Ben Carson: Islamophobe of the Day

[Anonymous]

^^

I also think that Cheney should be tried for war crimes.

[Anonymous]

Interesting article on Japan and their position with not allowing Muslims:

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/the-land-without-muslims/2013/05/19/0/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No, in fact I am leaving the left as they are destroying this country by lacking any common sense or critical thinking skills!

I'm seriously considering leaving the left too. Our open-door immigration policies have added nothing positive to this nation. And now we've developed such a fear of insulting anyone that we continue to put our national safety at risk. Cue the insults, DCUM, but this life long liberal will probably hold her nose and vote R in the next election. And I'm not alone.

+1

I'm done.

+3
Registered Independent who has voted Democrat almost every single election cycle. Now that my gay friends have their rights, I'm done too. Coming to this board and seeing the absolute nastiness, the classless name calling and lack of basic common sense from the left has cemented it! Keep it up DCUM, you are creating more Republican voters by the day!

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, in fact I am leaving the left as they are destroying this country by lacking any common sense or critical thinking skills!

I'm seriously considering leaving the left too. Our open-door immigration policies have added nothing positive to this nation. And now we've developed such a fear of insulting anyone that we continue to put our national safety at risk. Cue the insults, DCUM, but this life long liberal will probably hold her nose and vote R in the next election. And I'm not alone.

+1

I'm done.

+3
Registered Independent who has voted Democrat almost every single election cycle. Now that my gay friends have their rights, I'm done too. Coming to this board and seeing the absolute nastiness, the classless name calling and lack of basic common sense from the left has cemented it! Keep it up DCUM, you are creating more Republican voters by the day!

You guys should all vote for Trump. He is never nasty and never calls people names.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, in fact I am leaving the left as they are destroying this country by lacking any common sense or critical thinking skills!

I'm seriously considering leaving the left too. Our open-door immigration policies have added nothing positive to this nation. And now we've developed such a fear of insulting anyone that we continue to put our national safety at risk. Cue the insults, DCUM, but this life long liberal will probably hold her nose and vote R in the next election. And I'm not alone.

+1

I'm done.

+3
Registered Independent who has voted Democrat almost every single election cycle. Now that my gay friends have their rights, I'm done too. Coming to this board and seeing the absolute nastiness, the classless name calling and lack of basic common sense from the left has cemented it! Keep it up DCUM, you are creating more Republican voters by the day!

G'bye.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

No, in fact I am leaving the left as they are destroying this country by lacking any common sense or critical thinking skills!

I'm seriously considering leaving the left too. Our open-door immigration policies have added nothing positive to this nation. And now we've developed such a fear of insulting anyone that we continue to put our national safety at risk. Cue the insults, DCUM, but this life long liberal will probably hold her nose and vote R in the next election. And I'm not alone.

+1

I'm done.

+3
Registered Independent who has voted Democrat almost every single election cycle. Now that my gay friends have their rights, I'm done too. Coming to this board and seeing the absolute nastiness, the classless name calling and lack of basic common sense from the left has cemented it! Keep it up DCUM, you are creating more Republican voters by the day!

You guys should all vote for Trump. He is never nasty and never calls people names.

That is the worst response you've ever posted. I'm disappointed.

And I'm going to +1 my post!

[Anonymous]

“the only religion that acts like the mafia, that will fucking kill you if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book.”

can we not find some other people to lead? do we really want to follow Islam down the rabbit hole.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:
Can you state specifically which polices a Muslim candidate in the US is likely to expose based on her religion that you would oppose? Is it the praying five times a day that you believe would be disqualifying? The chance that the President might go on the Haj? Is it the charity that the President would demonstrate? The fasting? Or, her simple profession of faith? I am having a really difficult time understanding why all Muslims should be unconstitutionally barred from the Presidency.

NP here

I'll give a simple example. Muslims due to religious reasons do not consume pork. If they supported a policy banning or restricting pork products I would be opposed. It really boils down to how willing said person is to imposing their believes onto the general public. Nothing wrong with them practicing their believes as an individual. There is only an issue when/if they impose their religious beliefs onto the general public.

Jews have the same restriction. Do you oppose Jewish presidents? Catholics are not supposed to eat meat on Friday. If you like to eat meat on Friday, do you oppose Catholic presidents?

Again, if an individual candidate espouses positions that you oppose, don't vote for him. What I don't understand is that Ben Carson and many posters here oppose a Muslim candidate regardless of any political positions that candidate had simply due to her religion.

Your not getting it are you. I'm not oppose if they practice those beliefs on a personal level. I oppose them imposing those beliefs upon the general public. So yes, I oppose any individual who puts religion above the common good no matter the Religion.

Are you saying it is OK for a President to put religion above the common good? To impose their beliefs onto the general public? I hope not.

No. Where did you ever get the idea that I support putting religion above the common good? You must be making the assumption that all Muslims would put religion above the common good. I do not think that is true. Why do you seem to think it is true? What I oppose is having one standard for Muslims and one standard for everyone else. If you have one standard, then you and I are on the same page. I don't know why you would think that we have a disagreement.

Read my comments above, they answer your questions. I'm beginning to believe you are the bigot here. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You keep flip flopping between opining about individual belief levels and Religion itself. They are not the same thing. And to try to make a comparison between the two is idiotic. So I'll say this again, hopefully it sinks in this time. I'm only concerned about an individual putting religion above common sense, no matter the religion. Get it???????

If not, then start another thread that compares just religions and their political acceptance levels. Take the individual element out of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“the only religion that acts like the mafia, that will fucking kill you if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book.”

can we not find some other people to lead? do we really want to follow Islam down the rabbit hole.

Seems to me that for hundreds and hundreds of years, that too was the legacy of the Catholic church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“the only religion that acts like the mafia, that will fucking kill you if you say the wrong thing, draw the wrong picture or write the wrong book.”

can we not find some other people to lead? do we really want to follow Islam down the rabbit hole.

Seems to me that for hundreds and hundreds of years, that too was the legacy of the Catholic church.

Is it still that way today? And does it make it ok?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
Read my comments above, they answer your questions. I'm beginning to believe you are the bigot here. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You keep flip flopping between opining about individual belief levels and Religion itself. They are not the same thing. And to try to make a comparison between the two is idiotic. So I'll say this again, hopefully it sinks in this time. I'm only concerned about an individual putting religion above common sense, no matter the religion. Get it???????

If not, then start another thread that compares just religions and their political acceptance levels. Take the individual element out of it.

This response really doesn't seem to fit the discussion it followed. Are you sure that you read my post?

This conversation began with me asking for examples of polices that a Muslim President might espouse that were unacceptable. The example provided was a hypothetical restriction on eating pork. I asked if you have the same concern about a Jewish President. Both religions have the same restriction. It is not clear to me why you would not treat both hypothetical examples similarly.

You say you are only concerned about an individual putting religion above common sense (I believe you mean common good). If that is the case, do you have this concern about members of all religions, or just those who practice Islam? If it is about members of all religions, we are on the same page. But, then I am not sure why you are debating me.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and why Jeff, do you need to label anyone and everyone who does not agree with you narrow views a bigot, racist, ignorant, unintelligent etc....that is not being very "PC" you know!

When a poster makes a bigoted statement and even says, "If that makes me a racist, so be it", it is appropriate to call them a bigot. Such posters are quite comfortable with their prejudice. Why are you objecting? I assume the fact that it is "not PC" doesn't bother you either because you are probably proud to demonstrate that you are not PC.

What would you say about people who wrote about other religions the way Islam is being written about here?

Here is a great statement that I came across today:

"It is very important to remember, however, that there are 1.4 billion Muslims in the world and to paint them with a single philosophical brush is just as absurd as trying to characterize the diverse thinking of billions of Christians around the world."

That was written by Ben Carson in 2012, before he entered the hate Olympics known as the Republican Primary.

I'm beginning to realize that you don't realize that your opinions are just that. You actually think you are 100% correct about everything you say.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone been struck by the irony of organizations like CAIR demanding that Carson should withdraw from seeking the nomination because of his statement about excluding Muslims since that is contrary to the constitution?

Of course, they happily ignore the fact that Carson was exercising his first amendment right to express his opinion.

The way one resolves this is for Carson to continue to seek the nomination if he so wishes and those who find his viewpoint objectionable just don't vote for him.

It is the way things work in a democracy.

Carson's position is that if your beliefs are inconsistent with the Constitution, you should not be President. Carson's belief that there should be a religious test in order to be President is inconsistent with the Constitution. Therefore, Carson is ineligible to be President based on his own criteria. I can't speak for CAIR, but I think Carson should withdraw in order to show his commitment to his own beliefs. But, in lieu of his withdrawing, I am quite happy to see Carson get stomped in the primary. He has already fallen behind Fiorina.

I guess when Christianity declares Jihad on America, we can make those judgment calls - which is what Carson was doing. Islam is indeed non-compatible with the Constitution. If it wasn't, they would not be trying to set up Sharia law here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

No, in fact I am leaving the left as they are destroying this country by lacking any common sense or critical thinking skills!

I'm seriously considering leaving the left too. Our open-door immigration policies have added nothing positive to this nation. And now we've developed such a fear of insulting anyone that we continue to put our national safety at risk. Cue the insults, DCUM, but this life long liberal will probably hold her nose and vote R in the next election. And I'm not alone.

+1

I'm done.

You both are not alone. I'm hearing this a lot!

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:and why Jeff, do you need to label anyone and everyone who does not agree with you narrow views a bigot, racist, ignorant, unintelligent etc....that is not being very "PC" you know!

When a poster makes a bigoted statement and even says, "If that makes me a racist, so be it", it is appropriate to call them a bigot. Such posters are quite comfortable with their prejudice. Why are you objecting? I assume the fact that it is "not PC" doesn't bother you either because you are probably proud to demonstrate that you are not PC.

What would you say about people who wrote about other religions the way Islam is being written about here?

Here is a great statement that I came across today:

"It is very important to remember, however, that there are 1.4 billion Muslims in the world and to paint them with a single philosophical brush is just as absurd as trying to characterize the diverse thinking of billions of Christians around the world."

That was written by Ben Carson in 2012, before he entered the hate Olympics known as the Republican Primary.

I'm beginning to realize that you don't realize that your opinions are just that. You actually think you are 100% correct about everything you say.

I realized long ago that you don't know the meaning of "opinion". You seem to believe that if something is an "opinion", it is off-limits for discussion. If someone says, "In my opinion, all Klingons are low-life thugs", we are not required to simply smile and say, "I respect your opinion". We are free to say that your opinion is wrong because there are Klingons who are not low-life thugs.

As Ben Carson wrote, "there are 1.4 billion Muslims in the world and to paint them with a single philosophical brush is just as absurd as trying to characterize the diverse thinking of billions of Christians around the world.". That is factual. Posters who are trying to do such painting are simply wrong. Whether it is their opinion that a diverse group can be painted with a single brush or they believe it is fact that this diverse group can be painted with a single brush is immaterial. They are wrong either way. It shouldn't take a brain surgeon to point that out.