Western High School Renovations/Construction.

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Anonymous wrote:The school has two out buildings that are not being used. They could 100% remodel those out building to provide the additional space needed while maintaining most of the interior of the current building. Put the library on one floor of an out building. Use space there for an English wing or foreign language space or a history space. They could renovate those buildings without disturbing the school during the year and make the spaces that they need for clasrooms.

+1 A little common sense goes a long, long way.

DP. I’m not sure that spending a lot of money on security vestibules and hyperventilating about getting kids out of trailers or modulars at other schools really aligns with kids attending regular classes in the current shell buildings at Western but we all define common sense differently.

Have you seen the area? It is almost a private road.

It’s not exactly gated so the point stands: you’ve got some School Board members acting like modulars are a crime to justify boundary changes while meanwhile Western kids may end up routinely leaving the main building to attend classes in separate, detached buildings. There’s no consistency, just expediency.

I attended school in California where there were open campuses and we walked outside to different buidlings. It was fine. There is a difference between trailers and modulars, that are not long term building, and a detached building. Walking outside to a building for class is no big deal. Using trailers and modulars that are set up on campus to handle over crowding is a different situation.

This is not California but from a safety perspective there is little difference between a modular and any other building detached from the main building.

No, in California they build open schools because they can and it is less expensive to build those buildings. The weather allows it. The safety issues are real because there are more pathways into the school. Is there a safety issue with walking from the building to a detached building or modular? Sure. Is it that big of a deal, no.

The metal detectors at FCPS are bypassed daily, kids are letting their friends in at different doors to get around the traffic jams created at the main door. The metal detectors are performance theatre and that is it. School shooting are scary but they are still a rare event. I am not worried about walking between buildings because of the threat of a school shooting or weather mainly because they are rare events and I attended an open school and know thousands of kids who attend open schools today who have been fine.

Western has two perfectly functional buildings that can easily be incorporated into the school. Kids walk to modulars and trailers every day without incident, I am not worried about kids walking to detached buildings that are better constructed then modulars and trailers.

If you accept that logic, then we have to agree that they are wasting money on security vestibules and talking out of both sides of their mouths when they claim that modulars at others schools need to be eliminated. It’s irrelevant if the shell buildings at Western are better constructed. Their use will present the same security issues as any detached modular.

You people don’t pay attention.

Mateo Dunne said that the shell buildings will be used as administrative offices for FCPS, or as a preschool.

They have two, so one will serve as a Regional Office Building and the other as a Preschool/Daycare.

They won’t be used as core buildings.
Sadly, there are two courtyards I would close in at Western’s main building.

It has four courtyards, three in the 3-4 story part.

I would keep the center one open and form classrooms around a learning bay like at TJ, with bathrooms, workrooms, and whatever is needed in those bays.

I think that makes the most sense.

Put kids over courtyards.

That is one person. I have not heard anyone discuss what they are doing with those buildings. Suggesting that they are used for the school as classrooms is not unreasonable.

So there’s a road that is not a thoroughfare, but has the e potential to become one.

The school is surrounded by industrial buildings where semi trucks, utility vehicles, big vans, and other vehicles drive about.

I believe it would be pretty unreasonable if kids had to cross an industrial road to get to class.

Why do you k eep saying this? It's absolutely NOT true. There is no industry there, no semi trucks, utility vehicles, etc., and it is NOT a passthrough, nor are there any plans to make it one. STOP LYING YOU PSYCHOTIC FREAK.

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Anonymous wrote:The school has two out buildings that are not being used. They could 100% remodel those out building to provide the additional space needed while maintaining most of the interior of the current building. Put the library on one floor of an out building. Use space there for an English wing or foreign language space or a history space. They could renovate those buildings without disturbing the school during the year and make the spaces that they need for clasrooms.

+1 A little common sense goes a long, long way.

DP. I’m not sure that spending a lot of money on security vestibules and hyperventilating about getting kids out of trailers or modulars at other schools really aligns with kids attending regular classes in the current shell buildings at Western but we all define common sense differently.

Have you seen the area? It is almost a private road.

It’s not exactly gated so the point stands: you’ve got some School Board members acting like modulars are a crime to justify boundary changes while meanwhile Western kids may end up routinely leaving the main building to attend classes in separate, detached buildings. There’s no consistency, just expediency.

I attended school in California where there were open campuses and we walked outside to different buidlings. It was fine. There is a difference between trailers and modulars, that are not long term building, and a detached building. Walking outside to a building for class is no big deal. Using trailers and modulars that are set up on campus to handle over crowding is a different situation.

This is not California but from a safety perspective there is little difference between a modular and any other building detached from the main building.

No, in California they build open schools because they can and it is less expensive to build those buildings. The weather allows it. The safety issues are real because there are more pathways into the school. Is there a safety issue with walking from the building to a detached building or modular? Sure. Is it that big of a deal, no.

The metal detectors at FCPS are bypassed daily, kids are letting their friends in at different doors to get around the traffic jams created at the main door. The metal detectors are performance theatre and that is it. School shooting are scary but they are still a rare event. I am not worried about walking between buildings because of the threat of a school shooting or weather mainly because they are rare events and I attended an open school and know thousands of kids who attend open schools today who have been fine.

Western has two perfectly functional buildings that can easily be incorporated into the school. Kids walk to modulars and trailers every day without incident, I am not worried about kids walking to detached buildings that are better constructed then modulars and trailers.

If you accept that logic, then we have to agree that they are wasting money on security vestibules and talking out of both sides of their mouths when they claim that modulars at others schools need to be eliminated. It’s irrelevant if the shell buildings at Western are better constructed. Their use will present the same security issues as any detached modular.

You people don’t pay attention.

Mateo Dunne said that the shell buildings will be used as administrative offices for FCPS, or as a preschool.

They have two, so one will serve as a Regional Office Building and the other as a Preschool/Daycare.

They won’t be used as core buildings.
Sadly, there are two courtyards I would close in at Western’s main building.

It has four courtyards, three in the 3-4 story part.

I would keep the center one open and form classrooms around a learning bay like at TJ, with bathrooms, workrooms, and whatever is needed in those bays.

I think that makes the most sense.

Put kids over courtyards.

That is one person. I have not heard anyone discuss what they are doing with those buildings. Suggesting that they are used for the school as classrooms is not unreasonable.

So there’s a road that is not a thoroughfare, but has the e potential to become one.

The school is surrounded by industrial buildings where semi trucks, utility vehicles, big vans, and other vehicles drive about.

I believe it would be pretty unreasonable if kids had to cross an industrial road to get to class.

Why do you k eep saying this? It's absolutely NOT true. There is no industry there, no semi trucks, utility vehicles, etc., and it is NOT a passthrough, nor are there any plans to make it one. STOP LYING YOU PSYCHOTIC FREAK.

That person is a RIO mom in the 60% from Navy who signed the petition.

I think whatever FCPS does is fine.

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Anonymous wrote:The school has two out buildings that are not being used. They could 100% remodel those out building to provide the additional space needed while maintaining most of the interior of the current building. Put the library on one floor of an out building. Use space there for an English wing or foreign language space or a history space. They could renovate those buildings without disturbing the school during the year and make the spaces that they need for clasrooms.

+1 A little common sense goes a long, long way.

DP. I’m not sure that spending a lot of money on security vestibules and hyperventilating about getting kids out of trailers or modulars at other schools really aligns with kids attending regular classes in the current shell buildings at Western but we all define common sense differently.

Have you seen the area? It is almost a private road.

It’s not exactly gated so the point stands: you’ve got some School Board members acting like modulars are a crime to justify boundary changes while meanwhile Western kids may end up routinely leaving the main building to attend classes in separate, detached buildings. There’s no consistency, just expediency.

I attended school in California where there were open campuses and we walked outside to different buidlings. It was fine. There is a difference between trailers and modulars, that are not long term building, and a detached building. Walking outside to a building for class is no big deal. Using trailers and modulars that are set up on campus to handle over crowding is a different situation.

This is not California but from a safety perspective there is little difference between a modular and any other building detached from the main building.

No, in California they build open schools because they can and it is less expensive to build those buildings. The weather allows it. The safety issues are real because there are more pathways into the school. Is there a safety issue with walking from the building to a detached building or modular? Sure. Is it that big of a deal, no.

The metal detectors at FCPS are bypassed daily, kids are letting their friends in at different doors to get around the traffic jams created at the main door. The metal detectors are performance theatre and that is it. School shooting are scary but they are still a rare event. I am not worried about walking between buildings because of the threat of a school shooting or weather mainly because they are rare events and I attended an open school and know thousands of kids who attend open schools today who have been fine.

Western has two perfectly functional buildings that can easily be incorporated into the school. Kids walk to modulars and trailers every day without incident, I am not worried about kids walking to detached buildings that are better constructed then modulars and trailers.

If you accept that logic, then we have to agree that they are wasting money on security vestibules and talking out of both sides of their mouths when they claim that modulars at others schools need to be eliminated. It’s irrelevant if the shell buildings at Western are better constructed. Their use will present the same security issues as any detached modular.

You people don’t pay attention.

Mateo Dunne said that the shell buildings will be used as administrative offices for FCPS, or as a preschool.

They have two, so one will serve as a Regional Office Building and the other as a Preschool/Daycare.

They won’t be used as core buildings.
Sadly, there are two courtyards I would close in at Western’s main building.

It has four courtyards, three in the 3-4 story part.

I would keep the center one open and form classrooms around a learning bay like at TJ, with bathrooms, workrooms, and whatever is needed in those bays.

I think that makes the most sense.

Put kids over courtyards.

That is one person. I have not heard anyone discuss what they are doing with those buildings. Suggesting that they are used for the school as classrooms is not unreasonable.

So there’s a road that is not a thoroughfare, but has the e potential to become one.

The school is surrounded by industrial buildings where semi trucks, utility vehicles, big vans, and other vehicles drive about.

I believe it would be pretty unreasonable if kids had to cross an industrial road to get to class.

Why do you k eep saying this? It's absolutely NOT true. There is no industry there, no semi trucks, utility vehicles, etc., and it is NOT a passthrough, nor are there any plans to make it one. STOP LYING YOU PSYCHOTIC FREAK.

That person is a RIO mom in the 60% from Navy who signed the petition.

I think whatever FCPS does is fine.

Disagree. I think it is our "grumble grumble" person from Great Falls.
They have the ame point of view, though. Demean the school as much as possible in the hopes it will go away.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, that is not how they are choosing to use the satellite buildings.

I stopped typing too early.

They are using one as an Early Childhood Center and the other one as an administrative center.

Classrooms will be housed in the main building.

You know, the one with a pool and three gyms, huge robotic labs, professional science classrooms with massive vent hoods.

The one with the open learning bays and two cafeterias.

Yeah, not the POS shell buildings.

I know some one said they could do that early in the process but plans can change. It would be far less expensive to take one of those buildings and use it for additional classrooms and to house the library. It would be less disruptive and less expensive, both are good outcomes. If adding one building provides them the space they need, then they can use the second for an alternative purpose. The budget shortfall and the outcry about taking money from other CIP projects to take care of Western would be good reasons for them to shift plans from adding an admin center to a less expensive classroom build out.

I don’t think that anything has been set in stone.

Well, the building is of good size and standing to be reconfigured.

Say goodbye to your pool Karen Wheeler.

There is no way they would remove the pool - pools are in high demand. Not sure they need three gyms but unclear of how much space that creates. The school was made for 1200 students and cramming 2000-2200 into it is going to essentially require a doubling of everything. Make no sense to me. You may be able to get another 300 in outbuildings or trailers or the gym but that is about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Again, that is not how they are choosing to use the satellite buildings.

I stopped typing too early.

They are using one as an Early Childhood Center and the other one as an administrative center.

Classrooms will be housed in the main building.

You know, the one with a pool and three gyms, huge robotic labs, professional science classrooms with massive vent hoods.

The one with the open learning bays and two cafeterias.

Yeah, not the POS shell buildings.

I know some one said they could do that early in the process but plans can change. It would be far less expensive to take one of those buildings and use it for additional classrooms and to house the library. It would be less disruptive and less expensive, both are good outcomes. If adding one building provides them the space they need, then they can use the second for an alternative purpose. The budget shortfall and the outcry about taking money from other CIP projects to take care of Western would be good reasons for them to shift plans from adding an admin center to a less expensive classroom build out.

I don’t think that anything has been set in stone.

Well, the building is of good size and standing to be reconfigured.

Say goodbye to your pool Karen Wheeler.

There is no way they would remove the pool - pools are in high demand. Not sure they need three gyms but unclear of how much space that creates. The school was made for 1200 students and cramming 2000-2200 into it is going to essentially require a doubling of everything. Make no sense to me. You may be able to get another 300 in outbuildings or trailers or the gym but that is about it.

The one thing we know is that FCPS will lie about their intentions and the cost.

They put out release after release claiming this purchase would save FCPS $280 million. That was always a specious claim, but the numbers in the latest CIP show that even under their flawed logic the purported savings will be under $230 million. Most likely that number will continue to decline over the next few years.

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Yeah, a measly $230m. What losers. I spent that in a weekend at Vegas.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, a measly $230m. What losers. I spent that in a weekend at Vegas.

Don’t worry. That’s a fake number, too. Eventually the “savings” will be about what you bring to the table - so basically nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, a measly $230m. What losers. I spent that in a weekend at Vegas.

Don’t worry. That’s a fake number, too. Eventually the “savings” will be about what you bring to the table - so basically nothing.

The school solves a problem that needed a solution. They should have built this school years ago--when they sold/gave the property to the Saudis.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, a measly $230m. What losers. I spent that in a weekend at Vegas.

Don’t worry. That’s a fake number, too. Eventually the “savings” will be about what you bring to the table - so basically nothing.

The school solves a problem that needed a solution. They should have built this school years ago--when they sold/gave the property to the Saudis.

Perhaps they should have built it years ago but they didn’t and then they spent a lot of money expanding and planning to expand other schools since then.

Aren’t they still planning to build Centreville out to 3000? Why would they do that if Western is the “solution”? Seems like they pay no attention to allocating capital resources efficiently and that Reid still wants a quasi-magnet.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, a measly $230m. What losers. I spent that in a weekend at Vegas.

Don’t worry. That’s a fake number, too. Eventually the “savings” will be about what you bring to the table - so basically nothing.

The school solves a problem that needed a solution. They should have built this school years ago--when they sold/gave the property to the Saudis.

Yeah, why did we sell it to the Saudis anyway?

Bad decision!