Are bikes allowed to go through red lights on major roads?

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

Too funny

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

It's not a conspiracy theory. The fact that a company started as one thing a hundred years before it became something else doesn't change the fact that there was a concerted effort by a combination of the tire industry, oil, and automobile industry in the early to mid 20th century to systematically buy up street car networks, demolish them, and replace with buses. National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines are all companies that existed and were subsidaries of GM that were funded by many others in the supply chain for cars.

Moron.

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Anonymous wrote:Cyclists talk out of both sides of their mouth on safety issues.

They prattle on about unsafe drivers and about how the city needs to spend a gazillion dollars to protect them and if a single cyclist is ever in an accident, we hear endlessly about it.

But then if you ask why, if it's so unsafe, do they allow small children to ride bikes on busy streets, because that sounds a whole lot like child endangerment, then they're all like, well what evidence is there that it's unsafe?

You don’t get it. They’re unsafe BECAUSE OF THE CARS! Not the bikes. (And if there isn’t alternative biking infrastructure they have no choice but to bike on the busy roads - THAT’S THE PROBLEM!) Bunch of idiots in this thread.

PP is unhinged. Yikes

What does this mean?

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Anonymous wrote:Cyclists talk out of both sides of their mouth on safety issues.

They prattle on about unsafe drivers and about how the city needs to spend a gazillion dollars to protect them and if a single cyclist is ever in an accident, we hear endlessly about it.

But then if you ask why, if it's so unsafe, do they allow small children to ride bikes on busy streets, because that sounds a whole lot like child endangerment, then they're all like, well what evidence is there that it's unsafe?

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

It's not a conspiracy theory. The fact that a company started as one thing a hundred years before it became something else doesn't change the fact that there was a concerted effort by a combination of the tire industry, oil, and automobile industry in the early to mid 20th century to systematically buy up street car networks, demolish them, and replace with buses. National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines are all companies that existed and were subsidaries of GM that were funded by many others in the supply chain for cars.

Moron.

You sound like a freshman in college.

You don’t have to come with tortured readings of history to explain why our transportation system is build around cars.

The answer is obvious: our transportation system is built around cars because that’s how people want it. Of all the possible ways to travel, cars are the most popular by a mile.

Sorry, people don’t want to ride **cking bicycles. If they did, they would.

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

It's not a conspiracy theory. The fact that a company started as one thing a hundred years before it became something else doesn't change the fact that there was a concerted effort by a combination of the tire industry, oil, and automobile industry in the early to mid 20th century to systematically buy up street car networks, demolish them, and replace with buses. National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines are all companies that existed and were subsidaries of GM that were funded by many others in the supply chain for cars.

Moron.

DP. Busses are more effective than street cars. You can add and remove routes without centrally planning things decades in advance.

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

It's not a conspiracy theory. The fact that a company started as one thing a hundred years before it became something else doesn't change the fact that there was a concerted effort by a combination of the tire industry, oil, and automobile industry in the early to mid 20th century to systematically buy up street car networks, demolish them, and replace with buses. National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines are all companies that existed and were subsidaries of GM that were funded by many others in the supply chain for cars.

Moron.

You sound like a freshman in college.

You don’t have to come with tortured readings of history to explain why our transportation system is build around cars.

The answer is obvious: our transportation system is built around cars because that’s how people want it. Of all the possible ways to travel, cars are the most popular by a mile.

Sorry, people don’t want to ride **cking bicycles. If they did, they would.

DP - but you actually sound like a freshman in college with this superficial response. You are clearly comfortable in your complete and utter ignorance of the history of transportation but more embarrassingly, you also seem completely ignorant of the psychology of advertising (for example). People may *think* this car-based system is what they want… but is it really? Have they ever been exposed to an alternative? And more fundamentally, maybe explore WHY this is what they want…

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To the cyclist on L street who ran the stale red light this morning, you’re welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:To the cyclist on L street who ran the stale red light this morning, you’re welcome.

Are we just listing vehicles that run red lights now? I don't think car ppl want to play that game.

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

It's not a conspiracy theory. The fact that a company started as one thing a hundred years before it became something else doesn't change the fact that there was a concerted effort by a combination of the tire industry, oil, and automobile industry in the early to mid 20th century to systematically buy up street car networks, demolish them, and replace with buses. National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines are all companies that existed and were subsidaries of GM that were funded by many others in the supply chain for cars.

Moron.

You sound like a freshman in college.

You don’t have to come with tortured readings of history to explain why our transportation system is build around cars.

The answer is obvious: our transportation system is built around cars because that’s how people want it. Of all the possible ways to travel, cars are the most popular by a mile.

Sorry, people don’t want to ride **cking bicycles. If they did, they would.

DP - but you actually sound like a freshman in college with this superficial response. You are clearly comfortable in your complete and utter ignorance of the history of transportation but more embarrassingly, you also seem completely ignorant of the psychology of advertising (for example). People may *think* this car-based system is what they want… but is it really? Have they ever been exposed to an alternative? And more fundamentally, maybe explore WHY this is what they want…

You think people have never heard of bikes? You think they’re unfamiliar with the experience of riding a bike? People don’t want to ride bikes because they think biking sucks compared to their other options. You seem to have a hard time accepting that.

It’s like you’re a spokesman for the cauliflower industry and you can’t accept that people honestly believe cauliflower sucks so you have all these silly arguments about how cauliflower was never really given a fair shot because of mean corporations or magazine ads or whatever the *uck so how can people really know that they don’t love cauliflower?

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

It's not a conspiracy theory. The fact that a company started as one thing a hundred years before it became something else doesn't change the fact that there was a concerted effort by a combination of the tire industry, oil, and automobile industry in the early to mid 20th century to systematically buy up street car networks, demolish them, and replace with buses. National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines are all companies that existed and were subsidaries of GM that were funded by many others in the supply chain for cars.

Moron.

You sound like a freshman in college.

You don’t have to come with tortured readings of history to explain why our transportation system is build around cars.

The answer is obvious: our transportation system is built around cars because that’s how people want it. Of all the possible ways to travel, cars are the most popular by a mile.

Sorry, people don’t want to ride **cking bicycles. If they did, they would.

DP - but you actually sound like a freshman in college with this superficial response. You are clearly comfortable in your complete and utter ignorance of the history of transportation but more embarrassingly, you also seem completely ignorant of the psychology of advertising (for example). People may *think* this car-based system is what they want… but is it really? Have they ever been exposed to an alternative? And more fundamentally, maybe explore WHY this is what they want…

You think people have never heard of bikes? You think they’re unfamiliar with the experience of riding a bike? People don’t want to ride bikes because they think biking sucks compared to their other options. You seem to have a hard time accepting that.

It’s like you’re a spokesman for the cauliflower industry and you can’t accept that people honestly believe cauliflower sucks so you have all these silly arguments about how cauliflower was never really given a fair shot because of mean corporations or magazine ads or whatever the *uck so how can people really know that they don’t love cauliflower?

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

It's not a conspiracy theory. The fact that a company started as one thing a hundred years before it became something else doesn't change the fact that there was a concerted effort by a combination of the tire industry, oil, and automobile industry in the early to mid 20th century to systematically buy up street car networks, demolish them, and replace with buses. National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines are all companies that existed and were subsidaries of GM that were funded by many others in the supply chain for cars.

Moron.

You sound like a freshman in college.

You don’t have to come with tortured readings of history to explain why our transportation system is build around cars.

The answer is obvious: our transportation system is built around cars because that’s how people want it. Of all the possible ways to travel, cars are the most popular by a mile.

Sorry, people don’t want to ride **cking bicycles. If they did, they would.

DP - but you actually sound like a freshman in college with this superficial response. You are clearly comfortable in your complete and utter ignorance of the history of transportation but more embarrassingly, you also seem completely ignorant of the psychology of advertising (for example). People may *think* this car-based system is what they want… but is it really? Have they ever been exposed to an alternative? And more fundamentally, maybe explore WHY this is what they want…

You think people have never heard of bikes? You think they’re unfamiliar with the experience of riding a bike? People don’t want to ride bikes because they think biking sucks compared to their other options. You seem to have a hard time accepting that.

It’s like you’re a spokesman for the cauliflower industry and you can’t accept that people honestly believe cauliflower sucks so you have all these silly arguments about how cauliflower was never really given a fair shot because of mean corporations or magazine ads or whatever the *uck so how can people really know that they don’t love cauliflower?

Because our infrastructure is built for cars! Are you really this mind-bogglingly stupid?

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

It's not a conspiracy theory. The fact that a company started as one thing a hundred years before it became something else doesn't change the fact that there was a concerted effort by a combination of the tire industry, oil, and automobile industry in the early to mid 20th century to systematically buy up street car networks, demolish them, and replace with buses. National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines are all companies that existed and were subsidaries of GM that were funded by many others in the supply chain for cars.

Moron.

You sound like a freshman in college.

You don’t have to come with tortured readings of history to explain why our transportation system is build around cars.

The answer is obvious: our transportation system is built around cars because that’s how people want it. Of all the possible ways to travel, cars are the most popular by a mile.

Sorry, people don’t want to ride **cking bicycles. If they did, they would.

DP - but you actually sound like a freshman in college with this superficial response. You are clearly comfortable in your complete and utter ignorance of the history of transportation but more embarrassingly, you also seem completely ignorant of the psychology of advertising (for example). People may *think* this car-based system is what they want… but is it really? Have they ever been exposed to an alternative? And more fundamentally, maybe explore WHY this is what they want…

You think people have never heard of bikes? You think they’re unfamiliar with the experience of riding a bike? People don’t want to ride bikes because they think biking sucks compared to their other options. You seem to have a hard time accepting that.

It’s like you’re a spokesman for the cauliflower industry and you can’t accept that people honestly believe cauliflower sucks so you have all these silly arguments about how cauliflower was never really given a fair shot because of mean corporations or magazine ads or whatever the *uck so how can people really know that they don’t love cauliflower?

Because our infrastructure is built for cars! Are you really this mind-bogglingly stupid?

The city has relentlessly promoted bikes for 15 years. The city will practically pay you to ride a bike. And people are still like “no thanks”

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

It's not a conspiracy theory. The fact that a company started as one thing a hundred years before it became something else doesn't change the fact that there was a concerted effort by a combination of the tire industry, oil, and automobile industry in the early to mid 20th century to systematically buy up street car networks, demolish them, and replace with buses. National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines are all companies that existed and were subsidaries of GM that were funded by many others in the supply chain for cars.

Moron.

You sound like a freshman in college.

You don’t have to come with tortured readings of history to explain why our transportation system is build around cars.

The answer is obvious: our transportation system is built around cars because that’s how people want it. Of all the possible ways to travel, cars are the most popular by a mile.

Sorry, people don’t want to ride **cking bicycles. If they did, they would.

How did you get to be so old while remaining so ignorant?

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Anonymous wrote:I always find it weird how American cyclists want there to be as many cyclists as there are in Amsterdam and talk about how wonderful biking is there, but then ignore the fact that cyclists there have real responsibilities and have to stop at red lights like everyone else. You get the same sort of discussion when people talk about Portuguese decriminalization of drugs - everyone talks about the decriminalization part, but few talk about the mandatory treatment part.

People want all the benefits but none of the responsibilities that are needed to make these things function.

Nah, we also want the stop lights and road infrastructure updated to be more like the netherlands. Where there is greater separation from cars, fewer stop lights overall, separate signals for cars from other modes of traffic THAT MAKES THE CAR THE LOWER PRIORITY FORM OF TRANSPORTATION LIKE IT SHOULD BE.

But without the extensive tram, train and subway network. So in other words, nothing at all like the Netherlands.

Last I checked, it was Goodyear and the big Auto companies that bought up all of our electric street car network, shut them down, paved it over, and made it drivers only. The biggest problem with the H St streetcar is that it has to share the road with cars and sit in traffic. And we, at least in this city, have a pretty decent metro network, with light and heavy rail connecting it.

Goodyear? The bicycle tire company! That's hilarious.

Do you take cream with your motor oil in the morning? Idiot carbrain.

It's not my fault that you didn't know that Goodyear was founded as a bicycle tire company before coming up with your insane conspiracy theory regarding big rubber. Should we demand reparations from Liberia?

It's not a conspiracy theory. The fact that a company started as one thing a hundred years before it became something else doesn't change the fact that there was a concerted effort by a combination of the tire industry, oil, and automobile industry in the early to mid 20th century to systematically buy up street car networks, demolish them, and replace with buses. National City Lines, Pacific City Lines, American City Lines are all companies that existed and were subsidaries of GM that were funded by many others in the supply chain for cars.

Moron.

You sound like a freshman in college.

You don’t have to come with tortured readings of history to explain why our transportation system is build around cars.

The answer is obvious: our transportation system is built around cars because that’s how people want it. Of all the possible ways to travel, cars are the most popular by a mile.

Sorry, people don’t want to ride **cking bicycles. If they did, they would.

DP - but you actually sound like a freshman in college with this superficial response. You are clearly comfortable in your complete and utter ignorance of the history of transportation but more embarrassingly, you also seem completely ignorant of the psychology of advertising (for example). People may *think* this car-based system is what they want… but is it really? Have they ever been exposed to an alternative? And more fundamentally, maybe explore WHY this is what they want…

You think people have never heard of bikes? You think they’re unfamiliar with the experience of riding a bike? People don’t want to ride bikes because they think biking sucks compared to their other options. You seem to have a hard time accepting that.

It’s like you’re a spokesman for the cauliflower industry and you can’t accept that people honestly believe cauliflower sucks so you have all these silly arguments about how cauliflower was never really given a fair shot because of mean corporations or magazine ads or whatever the *uck so how can people really know that they don’t love cauliflower?

Because our infrastructure is built for cars! Are you really this mind-bogglingly stupid?

The city has relentlessly promoted bikes for 15 years. The city will practically pay you to ride a bike. And people are still like “no thanks”

It's probably because the weather around here isn't conducive to cycling. There are probably a few months in early winter when it would be workable. Outside of that, you are going to be a sweaty mess or arrive drenched in a sudden downpour.