Free-range kids picked up AGAIN by police

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the 911 caller was probably thinking of the Lyon sisters (ages 10 and 12) when he made the call.

Located a half mile away from their home was Wheaton Plaza shopping mall (now Westfield Wheaton). On March 25, 1975, Katherine and Sheila Lyon were going to see the Easter exhibits. It was their spring vacation and they planned to have lunch at the Orange Bowl. They left home between 11:00 AM and noon. Their mother had instructed them to return home by 4:00 PM; when they had not arrived by 7:00 PM, the police were called and an extensive search was conducted.[1] Police felt comfortable enough with accuracy of this timeline to release it to the public.
11:00 AM to noon: The girls leave home.
1:00 PM: A neighborhood child tells investigators that he saw both of the girls together outside the Orange Bowl. He also told the investigators that the sisters were speaking to an unidentified man.
2:00 PM: The girls' older brother saw them at the Orange Bowl eating pizza together.
2:30 to 3:00 PM: A friend sees the girls walking westward down a street near the mall which would have been one of the most direct routes from the mall to their home. This is the final sighting of the sisters that is absolutely confirmed by the police.
4:00 PM: This curfew set by their mother passes. The girls are expected home and do not arrive.
7:00 PM: Police are called. The investigation and an active search by professionals begins.

You know you are probably right, they are very rare. But I do not want to be a parent of a rare happening. I think the parents are lazy and/selfish. I think the kids are being put into situations that they are too young for. Grow up all of you and start being parents!

To repeat: In 1975. 1975! 40 years ago. (The 911 caller probably wasn't even born.) Why do you remember this case? Because events like this are very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very rare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you read his page, be sure to scroll through the comments to see where Reimer posts (a few times) that neighbors in the area have repeatedly called the cops on the family for years since they've been allowing the free ranging since the younger one was a toddler. Toddler. That's according to neighbors who told Reimer.

Talk about hearsay. There was a comment where a neighbor called the family "odd," which has been taken down. Are you referring to another comment that has been taken down?

You guys don't know what hearsay is. If it's not being offered as evidence in a trial, it's not hearsay. There's nothing prohibiting him from posting it. By your logic every newspaper every day is publishing hearsay. Think, people.

Okay, no hearsay. How about spreading gossip? He wised up and took all the comments down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

It is very clear and the lawsuit will go nowhere.

How much experience do you have practicing law, and did your law school issue a crystal ball along with the diploma?

Family law, 20 years... You have no clue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous



And if you read his page, be sure to scroll through the comments to see where Reimer posts (a few times) that neighbors in the area have repeatedly called the cops on the family for years since they've been allowing the free ranging since the younger one was a toddler. Toddler. That's according to neighbors who told Reimer.

Years? I though the kids were in danger! Wow years....

[Anonymous]

Question: does the family live near Woodside? Because a poster in another thread pointed out that the kids were heading towards dc, not home...and that they were approaching the dc border. Is that true?

[Anonymous]

I looked at Riemer's FB page and then at the mother's FB page. I don't think it's appropriate for an elected official to be publicly bashing his own constituents based on rumor (even if it's accurate, which seems possible or even likely.) But the Meitiv woman's FB page also seems troubling. She's constantly trolling for $$. And posting about fights with the school secretary about where and how her 10yo can wait for his afterschool activities.

I have similarly aged kids in nearby MCPS elementary and this kind of thing never happens. Kids leave school every day and no one checks with whom. Kids hang around at times, and as long as they're not making a scene or causing trouble, no one would blink an eye at a kid waiting for a parent or an afterschool class, inside or outside. It also happens that this is neighborhood where tons of kids roam and no police ever intervene.

So I keep coming back to the question: why do the Meitivs experience so much difficulty with authorities and their children -- when no one else does? Is it that EVERYONE else is a helicopter parent? Or is it possible that the Meitivs are, for their own warped reasons, deliberately seeking out confrontations with the police (and the school secretary) in order to promote some ideological agenda?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I looked at Riemer's FB page and then at the mother's FB page. I don't think it's appropriate for an elected official to be publicly bashing his own constituents based on rumor (even if it's accurate, which seems possible or even likely.) But the Meitiv woman's FB page also seems troubling. She's constantly trolling for $$. And posting about fights with the school secretary about where and how her 10yo can wait for his afterschool activities.

I have similarly aged kids in nearby MCPS elementary and this kind of thing never happens. Kids leave school every day and no one checks with whom. Kids hang around at times, and as long as they're not making a scene or causing trouble, no one would blink an eye at a kid waiting for a parent or an afterschool class, inside or outside. It also happens that this is neighborhood where tons of kids roam and no police ever intervene.

So I keep coming back to the question: why do the Meitivs experience so much difficulty with authorities and their children -- when no one else does? Is it that EVERYONE else is a helicopter parent? Or is it possible that the Meitivs are, for their own warped reasons, deliberately seeking out confrontations with the police (and the school secretary) in order to promote some ideological agenda?

The Meitivs may be confrontational and abrasive. They don't need to be nice to parent their children.

However, Reimer is supposed to be a city councilman. His behavior is much more important than hers.

[Anonymous]

Or could it be that there is actually something wrong with these parents and they are hiding behind the free-range parenting cover?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or could it be that there is actually something wrong with these parents and they are hiding behind the free-range parenting cover?

Ding ding ding!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I looked at Riemer's FB page and then at the mother's FB page. I don't think it's appropriate for an elected official to be publicly bashing his own constituents based on rumor (even if it's accurate, which seems possible or even likely.) But the Meitiv woman's FB page also seems troubling. She's constantly trolling for $$. And posting about fights with the school secretary about where and how her 10yo can wait for his afterschool activities.

I have similarly aged kids in nearby MCPS elementary and this kind of thing never happens. Kids leave school every day and no one checks with whom. Kids hang around at times, and as long as they're not making a scene or causing trouble, no one would blink an eye at a kid waiting for a parent or an afterschool class, inside or outside. It also happens that this is neighborhood where tons of kids roam and no police ever intervene.

So I keep coming back to the question: why do the Meitivs experience so much difficulty with authorities and their children -- when no one else does? Is it that EVERYONE else is a helicopter parent? Or is it possible that the Meitivs are, for their own warped reasons, deliberately seeking out confrontations with the police (and the school secretary) in order to promote some ideological agenda?

Hmmm.....very interesting....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you read his page, be sure to scroll through the comments to see where Reimer posts (a few times) that neighbors in the area have repeatedly called the cops on the family for years since they've been allowing the free ranging since the younger one was a toddler. Toddler. That's according to neighbors who told Reimer.

Talk about hearsay. There was a comment where a neighbor called the family "odd," which has been taken down. Are you referring to another comment that has been taken down?

Yes, the one Riemer deleted. If you hit the "edit" button you can see what he wrote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you read his page, be sure to scroll through the comments to see where Reimer posts (a few times) that neighbors in the area have repeatedly called the cops on the family for years since they've been allowing the free ranging since the younger one was a toddler. Toddler. That's according to neighbors who told Reimer.

Talk about hearsay. There was a comment where a neighbor called the family "odd," which has been taken down. Are you referring to another comment that has been taken down?

Yes, the one Riemer deleted. If you hit the "edit" button you can see what he wrote.

Here:

Edit History


Hans Riemer: Comment from a friend: "I just want to tell you that we have close friends in that neighborhood, and they and other neighbors there have been worrying FOR YEARS about the way this family let those kids wander around the urban environment alone (starting when the kids were much younger than they are now). I don't know if you know the family, but the neighborhood believes something is really "off" about this family and these kids may be in danger. Just because the press has made them out to be heroes doesn't mean the kids are safe. My two cents."
April 14 at 11:44am

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I looked at Riemer's FB page and then at the mother's FB page. I don't think it's appropriate for an elected official to be publicly bashing his own constituents based on rumor (even if it's accurate, which seems possible or even likely.) But the Meitiv woman's FB page also seems troubling. She's constantly trolling for $$. And posting about fights with the school secretary about where and how her 10yo can wait for his afterschool activities.

I have similarly aged kids in nearby MCPS elementary and this kind of thing never happens. Kids leave school every day and no one checks with whom. Kids hang around at times, and as long as they're not making a scene or causing trouble, no one would blink an eye at a kid waiting for a parent or an afterschool class, inside or outside. It also happens that this is neighborhood where tons of kids roam and no police ever intervene.

So I keep coming back to the question: why do the Meitivs experience so much difficulty with authorities and their children -- when no one else does? Is it that EVERYONE else is a helicopter parent? Or is it possible that the Meitivs are, for their own warped reasons, deliberately seeking out confrontations with the police (and the school secretary) in order to promote some ideological agenda?

Very interesting about the mother's interactions with the school secretary. I just read her posts and can't help but wonder: why is her son the only one wandering around? Are the other parents taking their kids home first and then back to the school? Does she not understand legal liability to the school if her kid injured himself roaming around the school by himself?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you read his page, be sure to scroll through the comments to see where Reimer posts (a few times) that neighbors in the area have repeatedly called the cops on the family for years since they've been allowing the free ranging since the younger one was a toddler. Toddler. That's according to neighbors who told Reimer.

Talk about hearsay. There was a comment where a neighbor called the family "odd," which has been taken down. Are you referring to another comment that has been taken down?

You guys don't know what hearsay is. If it's not being offered as evidence in a trial, it's not hearsay. There's nothing prohibiting him from posting it. By your logic every newspaper every day is publishing hearsay. Think, people.

Please. Hearsay is more than just a legal term:

"unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge."

And that's exactly what he did when he posted what a friend of his told him.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And if you read his page, be sure to scroll through the comments to see where Reimer posts (a few times) that neighbors in the area have repeatedly called the cops on the family for years since they've been allowing the free ranging since the younger one was a toddler. Toddler. That's according to neighbors who told Reimer.

Talk about hearsay. There was a comment where a neighbor called the family "odd," which has been taken down. Are you referring to another comment that has been taken down?

You guys don't know what hearsay is. If it's not being offered as evidence in a trial, it's not hearsay. There's nothing prohibiting him from posting it. By your logic every newspaper every day is publishing hearsay. Think, people.

Please. Hearsay is more than just a legal term:

"unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge."

And that's exactly what he did when he posted what a friend of his told him.

So what? It's only prohibited in court. Again, every newspaper publishes hearsay every day. You are spouting hearsay when you repeat what the Meitiv's say. Here's more hearsay: my kids are in bed. I'm saying it because my DH said so. So it's hearsay. If these people don't want to be talked about publicly, they should stop doing so much publicity!