Science channel's "Biblical Mysteries Explained"
![[Post New]](/jforum/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif){kind=icon}
Anonymous
| Boy, for a few people who said you didn't want to derail this thread I'd hate to see what would happen if you actually meant to do it. |
Anonymous
|
And one more
http://www.ayubhamid.com/clarifications/646-allaahs-first-command-to-the-prophet-iqra There were only a few people in Makkah who could read and write. Learning opportunities were not available to everyone, much less to an orphan like Prophet Mu?ammad ?all-Allaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam. Thus, the Prophet did not have an opportunity to obtain reading and writing skills. However, he had a very reflective mind, keenly thinking through the matters he encountered. Thus, in addition to being known for his impeccable reputation of trustworthiness and honesty, he was also respected for his insight and wisdom. When he was thirty five years old, the parties involved in the reconstruction of Ka‘bah disputed on the right to install the black stone. The dispute was on the brink of turning into a bloody multi-clan war, when they decided to seek arbitration. It so happened that the Prophet was chosen to be the arbitrator. All parties to the dispute rejoiced and expressed their utmost confidence in him at his serendipitous appointment. They were even happier with the way he settled the dispute to the satisfaction of everyone involved. His reflections upon what he observed in his society made him concerned about many things that did not make sense or that were evil in nature. He could not stand the gross social injustices, prejudices and racial pride prevalent in society. On his own, he would try to help the weak and the victims of injustices, along with cooperating with others in doing so, but he never thought of heading a movement to change the society. Similarly, he could not understand why people would make idols with their own hands and revere those lifeless, helpless things as gods or partners of God. His reflections on the universe and nature led him to the conclusion that this universe must be the creation of One Creator Who must be Unique and Infinite. He would retreat to the solitude of a cave called Hiraa and worship Him, but once again, he had no inclination towards becoming a preacher for convincing others of worshipping only that One God. However, Allaah had different plans for him which the Prophet had no inkling about. Allaah was preparing him to start a movement under His guidance to address and correct all those issues, but he had not been informed of that plan as yet. When he was forty-and-a-half years old, Allaah decided to inform him of this plan and instructed him to start the movement. This happened during one of the Prophet’s stays in the cave of Hiraa. One night a stranger appeared in the cave unexpectedly. The Prophet was naturally startled and scared. It was angel Jibreel (Gabriel) in human form, who brought the following words of Allaah as a command for him to proclaim the Islamic message to people: 1 Recite to people in the name of your Lord Who created – 2 created people from clinging clots. 3 Recite to people and your Lord is Most Generous, 4 Who taught by the pen, 5 taught man what he knew not[1]. When the angel recited Allaah’s words and said, “Recite to people in the name of your Lord”, the Prophet responded with fear and anxiety, “I am not a reciter (or orator)”, implying that he lacked the disposition and experience necessary for the responsibility being given to him. Jibreel hugged him tightly[2], released him from the hug and repeated the revelation. The refusal and hugging happened three times, each time Jibreel’s hug becoming stronger to the point of the Prophet’s exhaustion, indicating that the Prophet had no option but to submit to the directive. After the third hug, the Prophet surrendered to the command and Jibreel completed the revelation. However, as soon as Jibreel disappeared, the Prophet rushed home, where his wife, Khadijah, consoled her terrified and trembling husband. The Prophet was like Moosa (Moses) in many respects. Here is another similarity in their reaction when told about their mission. Moosa goes up the mountain to fetch fire, but has a surprise encounter whereby Allaah commands him to start the Islamic mission. He responds that he is not a good orator, thus this responsibility should be given to someone else such as his brother Haroon (Aaron). Then, after some reluctance, he accepts the responsibility like the Prophet did. It is evident that the first revelation was to inform the Prophet and the world that he was thereby commanded to start the Islamic movement proclaiming the message of Allaah to all people in His name. Thus, “Iqra” is the command to recite the Qur-aan to people and to proclaim the Islamic message. Many people translate this command as “Read!” whereby the implied concept is as if someone reads a book for his personal information and knowledge. This is a gross misinterpretation of the first revelation. First of all, throughout the Qur-aan wherever this word has been used in any of its forms in relation to the Qur-aan itself, it has consistently been used to proclaim or recite it aloud to others. Following are the verses that use different forms of the same word that was used to command the Prophet in the first revelation: When the Qur-aan is recited (quri-a) aloud, listen to it attentively and keep quiet so that you are shown mercy (7:204). And when you recite the Qur-aan to people (Qara’ta), We place between you and those who do not believe in the hereafter a hidden barrier (17:45). And it is a Qur-aan which We have revealed in portions so that you may recite it to people (li-taqra’a) at intervals, and We have revealed it by successive revelations (17:106). Had We revealed it to any of the non-Arabs, and had he recited it to them (fa-qara’a), they would not have believed in it (26:199). Therefore, when We have recited it (qara’naahu), follow its recital (Quraanahu) (75:18). When the Qur-aan is recited to them (quri-a), they do not prostrate (84:21). These examples clearly establish the true meaning of Iqra – calling others to Islam through the Qur-aan. Those who continue to insist on interpreting it as if reading a book for personal knowledge, they should consider the following points: Why would Allaah ask the Prophet to read, when He knew that the Prophet did not know how to read[3]? Does Allaah command something that is beyond the capability of a person? Or was Allaah commanding the Prophet to learn to read? In any case, the Prophet obviously disobeyed Allaah SWT because he never fulfilled this command to read or to acquire reading skills throughout his life. Is such an impractical command from Allaah or such disobedience from His messenger possible? Was the mission of the Prophet to proclaim the message of Islam to people or was it to read? If it was the former, would Allaah not tell him in the first revelation what he is supposed to do, instead of telling him something that he was not to do all his life? The reality is that the first revelation was to tell the Prophet and the world that he has been commanded to recite to people in the name of his Lord, the Creator, the Qur-aan as it is revealed. Then, in the second revelation, the first seven verses of Al-Muddaththir, this command was further explained. And the Prophet obeyed the command in the most excellent manner. Some people may feel that the mention of “He taught by pen” supports the “Read!” view of the “Iqra” command. This can be cleared up by reflecting on the message of these verses as follows: The first verse instructs him that when he delivers the message, he should deliver it in the name of Allaah, his Lord, saying “In the name of Allaah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful”. This instruction indicates that Allaah was known to the Prophet as his Lord, before this revelation. That is why no introduction of the Lord was needed. This instruction was important so that the listeners know that what they are being presented is the Word of their Creator and Lord so they must take it seriously and submissively and should not disregard it as something frivolous or should not disrespect it with jokes or opposition. This is also in accordance with what Allaah SWT told Moosa (Moses)AS about the Prophet that: ”If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy 18:19) After mentioning Allaah SWT in the first verse as the Creator of everything, the second verse specifically talks about human creation and the humble beginning of every human being as a zygote. When people grow up and develop through the sophisticated and wonderful system that Allaah has created, they defy His commands, rebel against Him and associate partners with Him. Thus, they need to be invited to reflect on the role of their Creator, and to be reminded of Him and His message. The third verse reiterates the command for the Prophet to proclaim Allaah‘s message and links it to Allaah‘s generosity and favour towards mankind. It is indeed a great mercy and favour of Allaah SWT that He appoints His messengers to guide human beings towards the right path. It is also His great favour and mercy that human beings have been taught the art of using the pen and writing to preserve whatever they learn for future reference and teaching. This knowledge accumulated through writing is the main foundation for human progress and advancement. It is this ability to write with the pen that will document Allaah‘s Word recited to people by the Prophet and make the illiterate Arabs the bestowers of knowledge and literacy to the world.[4] Now that the meaning has been clarified, people may wonder why most of the speakers and scholars continue to misquote or misinterpret these verses. The problem is that people take something in isolation, give it a meaning that fits their current thinking, then everyone accepts it at face value and runs with it without doing any due diligence as to the correctness of its meaning. Whether it is scholars or the audience, people continue to regurgitate whatever becomes tradition, without giving much thought to its veracity. |
Anonymous
Yep, people may sure wonder. |
Anonymous
|
And one more with proper bolding - since this is quite long
http://www.ayubhamid.com/clarifications/646-allaahs-first-command-to-the-prophet-iqra There were only a few people in Makkah who could read and write. Learning opportunities were not available to everyone, much less to an orphan like Prophet Mu?ammad ?all-Allaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam. Thus, the Prophet did not have an opportunity to obtain reading and writing skills. However, he had a very reflective mind, keenly thinking through the matters he encountered. Thus, in addition to being known for his impeccable reputation of trustworthiness and honesty, he was also respected for his insight and wisdom. When he was thirty five years old, the parties involved in the reconstruction of Ka‘bah disputed on the right to install the black stone. The dispute was on the brink of turning into a bloody multi-clan war, when they decided to seek arbitration. It so happened that the Prophet was chosen to be the arbitrator. All parties to the dispute rejoiced and expressed their utmost confidence in him at his serendipitous appointment. They were even happier with the way he settled the dispute to the satisfaction of everyone involved. His reflections upon what he observed in his society made him concerned about many things that did not make sense or that were evil in nature. He could not stand the gross social injustices, prejudices and racial pride prevalent in society. On his own, he would try to help the weak and the victims of injustices, along with cooperating with others in doing so, but he never thought of heading a movement to change the society. Similarly, he could not understand why people would make idols with their own hands and revere those lifeless, helpless things as gods or partners of God. His reflections on the universe and nature led him to the conclusion that this universe must be the creation of One Creator Who must be Unique and Infinite. He would retreat to the solitude of a cave called Hiraa and worship Him, but once again, he had no inclination towards becoming a preacher for convincing others of worshipping only that One God. However, Allaah had different plans for him which the Prophet had no inkling about. Allaah was preparing him to start a movement under His guidance to address and correct all those issues, but he had not been informed of that plan as yet. When he was forty-and-a-half years old, Allaah decided to inform him of this plan and instructed him to start the movement. This happened during one of the Prophet’s stays in the cave of Hiraa. One night a stranger appeared in the cave unexpectedly. The Prophet was naturally startled and scared. It was angel Jibreel (Gabriel) in human form, who brought the following words of Allaah as a command for him to proclaim the Islamic message to people: 1 Recite to people in the name of your Lord Who created – 2 created people from clinging clots. 3 Recite to people and your Lord is Most Generous, 4 Who taught by the pen, 5 taught man what he knew not[1]. When the angel recited Allaah’s words and said, “Recite to people in the name of your Lord”, the Prophet responded with fear and anxiety, “I am not a reciter (or orator)”, implying that he lacked the disposition and experience necessary for the responsibility being given to him. Jibreel hugged him tightly[2], released him from the hug and repeated the revelation. The refusal and hugging happened three times, each time Jibreel’s hug becoming stronger to the point of the Prophet’s exhaustion, indicating that the Prophet had no option but to submit to the directive. After the third hug, the Prophet surrendered to the command and Jibreel completed the revelation. However, as soon as Jibreel disappeared, the Prophet rushed home, where his wife, Khadijah, consoled her terrified and trembling husband. The Prophet was like Moosa (Moses) in many respects. Here is another similarity in their reaction when told about their mission. Moosa goes up the mountain to fetch fire, but has a surprise encounter whereby Allaah commands him to start the Islamic mission. He responds that he is not a good orator, thus this responsibility should be given to someone else such as his brother Haroon (Aaron). Then, after some reluctance, he accepts the responsibility like the Prophet did. It is evident that the first revelation was to inform the Prophet and the world that he was thereby commanded to start the Islamic movement proclaiming the message of Allaah to all people in His name. Thus, “Iqra” is the command to recite the Qur-aan to people and to proclaim the Islamic message. Many people translate this command as “Read!” whereby the implied concept is as if someone reads a book for his personal information and knowledge. This is a gross misinterpretation of the first revelation. First of all, throughout the Qur-aan wherever this word has been used in any of its forms in relation to the Qur-aan itself, it has consistently been used to proclaim or recite it aloud to others. Following are the verses that use different forms of the same word that was used to command the Prophet in the first revelation: When the Qur-aan is recited (quri-a) aloud, listen to it attentively and keep quiet so that you are shown mercy (7:204). And when you recite the Qur-aan to people (Qara’ta), We place between you and those who do not believe in the hereafter a hidden barrier (17:45). And it is a Qur-aan which We have revealed in portions so that you may recite it to people (li-taqra’a) at intervals, and We have revealed it by successive revelations (17:106). Had We revealed it to any of the non-Arabs, and had he recited it to them (fa-qara’a), they would not have believed in it (26:199). Therefore, when We have recited it (qara’naahu), follow its recital (Quraanahu) (75:18). When the Qur-aan is recited to them (quri-a), they do not prostrate (84:21). These examples clearly establish the true meaning of Iqra – calling others to Islam through the Qur-aan. Those who continue to insist on interpreting it as if reading a book for personal knowledge, they should consider the following points: Why would Allaah ask the Prophet to read, when He knew that the Prophet did not know how to read[3]? Does Allaah command something that is beyond the capability of a person? Or was Allaah commanding the Prophet to learn to read? In any case, the Prophet obviously disobeyed Allaah SWT because he never fulfilled this command to read or to acquire reading skills throughout his life. Is such an impractical command from Allaah or such disobedience from His messenger possible? Was the mission of the Prophet to proclaim the message of Islam to people or was it to read? If it was the former, would Allaah not tell him in the first revelation what he is supposed to do, instead of telling him something that he was not to do all his life? The reality is that the first revelation was to tell the Prophet and the world that he has been commanded to recite to people in the name of his Lord, the Creator, the Qur-aan as it is revealed. Then, in the second revelation, the first seven verses of Al-Muddaththir, this command was further explained. And the Prophet obeyed the command in the most excellent manner. Some people may feel that the mention of “He taught by pen” supports the “Read!” view of the “Iqra” command. This can be cleared up by reflecting on the message of these verses as follows: The first verse instructs him that when he delivers the message, he should deliver it in the name of Allaah, his Lord, saying “In the name of Allaah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful”. This instruction indicates that Allaah was known to the Prophet as his Lord, before this revelation. That is why no introduction of the Lord was needed. This instruction was important so that the listeners know that what they are being presented is the Word of their Creator and Lord so they must take it seriously and submissively and should not disregard it as something frivolous or should not disrespect it with jokes or opposition. This is also in accordance with what Allaah SWT told Moosa (Moses)AS about the Prophet that: ”If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy 18:19) After mentioning Allaah SWT in the first verse as the Creator of everything, the second verse specifically talks about human creation and the humble beginning of every human being as a zygote. When people grow up and develop through the sophisticated and wonderful system that Allaah has created, they defy His commands, rebel against Him and associate partners with Him. Thus, they need to be invited to reflect on the role of their Creator, and to be reminded of Him and His message. The third verse reiterates the command for the Prophet to proclaim Allaah‘s message and links it to Allaah‘s generosity and favour towards mankind. It is indeed a great mercy and favour of Allaah SWT that He appoints His messengers to guide human beings towards the right path. It is also His great favour and mercy that human beings have been taught the art of using the pen and writing to preserve whatever they learn for future reference and teaching. This knowledge accumulated through writing is the main foundation for human progress and advancement. It is this ability to write with the pen that will document Allaah‘s Word recited to people by the Prophet and make the illiterate Arabs the bestowers of knowledge and literacy to the world.[4] Now that the meaning has been clarified, people may wonder why most of the speakers and scholars continue to misquote or misinterpret these verses. The problem is that people take something in isolation, give it a meaning that fits their current thinking, then everyone accepts it at face value and runs with it without doing any due diligence as to the correctness of its meaning. Whether it is scholars or the audience, people continue to regurgitate whatever becomes tradition, without giving much thought to its veracity. |
Anonymous
Lets move this to another thread. |
Anonymous
That does not make any sense at all. So Muhammad said to the Angel Gibreel that he would rather not recite, though, the Angel was squeezing his body so hard he could scarcely breathe, because he's not confident about his oratory skills? It would make more sense if the angel commanded him to read and, despite feeling his life could be in danger, had to protest, " But I can NOT read!" Because of this commandment, millions of children throughout the world learn how to read the Quran. If it was only necessary and not even recommended or required to read the Quran, they would simply memorize. When he or she can, a Muslim learns to read. And I am sorry but I do not find the source to be authoritative. The man who wrote this rubbish is an accountant and has no credentials in Islamic education. |
Anonymous
Yes, well, and regurgitate you did then. You simply parroted what the author, who is merely an accountant, not a well known scholar, wrote. It is meaningless to me. |
Anonymous
Who is the author??? What is his education? Is he a known Islamic scholar? |
Anonymous
Are you? |
Anonymous
|
To me, it makes total sense (if you believe in the whole story) that the angel would ask Muhammad to recite, and he would say - but I don't know what to recite!
The idea that the angel would tell him to read, knowing full well Muhammad was illiterate, is what makes no sense. What would he read? Did the angel brought a book with him? The fact of the matter is that "iqra" can be translated as "read", or as "recite", or as "say out loud or from memory". To understand what term is correct, you need to look at the context. This particular context veers toward "recite" to me. It's much more sensible that the angel would tell an illiterate man to repeat and remember the story so that he could recite it to his equally illiterate brethren later. And this is in fact what most Muslims do, as most Muslims don't speak or read Arabic, so they don't read the Quran, they recite aloud from memory. |
Anonymous
|
The only reason for this whole read vs recite is various PPs insistence that Muslims are highly recommended to read the Quran in Arabic. If one can't read it it in Arabic, one doesn't truly understand Islam. Therefore, all PPs on this and other threads are incompetent to opine on anything in the Quran or having to do with Islam because they do not read Arabic.
Various other PPs have pointed out that the vast majority of Muslims do not read Arabic, and this has been true since the inception of Islam. Illiteracy rates in the Arab world through the last century were very high. Few Muslims in non-Arab African or Asia countries can read Arabic, though millions of school children learn to recite the Quran. Nowhere in Islam would it be said that Muslim illiterates in Arabic cannot truly understand Islam. When this is pointed out, various PPs say of course one can be illiterate and understand Islam, But those people are Muslim so they get a pass from these PPs, even as they tell literate non-Muslim PPs who are quite versed in Islam and Islamic history that they can't possibly opine on anything in Islam because they don't read Arabic. And when one of these PPs who actually did know Arabic looked up one of the suras and found the Arabic did not support a Muslim PP's contention in the way she said it did but there was actually other support in the sura for Muslim PP's views, Muslim PP couldn't even acknowledge that maybe non-Muslim PP had provided a much better argument based on the Arabic. I guess that would be conceding the anathema that non-Muslim PP could be qualified to understand Islam. Slippery slope from there to conceding the other knowledgeable non-Muslim PPs may have actual command of the facts and are fit to opine. Can't have that happen. |
Anonymous
You are the one bringing the proof. At least it should be authoritative, otherwise I'll use my dear old grandma's opinion as authoritative proof too. |
Anonymous
Your knowledge about what Muslims do seems to be based on what uneducated people do in Muslim countries. In any country, if a Muslim is able to learn to read the Quran, he does. Sunday school classes and Islamic schools across the country are filled with children learning how to read the Quran. No one I know in this country simply memorizes. How do you know "most Muslims" anyhow if you are not Muslim? From my understanding, the Angel did bring a tablet. |
Anonymous
Regardless of what is happening in Muslim or Arab or NonArab countries, simply call a few Islamic schools in this country and even in other countries. You will learn that children are learning to READ the Quran there, not simply learning to memorize. I get that you want so badly to win this fight but it is a fact that it IS recommended Muslims learn to read the Quran in Arabic. Poor people may not have access or ability and Allah/God is merciful and would not punish them for lacking ability or access, but others should try and they do. Sorry, but this is truth. |
Anonymous
Think of all the various situations involving women at that time: 1) nonmuslim wives of newly converted muslim husband: christian and jewish wives may not be forced to convert so no compulsion for them to convert to Islam. Husband is considered guardian of faith in the family but must permit wife to practice her faith. Oath may be given to her if she wants admission to tribe and agrees to support the prophet. 2) pagan wife of newly converted muslim husband:the marriage can not last if wife refuses to convert to one of Abrahamic faiths. So she would not be given the oath to take. 3) newly converted muslim wife of pagan husband: This is the new situation. Before verse was revealed, these women were sent back to Mecca. God/Allah asked the prophet to not send these women back, but to simply question them to make sure they were muslim, then offer the oath, and admit them into the tribe. I'm not sure what your point is. 1) Do you have any proof that a christian or jewish wife could be administered the oath if she "agrees to support the prophet" without converting? Because that's not what the verses actually say. Moreover, the fact that christian and jewish women are "not forced to convert" isn't proof of anything like voting or political rights. It's just saying something like, "we won't force you to do something you don't want to do." Not that we're going to let you help run our community or give you anything like political rights. 2) So what if a pagan wife of a newly converted muslim isn't given the oath? And too bad for her, because her marriage gets dissolved - looks like she has no choice in that! But then, she's not a muslim or even a person of the Book, so she basically has no rights at all. I still don't get how this purity oath isn't a temporary exception, drawn up as a one-time expediency to address your situation #3. Viz, once she swears that she will conduct herself as a proper muslim wife, then she gets a proper muslim husband. And everything reverts to the normal guardianship situation, where her husband makes all the legal decisions on her behalf. This is quite different from granting permanent political rights. Did you read Dr. Jamal Badawi's answer about this? I posted his answer. He said the last sentence asks women to pledge they will support the Prophet in whatever he asks of them. Not using precise wording but I already posted it. That clearly is a catch-all phrase and has nothing to do with purity. I think the fact that the Prophet allowed women, even those without guardians and some with illegitimate children, to enter his tribe is a show of compassion and respect and forgiveness. In pre islamic times, a woman's pledge meant nothing because women were not respected. I know you are seeking that linear equality, the identical wording in the identical circumstance for men and women. This is the only kind of equality that matters to your western mindset. However, as was explained, Islam promotes a different kind of equality, the equality in the value of rights as opposed to identical rights. Islam promotes gender equity. Here, in the case of political involvement or voting, the oath was used frequently by the prophet for a variety of reasons. Every instance was not described in the Quran and the wording was not mentioned for every oath. Why should it be, if it was commonplace?? However, the migration of women without guardians from mecca to medina was a huge deal. It was a new situation and presented a problem. The Prophet needed guidance and thats when Allah/revealed this pledge for women. This doesn't mean men did not have a similar pledge. They may have. But this was worth mentioning because it was instructions on how to handle a new problem. So if you insist on finding linear equality, you will not find it to your satisfaction in the Quran. |