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ECNL moving to school year not calendar
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Anonymous
You miss the point . Regardless of how or why the NCAA rules were built, college soccer coaches still need to abide by them or risk getting sanctioned. And players must abide by the rules as well. And yes, NCAA rules for soccer coaches are totally misaligned with a BY approach. They recruit by grad year only. They could care less about what month a player was born - only when they graduate because that (and that alone)!dictates when they can talk to them and when they can put them on a roster. It’s not rocket science. |
Anonymous
Of course they are scouting before they can communicate, https://www.ncsasports.org/womens-soccer/recruiting-rules-calendar. |
Anonymous
If kids play along a couple different cutoffs within their club, here's my suggestion... ECNL, GA, and maybe even MLSNext play league, tournaments, and showcases according to SY. They form secondary "international" teams on two year boundaries for the year. So, e.g., maybe this next year there is a "2008/2009 International Team" inside the top clubs. That team plays any international friendlies/tournaments the club wants, and participates in a once-a-year "International Showcase." The top, top kids get international experience and exposure, national team scouts go to this showcase, and the whole rest of the system doesn't get dragged into the mess of being misaligned with domestic school cutoffs. |
Anonymous
I suggest GA, ECNL, etc keep everything BY. But, US Soccer creates a new league called NWSL Next grouped exactly like MLS Next also grouped by BY. |
Anonymous
Any league that targets college recruiting should do SY. Any local league that targets young players should do SY. MLS can do BY if it competes against the Academy team. |
Anonymous
| Many top clubs on the boys side have both ECNL and MLS Next Teams. As these teams don't exist at the younger ages, it may be a logistical challenge for clubs to group the preECNL/MLSN player pool by age if the the ECNL/MLSN age groupings become discordant. Certainly solutions exist, but could be challenging. |
Anonymous
If people are serious about lessening RAE, this is a feature not a bug. One of the most common proposed solutions to RAE is smaller or rotating age cutoffs. In the data for age groups who experienced the cutoff change mid-youth-career, the resulting RAE profile at ~18 is much better. MLSN starting at U13 with BY could be a permanent RAE mitigation step in the system. |
Anonymous
College teams need players as much as youth players need college teams to play on. BY doesn't matter. Colleges that need players will sort through what's available to find the best options. Think about it. College coaches can find foreign players from different countries. But they can't identify a trapped player from an American youth club? Switching to SY won't change anything. You're just altered the players that won the birthday lottery. Instead of trying to change the rules to give your Aug to Dec birthday kid a potential advantage. Just spend more time training in the park or investing in strength training. |
Anonymous
When will you learn there is no bartering with the BY people, they are just maniacs who do not won’t their kids position or team messed with even slightly. If you give any data or thoughtful reasoning for a change you will be called stupid and your kid is a JV scrub. |
Anonymous
Let’s say no one played college, no recruiting. It still makes more sense to let kids be grouped with their same grade? It makes sense to get rid of anytime in the system where kids teams get split up for one group to play high school and one group to figure something out. Even if it’s slightly more convenient SY makes sense to everyone but parents with kids Jan to July. Which is fine. I get it. |
Anonymous
BY makes 0 sense for 99% of us based soccer programs. If switching to SY won’t change anything why are birth year people afraid of it? According to you it doesn’t matter nothing will change? So who cares? |
Anonymous
BY works across the board and is currently what soccer is aligned to around the world. We get that you have an Aug to Dec birthday kid and they you feel changing the rules to give them and advantage and maybe a shot at playing in college. What you don't see is that trapped player or not trapped player colleges will recruit the best options for their team. Also cream will rise to the top trapped or not trapped. Spend your time getting better not trying to change the rules. |
Anonymous
Obviously you've never run a business or worked with multiple entities that need to all align on a specific goal or target. Why don't you talk to ECNL about allowing 4-5 trapped players play down an age level. This acheives what youre after and doesn't affect any other leagues. |
Anonymous
Because if they keep BY I won’t lose any sleep over it. I’m just pointing out a fact that the majority of soccer organizations all know to be true. Kids should be playing with their school grade. What if everyone has different goals? You’re assuming everyone wants the same thing from soccer? The pro pathway should look different then the just wanting to play local rec, or local comp, or wanting to be recruited for college. The truth is SY is the best option for the vast majority of kids. BY is a lazy way making things “easier” for identifying the top kids who can play at the national team level. Which you can still offer birth year team tryouts for international competition. Comes down to agree to disagree. |
Anonymous
If this is what you want tell ECNL to allow 4-5 trapped players to play down. It solves your issue allowing all the players in the same grade to play on the same team. However I know the secret about why you don't want above. If implemented it would make it difficult for ECNL teams to participate in BY tournaments. Their teams would get destroyed by BY teams because they wouldn't be able to play all the trapped players down. |