Overcrowding/Overenrollment Issues at top tier schools

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Again, I don’t see anyone denying that impacted majors exist, that housing is a big issue at nearly all of the UC’s (apart from UCLA’s triples), that there are in fact some classes with more than 1000 kids enrolled, etc. . . We are just being told it doesn’t matter, which of course is personal opinion. To me, it matters.

Agree.
100%
The UC booster would live in a dilapidated shack as long as it had an R1 or USNEWS badge on it. (But it’s falling apart, failing at the seams). Doesn’t matter, everyone in the state wants to be here! (Because it’s almost free). No that doesn’t matter! I never took statistics! really, Everyone, because I said so!

Holy shite! This is 5150 hold territory you’re flailing around in. Everything OK at home? Seriously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of them, including Cornell, are lower rated than Berkeley and UCLA .. ?

Are people seriously choosing schools that are lower rated, and in places like Ithaca, NY, over higher rated schools in California?

USC is fine as a proxy (but without the NM pricing, more than 2x the cost), but anybody choosing NYU or especially BU over Berkeley or UCLA really isn't suitable for either of the latter schools anyway.

Consider that decision a test-out ...

Many people no longer care about the U.S. news rankings now that they are concerned mostly with first gen and Pell grant eligible students. UCLA does some important research but I have zero doubt that the quality of the undergraduate experience (size of classes, degrees held by professors, percentage of classes taught by TAs, and housing) is better at Cornell.

FWIW, no connection to either of these schools.

DP - also no connection to either of those schools. Just wanted to say, other than here in DCUM-land, most people care very much about USNWR rankings. It's only here that certain posters (obviously those whose favored schools went down in the rankings) parse and dismiss them. The vast majority of Americans use those rankings to help them choose colleges.

The vast majority of people don’t use U.S. news rankings, they send their kids to the in state school that accepts them. Nice try though.

It really bothers you that people use USNWR and that your favored school has sunk in the rankings. I'm sorry.

It really bothers you that people know the truth about UCs. And they are speaking it. Not sorry 😝

Show us on the doll where the UCs hurt you.

😂🤣😭 Who knew the UCs are living rent-free in the domes of so many DCUM keyboard warriors?

I feel bad for you, that you’re still have your college pennant on your wall. It took 5 years right? Be honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of them, including Cornell, are lower rated than Berkeley and UCLA .. ?

Are people seriously choosing schools that are lower rated, and in places like Ithaca, NY, over higher rated schools in California?

USC is fine as a proxy (but without the NM pricing, more than 2x the cost), but anybody choosing NYU or especially BU over Berkeley or UCLA really isn't suitable for either of the latter schools anyway.

Consider that decision a test-out ...

Many people no longer care about the U.S. news rankings now that they are concerned mostly with first gen and Pell grant eligible students. UCLA does some important research but I have zero doubt that the quality of the undergraduate experience (size of classes, degrees held by professors, percentage of classes taught by TAs, and housing) is better at Cornell.

FWIW, no connection to either of these schools.

DP - also no connection to either of those schools. Just wanted to say, other than here in DCUM-land, most people care very much about USNWR rankings. It's only here that certain posters (obviously those whose favored schools went down in the rankings) parse and dismiss them. The vast majority of Americans use those rankings to help them choose colleges.

Oh sure - everyone here cares about them too. They just like to pretend that they don't!

Amen to that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, I don’t see anyone denying that impacted majors exist, that housing is a big issue at nearly all of the UC’s (apart from UCLA’s triples), that there are in fact some classes with more than 1000 kids enrolled, etc. . . We are just being told it doesn’t matter, which of course is personal opinion. To me, it matters.

Agree.
100%
The UC booster would live in a dilapidated shack as long as it had an R1 or USNEWS badge on it. (But it’s falling apart, failing at the seams). Doesn’t matter, everyone in the state wants to be here! (Because it’s almost free). No that doesn’t matter! I never took statistics! really, Everyone, because I said so!

Holy shite! This is 5150 hold territory you’re flailing around in. Everything OK at home? Seriously.

Just miming someone on this thread. Look in the mirror, crazy 😜

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I had never heard of a "forced triple" until we moved DC into a Colby dorm. How do colleges get away with this? We wrote a $80K check for DC not to be able to study or have a closet or even a desk?

For our next DC, we are going to eliminate any schools with a history of this practice from our lists. Not even going to tour. These colleges should be exposed and held to account.

Wait - Colby is a small private. DCUM tells me that only large publics do this. HOW can this be true???
/s

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of them, including Cornell, are lower rated than Berkeley and UCLA .. ?

Are people seriously choosing schools that are lower rated, and in places like Ithaca, NY, over higher rated schools in California?

USC is fine as a proxy (but without the NM pricing, more than 2x the cost), but anybody choosing NYU or especially BU over Berkeley or UCLA really isn't suitable for either of the latter schools anyway.

Consider that decision a test-out ...

Many people no longer care about the U.S. news rankings now that they are concerned mostly with first gen and Pell grant eligible students. UCLA does some important research but I have zero doubt that the quality of the undergraduate experience (size of classes, degrees held by professors, percentage of classes taught by TAs, and housing) is better at Cornell.

FWIW, no connection to either of these schools.

DP - also no connection to either of those schools. Just wanted to say, other than here in DCUM-land, most people care very much about USNWR rankings. It's only here that certain posters (obviously those whose favored schools went down in the rankings) parse and dismiss them. The vast majority of Americans use those rankings to help them choose colleges.

The vast majority of people don’t use U.S. news rankings, they send their kids to the in state school that accepts them. Nice try though.

It really bothers you that people use USNWR and that your favored school has sunk in the rankings. I'm sorry.

It really bothers you that people know the truth about UCs. And they are speaking it. Not sorry 😝

Show us on the doll where the UCs hurt you.

😂🤣😭 Who knew the UCs are living rent-free in the domes of so many DCUM keyboard warriors?

I feel bad for you, that you’re still have your college pennant on your wall. It took 5 years right? Be honest.

Four years, but two involved living off campus on the strand in Manhattan Beach so not sure if that even constitutes a “real” college degree after reading through this thread.

No scalped classes, no 500+ student classes, no mold, no rats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had never heard of a "forced triple" until we moved DC into a Colby dorm. How do colleges get away with this? We wrote a $80K check for DC not to be able to study or have a closet or even a desk?

For our next DC, we are going to eliminate any schools with a history of this practice from our lists. Not even going to tour. These colleges should be exposed and held to account.

Wait - Colby is a small private. DCUM tells me that only large publics do this. HOW can this be true???
/s

No one really cares.
They care about advising, getting classes, and having a seat in an auditorium that isn’t larger than Rockefeller Center.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Again, I don’t see anyone denying that impacted majors exist, that housing is a big issue at nearly all of the UC’s (apart from UCLA’s triples), that there are in fact some classes with more than 1000 kids enrolled, etc. . . We are just being told it doesn’t matter, which of course is personal opinion. To me, it matters.

DP. I have no connection with UCLA or any school in CA. However, I find it laughable that you keep insisting there are some classes with "more than 1000 kids enrolled." Please provide a citation. And virtual classes do not count. Show us one school that has a lecture hall of 1000 or more students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of them, including Cornell, are lower rated than Berkeley and UCLA .. ?

Are people seriously choosing schools that are lower rated, and in places like Ithaca, NY, over higher rated schools in California?

USC is fine as a proxy (but without the NM pricing, more than 2x the cost), but anybody choosing NYU or especially BU over Berkeley or UCLA really isn't suitable for either of the latter schools anyway.

Consider that decision a test-out ...

Many people no longer care about the U.S. news rankings now that they are concerned mostly with first gen and Pell grant eligible students. UCLA does some important research but I have zero doubt that the quality of the undergraduate experience (size of classes, degrees held by professors, percentage of classes taught by TAs, and housing) is better at Cornell.

FWIW, no connection to either of these schools.

DP - also no connection to either of those schools. Just wanted to say, other than here in DCUM-land, most people care very much about USNWR rankings. It's only here that certain posters (obviously those whose favored schools went down in the rankings) parse and dismiss them. The vast majority of Americans use those rankings to help them choose colleges.

The vast majority of people don’t use U.S. news rankings, they send their kids to the in state school that accepts them. Nice try though.

It really bothers you that people use USNWR and that your favored school has sunk in the rankings. I'm sorry.

It really bothers you that people know the truth about UCs. And they are speaking it. Not sorry 😝

Show us on the doll where the UCs hurt you.

😂🤣😭 Who knew the UCs are living rent-free in the domes of so many DCUM keyboard warriors?

I feel bad for you, that you’re still have your college pennant on your wall. It took 5 years right? Be honest.

Four years, but two involved living off campus on the strand in Manhattan Beach so not sure if that even constitutes a “real” college degree after reading through this thread.

No scalped classes, no 500+ student classes, no mold, no rats.

No way!? So you DIDNT NEED 4 YEARS OF GUARANTEED HOUSING?!
so what are you going on about crazy? 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of them, including Cornell, are lower rated than Berkeley and UCLA .. ?

Are people seriously choosing schools that are lower rated, and in places like Ithaca, NY, over higher rated schools in California?

USC is fine as a proxy (but without the NM pricing, more than 2x the cost), but anybody choosing NYU or especially BU over Berkeley or UCLA really isn't suitable for either of the latter schools anyway.

Consider that decision a test-out ...

Many people no longer care about the U.S. news rankings now that they are concerned mostly with first gen and Pell grant eligible students. UCLA does some important research but I have zero doubt that the quality of the undergraduate experience (size of classes, degrees held by professors, percentage of classes taught by TAs, and housing) is better at Cornell.

FWIW, no connection to either of these schools.

DP - also no connection to either of those schools. Just wanted to say, other than here in DCUM-land, most people care very much about USNWR rankings. It's only here that certain posters (obviously those whose favored schools went down in the rankings) parse and dismiss them. The vast majority of Americans use those rankings to help them choose colleges.

The vast majority of people don’t use U.S. news rankings, they send their kids to the in state school that accepts them. Nice try though.

It really bothers you that people use USNWR and that your favored school has sunk in the rankings. I'm sorry.

It really bothers you that people know the truth about UCs. And they are speaking it. Not sorry 😝

You're talking to many different people here. I'm the PP and have no connection whatsoever to the UCs. I was talking about USNWR and their rankings of ALL schools. You seem so confused.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a public school problem.

Well, to be more accurate: this is sometimes a problem at schools which are very much in demand.

Nope. It’s a problem at schools big and small, mostly big, that are under resourced and underfunded.

So, Brown? Wesleyan? CM? All of the other privates mentioned here which have crammed freshmen into triples and hotels? Interesting. Didn't realize they were under resourced and underfunded.

Yes! And!
You probably also don’t know that they never have 500 kids in one class.

Can't think of many publics that have 500 kids in one class either. The misinformation being thrown around on this thread is really quite something.

Re read the last 6 pages. You will learn something

I've read the entire thread and learned that apparently, we can say anything we want about any school and it could be a complete lie. And I've also learned that some very gullible posters will believe what the liars say, even with zero substantiation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, I don’t see anyone denying that impacted majors exist, that housing is a big issue at nearly all of the UC’s (apart from UCLA’s triples), that there are in fact some classes with more than 1000 kids enrolled, etc. . . We are just being told it doesn’t matter, which of course is personal opinion. To me, it matters.

Agree.
100%
The UC booster would live in a dilapidated shack as long as it had an R1 or USNEWS badge on it. (But it’s falling apart, failing at the seams). Doesn’t matter, everyone in the state wants to be here! (Because it’s almost free). No that doesn’t matter! I never took statistics! really, Everyone, because I said so!

Holy shite! This is 5150 hold territory you’re flailing around in. Everything OK at home? Seriously.

I laughed so hard. Very true.
DP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again, I don’t see anyone denying that impacted majors exist, that housing is a big issue at nearly all of the UC’s (apart from UCLA’s triples), that there are in fact some classes with more than 1000 kids enrolled, etc. . . We are just being told it doesn’t matter, which of course is personal opinion. To me, it matters.

DP. I have no connection with UCLA or any school in CA. However, I find it laughable that you keep insisting there are some classes with "more than 1000 kids enrolled." Please provide a citation. And virtual classes do not count. Show us one school that has a lecture hall of 1000 or more students.

I don’t know for sure but if I were running an underfunded under resourced school, I might open registration to hundreds more kids than the physical spaces on campus allow, and then just leave it up to the kids to make it a free for all get to class 35 minutes early to get a seat or be SOL. Because I would really GAF about the individual students as I succumb to the pressures of trying to handle the masses.

Just my guess.

Or, are those student stories fiction?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had never heard of a "forced triple" until we moved DC into a Colby dorm. How do colleges get away with this? We wrote a $80K check for DC not to be able to study or have a closet or even a desk?

For our next DC, we are going to eliminate any schools with a history of this practice from our lists. Not even going to tour. These colleges should be exposed and held to account.

Wait - Colby is a small private. DCUM tells me that only large publics do this. HOW can this be true???
/s

No one really cares.
They care about advising, getting classes, and having a seat in an auditorium that isn’t larger than Rockefeller Center.

I guess my experience is atypical, but none of those things mattered or were an issue for me, and what I learned in the first decade of my career (after undergrad) amounted to probably 95 - 100% of what I call upon today in my career. College is a social construct here in America for many of us. Building a career happens AFTER the undergraduate phase of life ends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had never heard of a "forced triple" until we moved DC into a Colby dorm. How do colleges get away with this? We wrote a $80K check for DC not to be able to study or have a closet or even a desk?

For our next DC, we are going to eliminate any schools with a history of this practice from our lists. Not even going to tour. These colleges should be exposed and held to account.

Wait - Colby is a small private. DCUM tells me that only large publics do this. HOW can this be true???
/s

No one really cares.
They care about advising, getting classes, and having a seat in an auditorium that isn’t larger than Rockefeller Center.

Glad my kids' large public schools are top-notch in all of those areas.