University of Chicago ED rejection?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure it is a great school, but I just can't think of UChicago in the same category as other T20 because of the shady games they play with ED0, ED1, ED2 and ED3 (aka waitlist - z list) and manipulation of yield with zero transparency. Neither of my kids who ended up at HYPSM would even consider applying to UChicago primarily because of this.

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They are a good school. If they want to be a great school, then they need to be more transparent and also get rid of forcing everyone to do some form of ED.

Except they are already a great school. Schools are far more than their rounds of admissions.

Can’t say that it is great if they need to resort to these practices and force students to ED. Ivy’s, Duke etc. don’t do that.

UChicago doesn’t force anyone to apply, much less ED. If you wish to attend, your best option is to apply ED. Why is this so offensive to people? Again, my DC is HYPSM-bound so I truly don’t have a dog in this fight, but many of his summer program cohorts loved their experience at UChicago enough to ED0. They also got the aid they needed.

Why do they have EA and RD then? To get some application fee from the students that maybe will help them with their financial troubles?

Because their system works for them. If it doesn’t work for some students, then those students can choose not to apply. Scoir at DC’s school clearly shows that the vast majority of admitted students get in ED, and very rarely an EA or RD applicant does too. DC considered this information and opted out of applying altogether, but didn’t vilify the school as some people here are.

Staying the facts about their admission practices is vilifying?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure it is a great school, but I just can't think of UChicago in the same category as other T20 because of the shady games they play with ED0, ED1, ED2 and ED3 (aka waitlist - z list) and manipulation of yield with zero transparency. Neither of my kids who ended up at HYPSM would even consider applying to UChicago primarily because of this.

+1

They are a good school. If they want to be a great school, then they need to be more transparent and also get rid of forcing everyone to do some form of ED.

Except they are already a great school. Schools are far more than their rounds of admissions.

Can’t say that it is great if they need to resort to these practices and force students to ED. Ivy’s, Duke etc. don’t do that.

UChicago doesn’t force anyone to apply, much less ED. If you wish to attend, your best option is to apply ED. Why is this so offensive to people? Again, my DC is HYPSM-bound so I truly don’t have a dog in this fight, but many of his summer program cohorts loved their experience at UChicago enough to ED0. They also got the aid they needed.

Why do they have EA and RD then? To get some application fee from the students that maybe will help them with their financial troubles?

Because their system works for them. If it doesn’t work for some students, then those students can choose not to apply. Scoir at DC’s school clearly shows that the vast majority of admitted students get in ED, and very rarely an EA or RD applicant does too. DC considered this information and opted out of applying altogether, but didn’t vilify the school as some people here are.

Staying the facts about their admission practices is vilifying?

A number of posters are not stating facts but guessing at numbers to which no one outside of UChicago Admissions knows for certain. Moreover, name-calling such as “shady” and “manipulative” is indeed vilifying.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure it is a great school, but I just can't think of UChicago in the same category as other T20 because of the shady games they play with ED0, ED1, ED2 and ED3 (aka waitlist - z list) and manipulation of yield with zero transparency. Neither of my kids who ended up at HYPSM would even consider applying to UChicago primarily because of this.

+1

They are a good school. If they want to be a great school, then they need to be more transparent and also get rid of forcing everyone to do some form of ED.

Except they are already a great school. Schools are far more than their rounds of admissions.

Can’t say that it is great if they need to resort to these practices and force students to ED. Ivy’s, Duke etc. don’t do that.

UChicago doesn’t force anyone to apply, much less ED. If you wish to attend, your best option is to apply ED. Why is this so offensive to people? Again, my DC is HYPSM-bound so I truly don’t have a dog in this fight, but many of his summer program cohorts loved their experience at UChicago enough to ED0. They also got the aid they needed.

Why do they have EA and RD then? To get some application fee from the students that maybe will help them with their financial troubles?

Because their system works for them. If it doesn’t work for some students, then those students can choose not to apply. Scoir at DC’s school clearly shows that the vast majority of admitted students get in ED, and very rarely an EA or RD applicant does too. DC considered this information and opted out of applying altogether, but didn’t vilify the school as some people here are.

Staying the facts about their admission practices is vilifying?

A number of posters are not stating facts but guessing at numbers to which no one outside of UChicago Admissions knows for certain. Moreover, name-calling such as “shady” and “manipulative” is indeed vilifying.

+1. This thread has gone far from simply stating facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the arguments about their actual ED acceptance rate rely on hypothetical info, since they don't release actual stats. So here's a question: Do you actually know anyone who was REJECTED by Chicago in the early decision round? (not EA - binding ED).
At our school 4/5 known ED applicants were accepted (and the 5th was deferred). This suggests a possibly insanely high ED accept rate - like 80%.
I think due to Chicago's reputation and location there is a certain amount of self-selection, but still.

I know a number of kids rejected ED1, including one of the top kids at our DCs' school with no class rankings. If you are a lifer at an independent and the kid is in top classes, those kids pretty much know where everyone "ranks" in that group. The kid seemed like a shoo-in (have a sib who attended Chicago so I've seen it up close), so was shocking. Kid ended up at the Ivy one of their parents attended. Kid picked Chicago thinking it was a safer ED chance than the parents' Ivy alma maters, then ended up being admitted to both in RD.

Also know kids rejected who attended publics in what might be seen as geographically desirable locations.

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Anonymous wrote:“ It's when you think you're punching down and then get denied. It's entitlement.”

I don't think that’s quite right, or at least it’s not right in my kid’s case. He finds lots to like about UChicago and doesn’t think it’s beneath him—he’d be honored to go and applied ED2. It’s just the he was deferred in the early round by Yale and it sucks that he can’t wait-and-see if he gets in to Yale. The lack of RD at UChicago is a major bummer for kids who genuinely like the place, would be happy there, but want a chance to know their options.

In other words: it’s possible to be very excited by UChicago and still think their approach to RD is a major bummer for applicants, even if entirely rational from UChicago’s perspective.

In a better world, they’d leave more room for hope in RD.

So with an ED2 backup, you are simultaneously feeding the supposed beast while bemoaning that it is unfair?

I wouldn’t have phrased it this harshly, but do agree with the underlying sentiment. It makes no sense to excoriate UChicago for trying to optimize its own options just as PP’s deferred-from-Yale son is trying to optimize his.

Bingo - it's a two-way street even if the parent of the deferred Yalie thinks it grossly unfair.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure it is a great school, but I just can't think of UChicago in the same category as other T20 because of the shady games they play with ED0, ED1, ED2 and ED3 (aka waitlist - z list) and manipulation of yield with zero transparency. Neither of my kids who ended up at HYPSM would even consider applying to UChicago primarily because of this.

+1

They are a good school. If they want to be a great school, then they need to be more transparent and also get rid of forcing everyone to do some form of ED.

Except they are already a great school. Schools are far more than their rounds of admissions.

Can’t say that it is great if they need to resort to these practices and force students to ED. Ivy’s, Duke etc. don’t do that.

UChicago doesn’t force anyone to apply, much less ED. If you wish to attend, your best option is to apply ED. Why is this so offensive to people? Again, my DC is HYPSM-bound so I truly don’t have a dog in this fight, but many of his summer program cohorts loved their experience at UChicago enough to ED0. They also got the aid they needed.

Why do they have EA and RD then? To get some application fee from the students that maybe will help them with their financial troubles?

Because their system works for them. If it doesn’t work for some students, then those students can choose not to apply. Scoir at DC’s school clearly shows that the vast majority of admitted students get in ED, and very rarely an EA or RD applicant does too. DC considered this information and opted out of applying altogether, but didn’t vilify the school as some people here are.

Staying the facts about their admission practices is vilifying?

A number of posters are not stating facts but guessing at numbers to which no one outside of UChicago Admissions knows for certain. Moreover, name-calling such as “shady” and “manipulative” is indeed vilifying.

+1. This thread has gone far from simply stating facts.

Only the suporters of UChicago know the facts? Where there is smoke, there is fire. uchicago being all secretive is the smoke alarm.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure it is a great school, but I just can't think of UChicago in the same category as other T20 because of the shady games they play with ED0, ED1, ED2 and ED3 (aka waitlist - z list) and manipulation of yield with zero transparency. Neither of my kids who ended up at HYPSM would even consider applying to UChicago primarily because of this.

+1

They are a good school. If they want to be a great school, then they need to be more transparent and also get rid of forcing everyone to do some form of ED.

Except they are already a great school. Schools are far more than their rounds of admissions.

Can’t say that it is great if they need to resort to these practices and force students to ED. Ivy’s, Duke etc. don’t do that.

UChicago doesn’t force anyone to apply, much less ED. If you wish to attend, your best option is to apply ED. Why is this so offensive to people? Again, my DC is HYPSM-bound so I truly don’t have a dog in this fight, but many of his summer program cohorts loved their experience at UChicago enough to ED0. They also got the aid they needed.

Why do they have EA and RD then? To get some application fee from the students that maybe will help them with their financial troubles?

Because their system works for them. If it doesn’t work for some students, then those students can choose not to apply. Scoir at DC’s school clearly shows that the vast majority of admitted students get in ED, and very rarely an EA or RD applicant does too. DC considered this information and opted out of applying altogether, but didn’t vilify the school as some people here are.

Staying the facts about their admission practices is vilifying?

A number of posters are not stating facts but guessing at numbers to which no one outside of UChicago Admissions knows for certain. Moreover, name-calling such as “shady” and “manipulative” is indeed vilifying.

+1. This thread has gone far from simply stating facts.

Only the suporters of UChicago know the facts? Where there is smoke, there is fire. uchicago being all secretive is the smoke alarm.

UChicago defenders aren’t claiming to know all the facts. The detractors seem to be.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm sure it is a great school, but I just can't think of UChicago in the same category as other T20 because of the shady games they play with ED0, ED1, ED2 and ED3 (aka waitlist - z list) and manipulation of yield with zero transparency. Neither of my kids who ended up at HYPSM would even consider applying to UChicago primarily because of this.

+1

They are a good school. If they want to be a great school, then they need to be more transparent and also get rid of forcing everyone to do some form of ED.

Except they are already a great school. Schools are far more than their rounds of admissions.

Can’t say that it is great if they need to resort to these practices and force students to ED. Ivy’s, Duke etc. don’t do that.

UChicago doesn’t force anyone to apply, much less ED. If you wish to attend, your best option is to apply ED. Why is this so offensive to people? Again, my DC is HYPSM-bound so I truly don’t have a dog in this fight, but many of his summer program cohorts loved their experience at UChicago enough to ED0. They also got the aid they needed.

Why do they have EA and RD then? To get some application fee from the students that maybe will help them with their financial troubles?

Because their system works for them. If it doesn’t work for some students, then those students can choose not to apply. Scoir at DC’s school clearly shows that the vast majority of admitted students get in ED, and very rarely an EA or RD applicant does too. DC considered this information and opted out of applying altogether, but didn’t vilify the school as some people here are.

Staying the facts about their admission practices is vilifying?

A number of posters are not stating facts but guessing at numbers to which no one outside of UChicago Admissions knows for certain. Moreover, name-calling such as “shady” and “manipulative” is indeed vilifying.

+1. This thread has gone far from simply stating facts.

Only the suporters of UChicago know the facts? Where there is smoke, there is fire. uchicago being all secretive is the smoke alarm.

UChicago defenders aren’t claiming to know all the facts. The detractors seem to be.

+1. What a bizarre attempt to flip this.

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From a UChicago AO:we accept less than 1% of RD applicants.
Also, they definitely try to predict their chance of yielding a kid. They said, if we see that a kid did [a certain prestigious selective summer program], we're going to think that kid wants to go to [that college associated with the program] and not admit them.
A real turn off.

[Anonymous]

There are posters on this thread who are determined not to believe UChicago admissions officers. Every year the AOs say at the admitted students' event what the acceptance rate is, at the ED1 welcome session. The last two years, ED1 has been 5% and this year even lower, around 4.2%. Just ask any amitted student who went to that event. Simple.

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Anonymous wrote:There are posters on this thread who are determined not to believe UChicago admissions officers. Every year the AOs say at the admitted students' event what the acceptance rate is, at the ED1 welcome session. The last two years, ED1 has been 5% and this year even lower, around 4.2%. Just ask any amitted student who went to that event. Simple.

Bigger question is what percent of the class is admitted from ED0, ED1 and ED2. What percent of EA applicants get deferred and asked to apply to ED2.

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Anonymous wrote:There are posters on this thread who are determined not to believe UChicago admissions officers. Every year the AOs say at the admitted students' event what the acceptance rate is, at the ED1 welcome session. The last two years, ED1 has been 5% and this year even lower, around 4.2%. Just ask any amitted student who went to that event. Simple.

I was at the event. The AO did NOT say that the ED1 rate was 5%. He said they received over 20k "early" applications and admitted about 1,000. This cleverly hides the fact that the vast, vast majority of those early applications were EA, not ED. For all we know, it's possible that there were only 1,000 ED applications and they admitted all of them, and rejected 19,000 EA apps.

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Anonymous wrote:There are posters on this thread who are determined not to believe UChicago admissions officers. Every year the AOs say at the admitted students' event what the acceptance rate is, at the ED1 welcome session. The last two years, ED1 has been 5% and this year even lower, around 4.2%. Just ask any amitted student who went to that event. Simple.

Bigger question is what percent of the class is admitted from ED0, ED1 and ED2. What percent of EA applicants get deferred and asked to apply to ED2.

Word is at least 90% of the class is admitted via some form of early decision. No idea re EA deferral.

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Anonymous wrote:There are posters on this thread who are determined not to believe UChicago admissions officers. Every year the AOs say at the admitted students' event what the acceptance rate is, at the ED1 welcome session. The last two years, ED1 has been 5% and this year even lower, around 4.2%. Just ask any amitted student who went to that event. Simple.

I was at the event. The AO did NOT say that the ED1 rate was 5%. He said they received over 20k "early" applications and admitted about 1,000. This cleverly hides the fact that the vast, vast majority of those early applications were EA, not ED. For all we know, it's possible that there were only 1,000 ED applications and they admitted all of them, and rejected 19,000 EA apps.

Let me tell you that last year's EA acceptance was definitely not 0. I know that for a fact.

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Anonymous wrote:There are posters on this thread who are determined not to believe UChicago admissions officers. Every year the AOs say at the admitted students' event what the acceptance rate is, at the ED1 welcome session. The last two years, ED1 has been 5% and this year even lower, around 4.2%. Just ask any amitted student who went to that event. Simple.

Bigger question is what percent of the class is admitted from ED0, ED1 and ED2. What percent of EA applicants get deferred and asked to apply to ED2.

Word is at least 90% of the class is admitted via some form of early decision. No idea re EA deferral.

+1. Yes. AT LEAST 90%, if not more. I have heard it is more. For the few hundred or so kids admitted RD, UChicago fares poorly in the cross admit battle with the schools it wants to say are its peers. I’m confident they yield protect in the RD round as well to boost their artificially high yield rate. It’s just hard to respect a school that engages its such tactics.