Which level kid goes to which schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hoping people come back and find their post and tell us outcomes or results?

NYC mom, are you here?

NYC mom! Things played out very similarly to my original post, but overall it was a hard year. I don't know full numbers yet but Ivy accepts seem to be down by a third overall, and it was particularly brutal for boys in STEM.

The bright spot was in the T20 non-Ivies, with more high-stats kids who might have tried for Ivies in years past committing ED to Chicago, Emory, Tufts, NU, WASP, etc. It's such a hard and awful compromise to make but for unhooked kids who held out for Ivy REA/RD, the ratio of surprises on the upside vs downside was probably 1:9 - and many of those kids also got straight rejected from what they thought were T50 targets. In other words, statistically these kids DC were far better off taking the non-Ivy ED - except you/they have to live with the "what if."

I saw top kids at my kid’s non-DMV private making similar compromises with their ED school and ED’ing to lower-ranked schools. They were definitely T-10 material, but were not going to risk RD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hoping people come back and find their post and tell us outcomes or results?

NYC mom, are you here?

NYC mom! Things played out very similarly to my original post, but overall it was a hard year. I don't know full numbers yet but Ivy accepts seem to be down by a third overall, and it was particularly brutal for boys in STEM.

The bright spot was in the T20 non-Ivies, with more high-stats kids who might have tried for Ivies in years past committing ED to Chicago, Emory, Tufts, NU, WASP, etc. It's such a hard and awful compromise to make but for unhooked kids who held out for Ivy REA/RD, the ratio of surprises on the upside vs downside was probably 1:9 - and many of those kids also got straight rejected from what they thought were T50 targets. In other words, statistically these kids DC were far better off taking the non-Ivy ED - except you/they have to live with the "what if."

Same for us.
non-DMV private.

Yes we've seen it was bad for white and asian boys and girls in STEM. Top stats and top ECs and shut out of Ivies. I think its bad ED choices (why unhooked ppl REA to HYPS I don't ever understand).

But surprisingly, a lot of options in RD for T11-25. Especially for humanities. Those kids KILLED it in RD.
Northwestern in particular seemed to admit a lot more than normal. Same for Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown. And Vanderbilt and WashU.
Duke was extraordinarily hard this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Level one: HYPSM, Berkeley, UVA, etc.
Level two: BC, Tufts, Tulane, etc.
Level three: GMU, VT, JMU, etc.

No one's going to say anything about this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Level one: HYPSM, Berkeley, UVA, etc.
Level two: BC, Tufts, Tulane, etc.
Level three: GMU, VT, JMU, etc.

No one's going to say anything about this?

Ignore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Define “mid stats”?

I’m seeing a lot of kids with 1500+ SATs and almost perfect grades headed for Emory/Wash U/Tufts…

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hoping people come back and find their post and tell us outcomes or results?

NYC mom, are you here?

NYC mom! Things played out very similarly to my original post, but overall it was a hard year. I don't know full numbers yet but Ivy accepts seem to be down by a third overall, and it was particularly brutal for boys in STEM.

The bright spot was in the T20 non-Ivies, with more high-stats kids who might have tried for Ivies in years past committing ED to Chicago, Emory, Tufts, NU, WASP, etc. It's such a hard and awful compromise to make but for unhooked kids who held out for Ivy REA/RD, the ratio of surprises on the upside vs downside was probably 1:9 - and many of those kids also got straight rejected from what they thought were T50 targets. In other words, statistically these kids DC were far better off taking the non-Ivy ED - except you/they have to live with the "what if."

Same for us.
non-DMV private.

Yes we've seen it was bad for white and asian boys and girls in STEM. Top stats and top ECs and shut out of Ivies. I think its bad ED choices (why unhooked ppl REA to HYPS I don't ever understand).

But surprisingly, a lot of options in RD for T11-25. Especially for humanities. Those kids KILLED it in RD.
Northwestern in particular seemed to admit a lot more than normal. Same for Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown. And Vanderbilt and WashU.
Duke was extraordinarily hard this year.

Very bad RD here for T11-25 for anyone outside the top 10 kids in the class.
DMV private ("Big3"). Vanderbilt, Northwestern require HYP level stats which is a 3.9+ so as a result there have been next to no admits except for kids top5 in the class and no matriculations in 5 years. Brown also wants a 3.9+. Duke just takes hooked kids. I'm not sure off the top of my head about the other schools listed.
It was a rough year for anyone not hooked who did not ED and for those who were deferred to a top15 ED---a number of top20% kids shut out of the top25.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hoping people come back and find their post and tell us outcomes or results?

NYC mom, are you here?

NYC mom! Things played out very similarly to my original post, but overall it was a hard year. I don't know full numbers yet but Ivy accepts seem to be down by a third overall, and it was particularly brutal for boys in STEM.

The bright spot was in the T20 non-Ivies, with more high-stats kids who might have tried for Ivies in years past committing ED to Chicago, Emory, Tufts, NU, WASP, etc. It's such a hard and awful compromise to make but for unhooked kids who held out for Ivy REA/RD, the ratio of surprises on the upside vs downside was probably 1:9 - and many of those kids also got straight rejected from what they thought were T50 targets. In other words, statistically these kids DC were far better off taking the non-Ivy ED - except you/they have to live with the "what if."

Same for us.
non-DMV private.

Yes we've seen it was bad for white and asian boys and girls in STEM. Top stats and top ECs and shut out of Ivies. I think its bad ED choices (why unhooked ppl REA to HYPS I don't ever understand).

But surprisingly, a lot of options in RD for T11-25. Especially for humanities. Those kids KILLED it in RD.
Northwestern in particular seemed to admit a lot more than normal. Same for Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown. And Vanderbilt and WashU.
Duke was extraordinarily hard this year.

Very bad RD here for T11-25 for anyone outside the top 10 kids in the class.
DMV private ("Big3"). Vanderbilt, Northwestern require HYP level stats which is a 3.9+ so as a result there have been next to no admits except for kids top5 in the class and no matriculations in 5 years. Brown also wants a 3.9+. Duke just takes hooked kids. I'm not sure off the top of my head about the other schools listed.
It was a rough year for anyone not hooked who did not ED and for those who were deferred to a top15 ED---a number of top20% kids shut out of the top25.

Could it be major related?
Were most of those kids STEM, business, engineering, CS?

[Anonymous]

At our private, STEM (including CS, math, engineering) and business had a very tough time in RD.

it’s possible that is true every year, but it seemed even more true this year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hoping people come back and find their post and tell us outcomes or results?

NYC mom, are you here?

NYC mom! Things played out very similarly to my original post, but overall it was a hard year. I don't know full numbers yet but Ivy accepts seem to be down by a third overall, and it was particularly brutal for boys in STEM.

The bright spot was in the T20 non-Ivies, with more high-stats kids who might have tried for Ivies in years past committing ED to Chicago, Emory, Tufts, NU, WASP, etc. It's such a hard and awful compromise to make but for unhooked kids who held out for Ivy REA/RD, the ratio of surprises on the upside vs downside was probably 1:9 - and many of those kids also got straight rejected from what they thought were T50 targets. In other words, statistically these kids DC were far better off taking the non-Ivy ED - except you/they have to live with the "what if."

Same for us.
non-DMV private.

Yes we've seen it was bad for white and asian boys and girls in STEM. Top stats and top ECs and shut out of Ivies. I think its bad ED choices (why unhooked ppl REA to HYPS I don't ever understand).

But surprisingly, a lot of options in RD for T11-25. Especially for humanities. Those kids KILLED it in RD.
Northwestern in particular seemed to admit a lot more than normal. Same for Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown. And Vanderbilt and WashU.
Duke was extraordinarily hard this year.

Very bad RD here for T11-25 for anyone outside the top 10 kids in the class.
DMV private ("Big3"). Vanderbilt, Northwestern require HYP level stats which is a 3.9+ so as a result there have been next to no admits except for kids top5 in the class and no matriculations in 5 years. Brown also wants a 3.9+. Duke just takes hooked kids. I'm not sure off the top of my head about the other schools listed.
It was a rough year for anyone not hooked who did not ED and for those who were deferred to a top15 ED---a number of top20% kids shut out of the top25.

Why would T20 percent be enough for T25? When 80+% are in the top10%?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hoping people come back and find their post and tell us outcomes or results?

NYC mom, are you here?

NYC mom! Things played out very similarly to my original post, but overall it was a hard year. I don't know full numbers yet but Ivy accepts seem to be down by a third overall, and it was particularly brutal for boys in STEM.

The bright spot was in the T20 non-Ivies, with more high-stats kids who might have tried for Ivies in years past committing ED to Chicago, Emory, Tufts, NU, WASP, etc. It's such a hard and awful compromise to make but for unhooked kids who held out for Ivy REA/RD, the ratio of surprises on the upside vs downside was probably 1:9 - and many of those kids also got straight rejected from what they thought were T50 targets. In other words, statistically these kids DC were far better off taking the non-Ivy ED - except you/they have to live with the "what if."

Same for us.
non-DMV private.

Yes we've seen it was bad for white and asian boys and girls in STEM. Top stats and top ECs and shut out of Ivies. I think its bad ED choices (why unhooked ppl REA to HYPS I don't ever understand).

But surprisingly, a lot of options in RD for T11-25. Especially for humanities. Those kids KILLED it in RD.
Northwestern in particular seemed to admit a lot more than normal. Same for Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown. And Vanderbilt and WashU.
Duke was extraordinarily hard this year.

Very bad RD here for T11-25 for anyone outside the top 10 kids in the class.
DMV private ("Big3"). Vanderbilt, Northwestern require HYP level stats which is a 3.9+ so as a result there have been next to no admits except for kids top5 in the class and no matriculations in 5 years. Brown also wants a 3.9+. Duke just takes hooked kids. I'm not sure off the top of my head about the other schools listed.
It was a rough year for anyone not hooked who did not ED and for those who were deferred to a top15 ED---a number of top20% kids shut out of the top25.

Why would T20 percent be enough for T25? When 80+% are in the top10%?

Huh? What does this mean?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Having had a girl and a boy go through the college admissions process at a private school, I will tell you the girls know a lot more about everyone’s scores, stats, and special hooks. Boys are just not as in the weeds on this stuff and frankly don’t care as much.

So if you are a girl mom and have good Intel, that counts for a lot

++yes indeed they made rank lists and kept track of each others' GPAs plus they edit each other's common app essays in AP LIT in 11th grade after the AP, and go over how to enter GPA, scores, courses into common app. They know everything about each other including ECs. My son knows nothing and his friends do not talk but the girls are starting to pepper him with questions after teachers called him out as high scorer on a few things. I am the one who showed him naviance, where his sister was and how he is definitely near the very top for gpa. He is nonchalant and clueless, probably better that way.

My senior DD and her friends had REA/ED Google sheets /lists for everyone in their privates class - girls updated as info came out with a column for hooks.

It was sooo detailed. With a few hours they know results of who got in where. Feel like it’s so organized! I bet the CCO doesn’t have spreadsheets that up to date.

That’s not healthy.

How awful. I’m glad I don’t live in the DMV. My kid is only at the Emory/Wash U/Tufts level and I’m very proud of what they achieved to get there and I hope they feel good about their imperfect self as well. I’m glad they’re somewhere where they’re not looked at as “less than” for not being at your HYP level.

Listen to yourself. only at a top 30 level? Perspective is needed nowadays.

Tufts isn't T30. Why are yall adding it.

Their child goes to Tufts clearly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hoping people come back and find their post and tell us outcomes or results?

NYC mom, are you here?

NYC mom! Things played out very similarly to my original post, but overall it was a hard year. I don't know full numbers yet but Ivy accepts seem to be down by a third overall, and it was particularly brutal for boys in STEM.

The bright spot was in the T20 non-Ivies, with more high-stats kids who might have tried for Ivies in years past committing ED to Chicago, Emory, Tufts, NU, WASP, etc. It's such a hard and awful compromise to make but for unhooked kids who held out for Ivy REA/RD, the ratio of surprises on the upside vs downside was probably 1:9 - and many of those kids also got straight rejected from what they thought were T50 targets. In other words, statistically these kids DC were far better off taking the non-Ivy ED - except you/they have to live with the "what if."

Same for us.
non-DMV private.

Yes we've seen it was bad for white and asian boys and girls in STEM. Top stats and top ECs and shut out of Ivies. I think its bad ED choices (why unhooked ppl REA to HYPS I don't ever understand).

But surprisingly, a lot of options in RD for T11-25. Especially for humanities. Those kids KILLED it in RD.
Northwestern in particular seemed to admit a lot more than normal. Same for Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown. And Vanderbilt and WashU.
Duke was extraordinarily hard this year.

Very bad RD here for T11-25 for anyone outside the top 10 kids in the class.
DMV private ("Big3"). Vanderbilt, Northwestern require HYP level stats which is a 3.9+ so as a result there have been next to no admits except for kids top5 in the class and no matriculations in 5 years. Brown also wants a 3.9+. Duke just takes hooked kids. I'm not sure off the top of my head about the other schools listed.
It was a rough year for anyone not hooked who did not ED and for those who were deferred to a top15 ED---a number of top20% kids shut out of the top25.

Why would T20 percent be enough for T25? When 80+% are in the top10%?

Huh? What does this mean?

Why would the T20% class rank be enough for T25 schools when over 80% of the classes are in the top 10% in class rank.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hoping people come back and find their post and tell us outcomes or results?

NYC mom, are you here?

NYC mom! Things played out very similarly to my original post, but overall it was a hard year. I don't know full numbers yet but Ivy accepts seem to be down by a third overall, and it was particularly brutal for boys in STEM.

The bright spot was in the T20 non-Ivies, with more high-stats kids who might have tried for Ivies in years past committing ED to Chicago, Emory, Tufts, NU, WASP, etc. It's such a hard and awful compromise to make but for unhooked kids who held out for Ivy REA/RD, the ratio of surprises on the upside vs downside was probably 1:9 - and many of those kids also got straight rejected from what they thought were T50 targets. In other words, statistically these kids DC were far better off taking the non-Ivy ED - except you/they have to live with the "what if."

Same for us.
non-DMV private.

Yes we've seen it was bad for white and asian boys and girls in STEM. Top stats and top ECs and shut out of Ivies. I think its bad ED choices (why unhooked ppl REA to HYPS I don't ever understand).

But surprisingly, a lot of options in RD for T11-25. Especially for humanities. Those kids KILLED it in RD.
Northwestern in particular seemed to admit a lot more than normal. Same for Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown. And Vanderbilt and WashU.
Duke was extraordinarily hard this year.

Very bad RD here for T11-25 for anyone outside the top 10 kids in the class.
DMV private ("Big3"). Vanderbilt, Northwestern require HYP level stats which is a 3.9+ so as a result there have been next to no admits except for kids top5 in the class and no matriculations in 5 years. Brown also wants a 3.9+. Duke just takes hooked kids. I'm not sure off the top of my head about the other schools listed.
It was a rough year for anyone not hooked who did not ED and for those who were deferred to a top15 ED---a number of top20% kids shut out of the top25.

Why would T20 percent be enough for T25? When 80+% are in the top10%?

At privates, there is no official rank. Those the point of this thread.

At our non-DMV private the top 1/3 of class is generally very competitive for T25…..

[Anonymous]

I found this post very helpful in explaining the discrepancy btw certain schools.

Was this year considered a typical year for private schools or will next year be appreciably easier given population cliff?

[Anonymous]

I heard Trinity in NYC this year has 9 kids going to Brown? that's wild!