently graduated from a D3 program and I just chuckle at the comments on this website.

I played for a club program based in the DC area and stopped after my sophomore year.

Some of you lacrosse parents on here are absolutely crazy.

College lacrosse is not all that - more students would attend where I played in HS vs where I played in college.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently graduated from a D3 program and I just chuckle at the comments on this website.

I played for a club program based in the DC area and stopped after my sophomore year.

Some of you lacrosse parents on here are absolutely crazy.

College lacrosse is not all that - more students would attend where I played in HS vs where I played in college.

So how did you get recruited? Showcase? Prospect camp? HS? Or walk on?

[Anonymous]

my grades and probably because of my HS coach.

saw me play on my HS team the summer of going into my junior year.

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Anonymous wrote:my grades and probably because of my HS coach.

saw me play on my HS team the summer of going into my junior year.

So do you regret playing college lacrosse?