How do you know if a breeder is really a puppy mill?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

I already posted about the rescue I adopted from. They charged me $350 to adopt a young purebred dog after they poured much more money than that into his neutering, dental cleaning, and deworming. They also provided me with a collar, muzzle, leash, toothbrush and dog toothpaste, and a week’s worth of food. Terrible business model.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

I already posted about the rescue I adopted from. They charged me $350 to adopt a young purebred dog after they poured much more money than that into his neutering, dental cleaning, and deworming. They also provided me with a collar, muzzle, leash, toothbrush and dog toothpaste, and a week’s worth of food. Terrible business model.

Maybe someone “deducted their house”, the surest way to fame and fortune!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

I already posted about the rescue I adopted from. They charged me $350 to adopt a young purebred dog after they poured much more money than that into his neutering, dental cleaning, and deworming. They also provided me with a collar, muzzle, leash, toothbrush and dog toothpaste, and a week’s worth of food. Terrible business model.

A young pure bread should not need dewormed and a cleaning. Andy your dog needs a muzzle….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

Nope, they are non-for-profits, and in order to qualify for that status - they should operate according to their stated mission.

Nonprofits are businesses and some of the owners take very large salaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

I already posted about the rescue I adopted from. They charged me $350 to adopt a young purebred dog after they poured much more money than that into his neutering, dental cleaning, and deworming. They also provided me with a collar, muzzle, leash, toothbrush and dog toothpaste, and a week’s worth of food. Terrible business model.

A young pure bread should not need dewormed and a cleaning. Andy your dog needs a muzzle….

He’s a retired racing greyhound. They all need to be dewormed because they all share the same turnout pen with all the other dogs at the track. He needed a dental cleaning because racers are fed a diet that’s optimized for lean muscle and speed, but it’s not great for teeth. Muzzles are commonly used for greyhounds for a variety of reasons. We’ve used ours in place of cones when our dog had an injury that needed to heal. Greyhounds have large necks and smaller heads, so it’s difficult to keep a cone on. The muzzle prevents them from licking wounds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

I already posted about the rescue I adopted from. They charged me $350 to adopt a young purebred dog after they poured much more money than that into his neutering, dental cleaning, and deworming. They also provided me with a collar, muzzle, leash, toothbrush and dog toothpaste, and a week’s worth of food. Terrible business model.

A young pure bread should not need dewormed and a cleaning. Andy your dog needs a muzzle….

Wait, are you saying that parasites prefer old mutts? Honestly, every dog should be muzzle trained, it's just good practice.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

Nope, they are non-for-profits, and in order to qualify for that status - they should operate according to their stated mission.

Nonprofits are businesses and some of the owners take very large salaries.

Well they don’t have owners, but they do have 990s and you can see the top paid employees.

I just looked up the rescue we got our dog from. The CEO’s salary was appropriate for a nonprofit of that size. If you have doubts about a rescue you should look it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

Nope, they are non-for-profits, and in order to qualify for that status - they should operate according to their stated mission.

Nonprofits are businesses and some of the owners take very large salaries.

Well they don’t have owners, but they do have 990s and you can see the top paid employees.

I just looked up the rescue we got our dog from. The CEO’s salary was appropriate for a nonprofit of that size. If you have doubts about a rescue you should look it up.

Again, its all about making money/business.

[Anonymous]

Designer dog mutts = unethical. Ethical breeders follow breed standards and don’t sell mutts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

I already posted about the rescue I adopted from. They charged me $350 to adopt a young purebred dog after they poured much more money than that into his neutering, dental cleaning, and deworming. They also provided me with a collar, muzzle, leash, toothbrush and dog toothpaste, and a week’s worth of food. Terrible business model.

A young pure bread should not need dewormed and a cleaning. Andy your dog needs a muzzle….

He’s a retired racing greyhound. They all need to be dewormed because they all share the same turnout pen with all the other dogs at the track. He needed a dental cleaning because racers are fed a diet that’s optimized for lean muscle and speed, but it’s not great for teeth. Muzzles are commonly used for greyhounds for a variety of reasons. We’ve used ours in place of cones when our dog had an injury that needed to heal. Greyhounds have large necks and smaller heads, so it’s difficult to keep a cone on. The muzzle prevents them from licking wounds.

I'm always amazed at how people think dogs should be allowed to race and that's ok. Sounds terrible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

I already posted about the rescue I adopted from. They charged me $350 to adopt a young purebred dog after they poured much more money than that into his neutering, dental cleaning, and deworming. They also provided me with a collar, muzzle, leash, toothbrush and dog toothpaste, and a week’s worth of food. Terrible business model.

A young pure bread should not need dewormed and a cleaning. Andy your dog needs a muzzle….

How to spot a clueless idiot: thinks young dogs don't need to be dewormed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Listen, the dog industry has done this to themselves. The rescue and “rescue” people have spent huge amounts of time and money telling people they’re bad for even considering a breeder, and the actual breeders have done everything they can to make it all opaque and difficult to navigate.

Nobody is helping average people find healthy, suitably puppies and the ethics and incentives and policy are all FUBAR.

Just do reasonable leg work, get a dog from somewhere and take care of it.

It just makes no sense that buying from a Mennonite breeder after trying to do some due diligence, with no help from dog advocacy groups, is unethical but paying Lucky Dog to ship up a puppy someone bred in their SC backyard is virtuous.

+100

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Here are the things that made us comfortable with our breeder:

1. She does genetic testing on the parents for all inherited conditions that are common to the breed and provided us with copies of their genetic tests. She doesn’t breed dogs that have or are carriers of the same condition and could produce a puppy with the condition.

2. She is registered with the AKC and is a trusted breeder on Good Dog, which means
she meets certain standards in terms of ethical breeding practices, environment and enrichment for the puppies, etc.

3. She provided detailed information about how she socializes her puppies. For example, they’re handled by people from a very early age and exposed to all sorts of sounds and experiences.

4. She runs a small breeding program
with dogs who are also her family’s pets and who compete in agility and conformation contests. She also runs a small family farm and her husband has a job that is unrelated to breeding or farming. So she seems to be doing this more because she enjoys it and to earn a little extra money than as a business.

5. She interviewed us in a lot of detail before agreeing to take our deposit and put us on the waiting list for one of her dogs.

6. Her dogs stay with their mother until they are 10 weeks old. She has a trainer do temperament testing on the dogs to gain a better understanding of their temperament before they are placed with families. While people can pick from the litter based on the order in which they placed a deposit, she recommends a specific dog for each family based on the qualities that would best match the family’s lifestyle. She was spot on in her recommendation for us! Our dog is three now and is a perfect fit for our family. I send her pictures once or twice a year and she always responds with a kind note about how happy she is to see her doing so well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

I already posted about the rescue I adopted from. They charged me $350 to adopt a young purebred dog after they poured much more money than that into his neutering, dental cleaning, and deworming. They also provided me with a collar, muzzle, leash, toothbrush and dog toothpaste, and a week’s worth of food. Terrible business model.

A young pure bread should not need dewormed and a cleaning. Andy your dog needs a muzzle….

He’s a retired racing greyhound. They all need to be dewormed because they all share the same turnout pen with all the other dogs at the track. He needed a dental cleaning because racers are fed a diet that’s optimized for lean muscle and speed, but it’s not great for teeth. Muzzles are commonly used for greyhounds for a variety of reasons. We’ve used ours in place of cones when our dog had an injury that needed to heal. Greyhounds have large necks and smaller heads, so it’s difficult to keep a cone on. The muzzle prevents them from licking wounds.

I'm always amazed at how people think dogs should be allowed to race and that's ok. Sounds terrible.

It is a sad life. So many injuries and deaths, they’re drugged, they spend a ton of time in their kennels, they sleep on shredded newspaper. In Australia, the industry is breeding 4 times as many dogs as they can rehome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have said it for a long time, modern day rescues are like puppy mills. You’re buying a dog from the rescue.

I see rescues shipping in dogs from other states or other countries when we have dogs in our local areas that need help. That’s when I know they’re in it for the money and tax breaks. After all, how else can they write off their homes, farms and homesteads as tax deductible?

Stop with that nonsense.
Rescues are run by dedicated people, and heavily rely on volunteers. There are much easier and stink-free ways of making money.

No, it’s a business.

I already posted about the rescue I adopted from. They charged me $350 to adopt a young purebred dog after they poured much more money than that into his neutering, dental cleaning, and deworming. They also provided me with a collar, muzzle, leash, toothbrush and dog toothpaste, and a week’s worth of food. Terrible business model.

A young pure bread should not need dewormed and a cleaning. Andy your dog needs a muzzle….

He’s a retired racing greyhound. They all need to be dewormed because they all share the same turnout pen with all the other dogs at the track. He needed a dental cleaning because racers are fed a diet that’s optimized for lean muscle and speed, but it’s not great for teeth. Muzzles are commonly used for greyhounds for a variety of reasons. We’ve used ours in place of cones when our dog had an injury that needed to heal. Greyhounds have large necks and smaller heads, so it’s difficult to keep a cone on. The muzzle prevents them from licking wounds.

I'm always amazed at how people think dogs should be allowed to race and that's ok. Sounds terrible.

It is a sad life. So many injuries and deaths, they’re drugged, they spend a ton of time in their kennels, they sleep on shredded newspaper. In Australia, the industry is breeding 4 times as many dogs as they can rehome.

Horrible to me. Up there with dog fighting. Should be outlawed.