Tell me about St Andrews in Scotland

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He thinks the UK is in better shape?

PP above forgot to mention that your reference needs to connect with your personal statement. It can be tricky for an American teacher to write.

UCAS has a guide for teachers that explains how to write a reference

Like a FCPS teacher has extra time to read that. If you’re coming from private, no problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous[b wrote:]It's not $60,000.

Tuition for Arts and Divinities is GBP 26,000 and for shared catered accommodation approximately GBP 7,000. That's $41,000.

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It is $60K for class of 2030. Freshman year $54K, Sohpomore $56K, Junior $58K and SEnior $60,333. https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/edu/199698/st-andrews-university/tuition/#:~:text=For%20the%20academic%20year%202021,year%202022%2D2023%20is%20%2430%2C750.

This is entirely wrong. The information on collegetuitioncompare.com there is just mined from the internet, rather than being written by a actual human. It's not a good source for any college.

It gets the St Andrews info wrong on various levels, but notably in one way as St Andrews tuition is locked in for all four years, existing students are not subjected to tuition raises, only new incoming students are, and their new rate is locked in for the duration of their studies.

For arts, sciences, and divinity degrees (medicine fees are a bit higher) the undergrad international tuition fees are £26k, in US dollars around $32k.

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/fees/feestable/

Dorm/food fees range from £4k to £10k. Private flats can be found well within that range.

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/study/accommodation/halls/fees/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have no idea why you would pay elite US private college tuition for a decent but random university in… rural Scotland? Of all places?

Oh come on now, troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous[b wrote:]It's not $60,000.

Tuition for Arts and Divinities is GBP 26,000 and for shared catered accommodation approximately GBP 7,000. That's $41,000.

It is $60K for class of 2030. Freshman year $54K, Sohpomore $56K, Junior $58K and SEnior $60,333. https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/edu/199698/st-andrews-university/tuition/#:~:text=For%20the%20academic%20year%202021,year%202022%2D2023%20is%20%2430%2C750.

This is entirely wrong. The information on collegetuitioncompare.com there is just mined from the internet, rather than being written by a actual human. It's not a good source for any college.

It gets the St Andrews info wrong on various levels, but notably in one way as St Andrews tuition is locked in for all four years, existing students are not subjected to tuition raises, only new incoming students are, and their new rate is locked in for the duration of their studies.

For arts, sciences, and divinity degrees (medicine fees are a bit higher) the undergrad international tuition fees are £26k, in US dollars around $32k.

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/fees/feestable/

Dorm/food fees range from £4k to £10k. Private flats can be found well within that range.

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/study/accommodation/halls/fees/

And once again you are citing only tuition, dorm, food, not all the other fees. So you don't want to listen. OK. don't.

[Anonymous]

From St. Andrews's own cite in American dollars: $59,632.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous[b wrote:]It's not $60,000.

Tuition for Arts and Divinities is GBP 26,000 and for shared catered accommodation approximately GBP 7,000. That's $41,000.

It is $60K for class of 2030. Freshman year $54K, Sohpomore $56K, Junior $58K and SEnior $60,333. https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/edu/199698/st-andrews-university/tuition/#:~:text=For%20the%20academic%20year%202021,year%202022%2D2023%20is%20%2430%2C750.

This is entirely wrong. The information on collegetuitioncompare.com there is just mined from the internet, rather than being written by a actual human. It's not a good source for any college.

It gets the St Andrews info wrong on various levels, but notably in one way as St Andrews tuition is locked in for all four years, existing students are not subjected to tuition raises, only new incoming students are, and their new rate is locked in for the duration of their studies.

For arts, sciences, and divinity degrees (medicine fees are a bit higher) the undergrad international tuition fees are £26k, in US dollars around $32k.

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/students/money/fees/feestable/

Dorm/food fees range from £4k to £10k. Private flats can be found well within that range.

https://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/study/accommodation/halls/fees/

And once again you are citing only tuition, dorm, food, not all the other fees. So you don't want to listen. OK. don't.

What other fees? There's a one time fee of 2k which accounts for four years of health coverage on the UK national health service. that fee doesn't repeat. Full year of travel to from/school has never been more than 2k.

To be honest I'm pretty sure I know what I pay for DS's St Andrews tuition, and any way you measure it, its tens of thousands of dollars less than tuition for my other two, both full pay tuition, one at a t30 private research university and one at a nescac liberal arts college.

It's a bargain outright, and even more so when I look at the quality of the st andrews experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From St. Andrews's own cite in American dollars: $59,632.

The conversion rate is off. Basically, on the static St. Andrews page it converts 40,000 pounds to dollars and equals $60,000, the current conversion would be $50,000. Granted the price has gone up a little, but the conversation is still less.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no idea why you would pay elite US private college tuition for a decent but random university in… rural Scotland? Of all places?

Oh come on now, troll.

It’s a completely legitimate and valid question.

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What is the acceptance rate for kids from the United States?

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/unconditional_vs_conditional_off#incoming-2168894

Seems like a lot!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:St Andrews is a good school. Probably would be around T50 - T75 if it were in the States, for some context.

Agreed. It would be like a T50-T75 in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The St Andrews haters on this thread are DEDICATED, unsure what's in it for them really

+1

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Anonymous wrote:St Andrews has a strange reputation in the UK. I grew up in Scotland and went to a strong academic high school. I don’t know anyone from my school who applied there. The top students tried for Oxbridge, Edinburgh or Imperial Collage. That said, I had an old English friend who was very excited to go there. It’s almost as if it was outside the Scottish university system, and was seen as a place for English ‘Oxbridge rejects’ (public - in the British sense - school kids who couldn’t get into Oxbridge and who applied to other universities deemed prestigious). The fact that it was in this category puts amongst a strong peer group (Durham, Bristol, etc). Take this with a large pinch of salt, as I left high school 30 years ago, and it’s possible that it’s reputation has improved significantly, but I would still say that it’s seen in the UK as a significant step down from Oxford and Cambridge (everywhere is in reputation terms), and in Scotland as below Edinburgh, but it’s seen as a top 10 uni.

I'm from the UK and agree with all of this, except that I wouldn't say it's seen as a top 10 uni. It's not Russell Group and certainly in my school, it was somewhere you would go if you couldn't get into a Russell Group uni. I'm baffled by any ranking that puts it at the top! For an American, though, probably it's an advantage that people have heard of it as I sense that more people know it than know say, Bristol University.

+1 another Brit here and also agree. St. Andrews was considered a bit of a joke for the not very bright "hooray henrys" coming from posh schools and wealthy families but not really having a lot of brain cells. Compounded by William Windsor's attendance but then that also made it very popular...so

I lived in the UK for many years. Completely agree. There are many more that are considered better unis…. UCL, Durham, even Bath, Warwick, are considered better. But Americans have never heard of them so if a kid can’t get into Oxbridge or LSE, it’s St Andrews. Which is the equivalent of Penn State honestly in that is has name recognition by the average homosapien, but that doesn’t mean its a good education.

When were you in the UK? You may have missed the St Andrews massive expansion and rankings rise. 3k to 10k students, more research, faculty etc—all since the 1990s. The rankings rise is since the 2000s, but St Andrews has the highest standards in the UK besides oxbridge, not Durham, UCL, Bath etc.

I came back spring of last year. lived there for five years. So yup I was there PP had a spouse who taught A levels and supported the UCAS application process for students ... not One child in my DCs international school applied to St. Andrews… Kings College, Durham, Loughborough, Edinborough, Oxbridge,Exeter even….. your claims are delusional … but I’m sure you believe them to be true.

I don't think PP is delusional. No matter which UK university ranking table you use, St. Andrews ranks within the top 5 overall, and has one of the highest entry standards and UCAS tariffs in the UK.

https://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings?tabletype=full-table&sortby=entry-standards

This is roughly what all the UK newspapers’ various UK University Guides have said in recent years.

Its a good school, but cold and wet like the rest of the UK. That far north the winter daylight is much shorter than in London.

[Anonymous]

DC graduated from W&M and St Andrews joint degree program recently. Both schools were great educational experiences but vastly different. No multiple choice exams at St Andrews. You need to know your subject and be able to clearly articulate your knowledge or solve problems depending on major. DC was readily employable at a multinational firm.

St Andrews provides a great experience and yes rankings are subjective but Stoxbridge will become part of the lexicon.

[Anonymous]

From a proud alum, but pretty accurately captures the St Andrews experience https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGcNswofnOU

[Anonymous]

Seems to appeal to an American who did not get into any T20 schools because it has a low international acceptance rate (<10%). If they dug further they would discover the acceptance rate for American students is more like 50%. How prestigious is that?

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/unconditional_vs_conditional_off#incoming-2168894