Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they want to make Haycock 99% full while leaving other schools in the 80s, especially given the development and infill building in Haycock bounds? Why are so many schools involved for one school’s overcrowding that could easily be fixed by program changes?

They are projecting Haycock at 92-96% under Option B.

If the LLIV program at Franklin Sherman gets stronger with more kids and a new principal, there will be fewer FS AAP kids at Haycock.

If the new WFC development gets built and overcrowd Haycock they can move some kids to Lemon Road.

FS isn't taking on any significant number more kids than it has currently, and there's no reason to think there will be less AAP transfers to Haycock unless centers are wound down county-wide or something.

As for the bolded, 1/ there's no "if", it's happening, and 2/ the most logical SPA to shift to Lemon Road would be 4022 as it sits on Idyllwood/Kirby Road already (same as the school)... but that's the one they're shifting now from KG -> Haycock. Can't imagine the uproar if they just "whoops" and reallocate it again to Lemon Road in a few years.

Scenario B projects Franklin Sherman would pick up an additional 38 kids. In addition, FS sends a lot of kids to Haycock for AAP - more than Chesterbrook, which has more students. If the new FS principal is more committed to LLIV services than Quigley, then it stands to reason the number of LLIV kids from FS at Haycock may decline.

In terms of WFC development, it certainly appears to be coming, but it hasn’t happened yet. If it generates a lot more kids, they could move SPA 4011 or 4018 to Lemon Road, and that would still leave SPA 4022 at Haycock.

To be clear, I’m not super-invested in Scenario B. I get the impression you want to kill the immersion program at KG and then move no one from KG to Haycock. If that’s what you’re angling for, it seems you’re out of luck.

No, I think the immersion program is great, it's popular, and the brain development benefits of language immersion at an early age are well-documented (regardless of whether the second language is deemed "useful" or retained into higher grades / adulthood). No problem there.

My issue is with the lack of long-term planning... heck, I'd take medium-term planning. There's no question that WFC development is happening. It's happening in stages and just happened to commence with the FCC portion, but that's not like "oh they're thinking twice about it" for the County portion.

4018 at Lemon Road would be a terrible attendance island... those families would drive through Haycock territory via Haycock Road and/or Great Falls to go all the way up to Idyllwood and then back down to Lemon Road. That's a sh!t plan.

4011 is at least a bit closer to Lemon Road, but it still makes way more sense just to move 4022 there now rather than 4022->Haycock followed by 4011->Lemon Road in a few years. The other issue is that you'd be moving HS pyramids for those kids as well. It's a only slightly less sh!t plan.

Given the available capacity at Chesterbrook, perhaps 4105 could get moved there in a couple years when they need space at Haycock.

But the point is, moving 4022 to Haycock now is basically guaranteeing a second unnecessary boundary change in the near future (or adding trailers at Haycock), which is just really poor planning when there's space available elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they want to make Haycock 99% full while leaving other schools in the 80s, especially given the development and infill building in Haycock bounds? Why are so many schools involved for one school’s overcrowding that could easily be fixed by program changes?

They are projecting Haycock at 92-96% under Option B.

If the LLIV program at Franklin Sherman gets stronger with more kids and a new principal, there will be fewer FS AAP kids at Haycock.

If the new WFC development gets built and overcrowd Haycock they can move some kids to Lemon Road.

FS isn't taking on any significant number more kids than it has currently, and there's no reason to think there will be less AAP transfers to Haycock unless centers are wound down county-wide or something.

As for the bolded, 1/ there's no "if", it's happening, and 2/ the most logical SPA to shift to Lemon Road would be 4022 as it sits on Idyllwood/Kirby Road already (same as the school)... but that's the one they're shifting now from KG -> Haycock. Can't imagine the uproar if they just "whoops" and reallocate it again to Lemon Road in a few years.

Scenario B projects Franklin Sherman would pick up an additional 38 kids. In addition, FS sends a lot of kids to Haycock for AAP - more than Chesterbrook, which has more students. If the new FS principal is more committed to LLIV services than Quigley, then it stands to reason the number of LLIV kids from FS at Haycock may decline.

In terms of WFC development, it certainly appears to be coming, but it hasn’t happened yet. If it generates a lot more kids, they could move SPA 4011 or 4018 to Lemon Road, and that would still leave SPA 4022 at Haycock.

To be clear, I’m not super-invested in Scenario B. I get the impression you want to kill the immersion program at KG and then move no one from KG to Haycock. If that’s what you’re angling for, it seems you’re out of luck.

No, I think the immersion program is great, it's popular, and the brain development benefits of language immersion at an early age are well-documented (regardless of whether the second language is deemed "useful" or retained into higher grades / adulthood). No problem there.

My issue is with the lack of long-term planning... heck, I'd take medium-term planning. There's no question that WFC development is happening. It's happening in stages and just happened to commence with the FCC portion, but that's not like "oh they're thinking twice about it" for the County portion.

4018 at Lemon Road would be a terrible attendance island... those families would drive through Haycock territory via Haycock Road and/or Great Falls to go all the way up to Idyllwood and then back down to Lemon Road. That's a sh!t plan.

4011 is at least a bit closer to Lemon Road, but it still makes way more sense just to move 4022 there now rather than 4022->Haycock followed by 4011->Lemon Road in a few years. The other issue is that you'd be moving HS pyramids for those kids as well. It's a only slightly less sh!t plan.

Given the available capacity at Chesterbrook, perhaps 4105 could get moved there in a couple years when they need space at Haycock.

But the point is, moving 4022 to Haycock now is basically guaranteeing a second unnecessary boundary change in the near future (or adding trailers at Haycock), which is just really poor planning when there's space available elsewhere.

You can probably still sign up to testify at the public hearing later this week, if you feel strongly about it.

Moving kids to Lemon Road, whether now or in the future, wouldn’t change MS/HS assignments. Lemon Road is in the Marshall pyramid for administrative purposes, but it sits within the McLean boundaries and is already a split feeder to Marshall and McLean.

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Moving 4022 from Kent Gardens to Haycock makes sense. It’s close to Haycock and many people were suggesting it even before FCPS released any of the scenarios.

Moving 4022 to Lemon Road would create an attendance island and it’s only 38 kids. Had FCPS proposed that, it would have been heavily criticized.

Addressing the current KG overcrowding, not worrying about the situation at Haycock a decade from now, needs to remain the top priority.

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Anonymous wrote:It does seem like many schools are affected for one school whose immersion program is causing the overcrowding.

That's correct and FCPS has not provided the out of boundary student count by school and pyramid. That is just wrong and not what FCPS has done when an AAP/GTC center infusion contributed to over crowding. Tholen should know better based on historical boundary changes in the Langley and Mclean pyramids.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they want to make Haycock 99% full while leaving other schools in the 80s, especially given the development and infill building in Haycock bounds? Why are so many schools involved for one school’s overcrowding that could easily be fixed by program changes?

They are projecting Haycock at 92-96% under Option B.

If the LLIV program at Franklin Sherman gets stronger with more kids and a new principal, there will be fewer FS AAP kids at Haycock.

If the new WFC development gets built and overcrowd Haycock they can move some kids to Lemon Road.

FS isn't taking on any significant number more kids than it has currently, and there's no reason to think there will be less AAP transfers to Haycock unless centers are wound down county-wide or something.

As for the bolded, 1/ there's no "if", it's happening, and 2/ the most logical SPA to shift to Lemon Road would be 4022 as it sits on Idyllwood/Kirby Road already (same as the school)... but that's the one they're shifting now from KG -> Haycock. Can't imagine the uproar if they just "whoops" and reallocate it again to Lemon Road in a few years.

Scenario B projects Franklin Sherman would pick up an additional 38 kids. In addition, FS sends a lot of kids to Haycock for AAP - more than Chesterbrook, which has more students. If the new FS principal is more committed to LLIV services than Quigley, then it stands to reason the number of LLIV kids from FS at Haycock may decline.

In terms of WFC development, it certainly appears to be coming, but it hasn’t happened yet. If it generates a lot more kids, they could move SPA 4011 or 4018 to Lemon Road, and that would still leave SPA 4022 at Haycock.

To be clear, I’m not super-invested in Scenario B. I get the impression you want to kill the immersion program at KG and then move no one from KG to Haycock. If that’s what you’re angling for, it seems you’re out of luck.

No, I think the immersion program is great, it's popular, and the brain development benefits of language immersion at an early age are well-documented (regardless of whether the second language is deemed "useful" or retained into higher grades / adulthood). No problem there.

My issue is with the lack of long-term planning... heck, I'd take medium-term planning. There's no question that WFC development is happening. It's happening in stages and just happened to commence with the FCC portion, but that's not like "oh they're thinking twice about it" for the County portion.

4018 at Lemon Road would be a terrible attendance island... those families would drive through Haycock territory via Haycock Road and/or Great Falls to go all the way up to Idyllwood and then back down to Lemon Road. That's a sh!t plan.

4011 is at least a bit closer to Lemon Road, but it still makes way more sense just to move 4022 there now rather than 4022->Haycock followed by 4011->Lemon Road in a few years. The other issue is that you'd be moving HS pyramids for those kids as well. It's a only slightly less sh!t plan.

Given the available capacity at Chesterbrook, perhaps 4105 could get moved there in a couple years when they need space at Haycock.

But the point is, moving 4022 to Haycock now is basically guaranteeing a second unnecessary boundary change in the near future (or adding trailers at Haycock), which is just really poor planning when there's space available elsewhere.

+1. What a chaotic and shortsighted recommendation this is.

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I’m hearing two criticisms - one is that FCPS should have terminated or relocated the French immersion program at Kent Gardens and the other is that no one should get moved to Haycock.

Those arguments were made before and they just didn’t prevail. A lot of people wanted to keep FI at KG, and some argued that FCPS should move the exact area that it now proposes to move from KG to Haycock.

Clearly there’s no perfect solution, but since FCPS continues to stiff the McLean pyramid for capital resources it’s not clear the current proposal is worse than anything else they might have proposed.

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Anonymous wrote:Moving 4022 from Kent Gardens to Haycock makes sense. It’s close to Haycock and many people were suggesting it even before FCPS released any of the scenarios.

Moving 4022 to Lemon Road would create an attendance island and it’s only 38 kids. Had FCPS proposed that, it would have been heavily criticized.

Addressing the current KG overcrowding, not worrying about the situation at Haycock a decade from now, needs to remain the top priority.

Yet moving Haycock kids to Lemon Road is exactly what another poster suggested for their inevitable overcrowding, and 4022 would be the best candidate of the available bad options. Only alternatives are trailers, move kids to Chesterbrook or (*checks map*) Kent Gardens, or reduce its AAP Center population that’s coming from other schools. Or, here’s a crazy idea, find other ways to reduce near-term overcrowding at KG without creating an overcrowding problem at Haycock. They could for example move more kids to schools with available capacity like Chesterbrook or Churchill Road, although the latter touches the apparent 3rd rail of MS/HS shifts.

But the bolded notion (that we can’t address short-term issues while ALSO being mindful of and planning for medium-term ones) is exactly the problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Moving 4022 from Kent Gardens to Haycock makes sense. It’s close to Haycock and many people were suggesting it even before FCPS released any of the scenarios.

Moving 4022 to Lemon Road would create an attendance island and it’s only 38 kids. Had FCPS proposed that, it would have been heavily criticized.

Addressing the current KG overcrowding, not worrying about the situation at Haycock a decade from now, needs to remain the top priority.

Yet moving Haycock kids to Lemon Road is exactly what another poster suggested for their inevitable overcrowding, and 4022 would be the best candidate of the available bad options. Only alternatives are trailers, move kids to Chesterbrook or (*checks map*) Kent Gardens, or reduce its AAP Center population that’s coming from other schools. Or, here’s a crazy idea, find other ways to reduce near-term overcrowding at KG without creating an overcrowding problem at Haycock. They could for example move more kids to schools with available capacity like Chesterbrook or Churchill Road, although the latter touches the apparent 3rd rail of MS/HS shifts.

But the bolded notion (that we can’t address short-term issues while ALSO being mindful of and planning for medium-term ones) is exactly the problem.

The suggestion that FCPS create a new Lemon Road attendance island by moving 4022 there just isn’t very compelling. There are enough attendance islands already.

And the bolded language just reflects reality when it comes to planning in FCPS. Kent Gardens has been overcrowded for years. The plan they’ve proposed is fairly sensible to address both short-term and medium-term issues, recognizing that they may need to revisit Haycock down the road.

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Anonymous wrote:Moving 4022 from Kent Gardens to Haycock makes sense. It’s close to Haycock and many people were suggesting it even before FCPS released any of the scenarios.

Moving 4022 to Lemon Road would create an attendance island and it’s only 38 kids. Had FCPS proposed that, it would have been heavily criticized.

Addressing the current KG overcrowding, not worrying about the situation at Haycock a decade from now, needs to remain the top priority.

Yet moving Haycock kids to Lemon Road is exactly what another poster suggested for their inevitable overcrowding, and 4022 would be the best candidate of the available bad options. Only alternatives are trailers, move kids to Chesterbrook or (*checks map*) Kent Gardens, or reduce its AAP Center population that’s coming from other schools. Or, here’s a crazy idea, find other ways to reduce near-term overcrowding at KG without creating an overcrowding problem at Haycock. They could for example move more kids to schools with available capacity like Chesterbrook or Churchill Road, although the latter touches the apparent 3rd rail of MS/HS shifts.

But the bolded notion (that we can’t address short-term issues while ALSO being mindful of and planning for medium-term ones) is exactly the problem.

The suggestion that FCPS create a new Lemon Road attendance island by moving 4022 there just isn’t very compelling. There are enough attendance islands already.

And the bolded language just reflects reality when it comes to planning in FCPS. Kent Gardens has been overcrowded for years. The plan they’ve proposed is fairly sensible to address both short-term and medium-term issues, recognizing that they may need to revisit Haycock down the road.

Even with their projections, the enrollment among the schools is not comparable. Chesterbrook has more space - why not move more there rather than bringing Haycock even higher into the 90s?

But really why are they causing such chaos to protect an immersion program that 75% only serves one school ( I think the other immersion programs are capped at 60% in bounds so that they serve others in the district)? Why does KG get such a high level of service?

If people have concerns about this plan, they need to speak at the public hearing and write all the board members. Otherwise, this will just get rubber stamped.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they want to make Haycock 99% full while leaving other schools in the 80s, especially given the development and infill building in Haycock bounds? Why are so many schools involved for one school’s overcrowding that could easily be fixed by program changes?

They are projecting Haycock at 92-96% under Option B.

If the LLIV program at Franklin Sherman gets stronger with more kids and a new principal, there will be fewer FS AAP kids at Haycock.

If the new WFC development gets built and overcrowd Haycock they can move some kids to Lemon Road.

FS isn't taking on any significant number more kids than it has currently, and there's no reason to think there will be less AAP transfers to Haycock unless centers are wound down county-wide or something.

As for the bolded, 1/ there's no "if", it's happening, and 2/ the most logical SPA to shift to Lemon Road would be 4022 as it sits on Idyllwood/Kirby Road already (same as the school)... but that's the one they're shifting now from KG -> Haycock. Can't imagine the uproar if they just "whoops" and reallocate it again to Lemon Road in a few years.

Scenario B projects Franklin Sherman would pick up an additional 38 kids. In addition, FS sends a lot of kids to Haycock for AAP - more than Chesterbrook, which has more students. If the new FS principal is more committed to LLIV services than Quigley, then it stands to reason the number of LLIV kids from FS at Haycock may decline.

In terms of WFC development, it certainly appears to be coming, but it hasn’t happened yet. If it generates a lot more kids, they could move SPA 4011 or 4018 to Lemon Road, and that would still leave SPA 4022 at Haycock.

To be clear, I’m not super-invested in Scenario B. I get the impression you want to kill the immersion program at KG and then move no one from KG to Haycock. If that’s what you’re angling for, it seems you’re out of luck.

No, I think the immersion program is great, it's popular, and the brain development benefits of language immersion at an early age are well-documented (regardless of whether the second language is deemed "useful" or retained into higher grades / adulthood). No problem there.

My issue is with the lack of long-term planning... heck, I'd take medium-term planning. There's no question that WFC development is happening. It's happening in stages and just happened to commence with the FCC portion, but that's not like "oh they're thinking twice about it" for the County portion.

4018 at Lemon Road would be a terrible attendance island... those families would drive through Haycock territory via Haycock Road and/or Great Falls to go all the way up to Idyllwood and then back down to Lemon Road. That's a sh!t plan.

4011 is at least a bit closer to Lemon Road, but it still makes way more sense just to move 4022 there now rather than 4022->Haycock followed by 4011->Lemon Road in a few years. The other issue is that you'd be moving HS pyramids for those kids as well. It's a only slightly less sh!t plan.

Given the available capacity at Chesterbrook, perhaps 4105 could get moved there in a couple years when they need space at Haycock.

But the point is, moving 4022 to Haycock now is basically guaranteeing a second unnecessary boundary change in the near future (or adding trailers at Haycock), which is just really poor planning when there's space available elsewhere.

They don’t need a boundary change to lower the number of students at Haycock. They just need to eliminate the AAP center program. The feeder ES have robust LL AAP programs. The center is redundant.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they want to make Haycock 99% full while leaving other schools in the 80s, especially given the development and infill building in Haycock bounds? Why are so many schools involved for one school’s overcrowding that could easily be fixed by program changes?

They are projecting Haycock at 92-96% under Option B.

If the LLIV program at Franklin Sherman gets stronger with more kids and a new principal, there will be fewer FS AAP kids at Haycock.

If the new WFC development gets built and overcrowd Haycock they can move some kids to Lemon Road.

FS isn't taking on any significant number more kids than it has currently, and there's no reason to think there will be less AAP transfers to Haycock unless centers are wound down county-wide or something.

As for the bolded, 1/ there's no "if", it's happening, and 2/ the most logical SPA to shift to Lemon Road would be 4022 as it sits on Idyllwood/Kirby Road already (same as the school)... but that's the one they're shifting now from KG -> Haycock. Can't imagine the uproar if they just "whoops" and reallocate it again to Lemon Road in a few years.

Scenario B projects Franklin Sherman would pick up an additional 38 kids. In addition, FS sends a lot of kids to Haycock for AAP - more than Chesterbrook, which has more students. If the new FS principal is more committed to LLIV services than Quigley, then it stands to reason the number of LLIV kids from FS at Haycock may decline.

In terms of WFC development, it certainly appears to be coming, but it hasn’t happened yet. If it generates a lot more kids, they could move SPA 4011 or 4018 to Lemon Road, and that would still leave SPA 4022 at Haycock.

To be clear, I’m not super-invested in Scenario B. I get the impression you want to kill the immersion program at KG and then move no one from KG to Haycock. If that’s what you’re angling for, it seems you’re out of luck.

No, I think the immersion program is great, it's popular, and the brain development benefits of language immersion at an early age are well-documented (regardless of whether the second language is deemed "useful" or retained into higher grades / adulthood). No problem there.

My issue is with the lack of long-term planning... heck, I'd take medium-term planning. There's no question that WFC development is happening. It's happening in stages and just happened to commence with the FCC portion, but that's not like "oh they're thinking twice about it" for the County portion.

4018 at Lemon Road would be a terrible attendance island... those families would drive through Haycock territory via Haycock Road and/or Great Falls to go all the way up to Idyllwood and then back down to Lemon Road. That's a sh!t plan.

4011 is at least a bit closer to Lemon Road, but it still makes way more sense just to move 4022 there now rather than 4022->Haycock followed by 4011->Lemon Road in a few years. The other issue is that you'd be moving HS pyramids for those kids as well. It's a only slightly less sh!t plan.

Given the available capacity at Chesterbrook, perhaps 4105 could get moved there in a couple years when they need space at Haycock.

But the point is, moving 4022 to Haycock now is basically guaranteeing a second unnecessary boundary change in the near future (or adding trailers at Haycock), which is just really poor planning when there's space available elsewhere.

They don’t need a boundary change to lower the number of students at Haycock. They just need to eliminate the AAP center program. The feeder ES have robust LL AAP programs. The center is redundant.

That’s fine for Haycock IF that’s the long-term plan, but I suspect it’s not really, leaving Haycock in the lurch. Furthermore, even if that is the plan, we’d need to run the numbers to see if the other schools remain under capacity when they are no longer sending AAP students to Haycock. Again, the absence of a clear long-term plan is the problem, and there’s no hand-waving that can be done to make those anticipatable issues go away without a plan.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they want to make Haycock 99% full while leaving other schools in the 80s, especially given the development and infill building in Haycock bounds? Why are so many schools involved for one school’s overcrowding that could easily be fixed by program changes?

They are projecting Haycock at 92-96% under Option B.

If the LLIV program at Franklin Sherman gets stronger with more kids and a new principal, there will be fewer FS AAP kids at Haycock.

If the new WFC development gets built and overcrowd Haycock they can move some kids to Lemon Road.

FS isn't taking on any significant number more kids than it has currently, and there's no reason to think there will be less AAP transfers to Haycock unless centers are wound down county-wide or something.

As for the bolded, 1/ there's no "if", it's happening, and 2/ the most logical SPA to shift to Lemon Road would be 4022 as it sits on Idyllwood/Kirby Road already (same as the school)... but that's the one they're shifting now from KG -> Haycock. Can't imagine the uproar if they just "whoops" and reallocate it again to Lemon Road in a few years.

Scenario B projects Franklin Sherman would pick up an additional 38 kids. In addition, FS sends a lot of kids to Haycock for AAP - more than Chesterbrook, which has more students. If the new FS principal is more committed to LLIV services than Quigley, then it stands to reason the number of LLIV kids from FS at Haycock may decline.

In terms of WFC development, it certainly appears to be coming, but it hasn’t happened yet. If it generates a lot more kids, they could move SPA 4011 or 4018 to Lemon Road, and that would still leave SPA 4022 at Haycock.

To be clear, I’m not super-invested in Scenario B. I get the impression you want to kill the immersion program at KG and then move no one from KG to Haycock. If that’s what you’re angling for, it seems you’re out of luck.

No, I think the immersion program is great, it's popular, and the brain development benefits of language immersion at an early age are well-documented (regardless of whether the second language is deemed "useful" or retained into higher grades / adulthood). No problem there.

My issue is with the lack of long-term planning... heck, I'd take medium-term planning. There's no question that WFC development is happening. It's happening in stages and just happened to commence with the FCC portion, but that's not like "oh they're thinking twice about it" for the County portion.

4018 at Lemon Road would be a terrible attendance island... those families would drive through Haycock territory via Haycock Road and/or Great Falls to go all the way up to Idyllwood and then back down to Lemon Road. That's a sh!t plan.

4011 is at least a bit closer to Lemon Road, but it still makes way more sense just to move 4022 there now rather than 4022->Haycock followed by 4011->Lemon Road in a few years. The other issue is that you'd be moving HS pyramids for those kids as well. It's a only slightly less sh!t plan.

Given the available capacity at Chesterbrook, perhaps 4105 could get moved there in a couple years when they need space at Haycock.

But the point is, moving 4022 to Haycock now is basically guaranteeing a second unnecessary boundary change in the near future (or adding trailers at Haycock), which is just really poor planning when there's space available elsewhere.

They don’t need a boundary change to lower the number of students at Haycock. They just need to eliminate the AAP center program. The feeder ES have robust LL AAP programs. The center is redundant.

That’s fine for Haycock IF that’s the long-term plan, but I suspect it’s not really, leaving Haycock in the lurch. Furthermore, even if that is the plan, we’d need to run the numbers to see if the other schools remain under capacity when they are no longer sending AAP students to Haycock. Again, the absence of a clear long-term plan is the problem, and there’s no hand-waving that can be done to make those anticipatable issues go away without a plan.

If you want to center Haycock in a discussion about an upcoming boundary change that is sure to have much more impact on two other elementary schools (Kent Gardens and Franklin Sherman) than on Haycock, have at it. The deadline for signing up to testify at the public hearing on the 30th is 6 PM tonight.

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I've been to all of these schools, chesterbrook does not have space despite what they tell you. Westgate has the most and just under went a major expansion and renovations

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Anonymous wrote:Why do they want to make Haycock 99% full while leaving other schools in the 80s, especially given the development and infill building in Haycock bounds? Why are so many schools involved for one school’s overcrowding that could easily be fixed by program changes?

They are projecting Haycock at 92-96% under Option B.

If the LLIV program at Franklin Sherman gets stronger with more kids and a new principal, there will be fewer FS AAP kids at Haycock.

If the new WFC development gets built and overcrowd Haycock they can move some kids to Lemon Road.

FS isn't taking on any significant number more kids than it has currently, and there's no reason to think there will be less AAP transfers to Haycock unless centers are wound down county-wide or something.

As for the bolded, 1/ there's no "if", it's happening, and 2/ the most logical SPA to shift to Lemon Road would be 4022 as it sits on Idyllwood/Kirby Road already (same as the school)... but that's the one they're shifting now from KG -> Haycock. Can't imagine the uproar if they just "whoops" and reallocate it again to Lemon Road in a few years.

Scenario B projects Franklin Sherman would pick up an additional 38 kids. In addition, FS sends a lot of kids to Haycock for AAP - more than Chesterbrook, which has more students. If the new FS principal is more committed to LLIV services than Quigley, then it stands to reason the number of LLIV kids from FS at Haycock may decline.

In terms of WFC development, it certainly appears to be coming, but it hasn’t happened yet. If it generates a lot more kids, they could move SPA 4011 or 4018 to Lemon Road, and that would still leave SPA 4022 at Haycock.

To be clear, I’m not super-invested in Scenario B. I get the impression you want to kill the immersion program at KG and then move no one from KG to Haycock. If that’s what you’re angling for, it seems you’re out of luck.

No, I think the immersion program is great, it's popular, and the brain development benefits of language immersion at an early age are well-documented (regardless of whether the second language is deemed "useful" or retained into higher grades / adulthood). No problem there.

My issue is with the lack of long-term planning... heck, I'd take medium-term planning. There's no question that WFC development is happening. It's happening in stages and just happened to commence with the FCC portion, but that's not like "oh they're thinking twice about it" for the County portion.

4018 at Lemon Road would be a terrible attendance island... those families would drive through Haycock territory via Haycock Road and/or Great Falls to go all the way up to Idyllwood and then back down to Lemon Road. That's a sh!t plan.

4011 is at least a bit closer to Lemon Road, but it still makes way more sense just to move 4022 there now rather than 4022->Haycock followed by 4011->Lemon Road in a few years. The other issue is that you'd be moving HS pyramids for those kids as well. It's a only slightly less sh!t plan.

Given the available capacity at Chesterbrook, perhaps 4105 could get moved there in a couple years when they need space at Haycock.

But the point is, moving 4022 to Haycock now is basically guaranteeing a second unnecessary boundary change in the near future (or adding trailers at Haycock), which is just really poor planning when there's space available elsewhere.

They don’t need a boundary change to lower the number of students at Haycock. They just need to eliminate the AAP center program. The feeder ES have robust LL AAP programs. The center is redundant.

That’s fine for Haycock IF that’s the long-term plan, but I suspect it’s not really, leaving Haycock in the lurch. Furthermore, even if that is the plan, we’d need to run the numbers to see if the other schools remain under capacity when they are no longer sending AAP students to Haycock. Again, the absence of a clear long-term plan is the problem, and there’s no hand-waving that can be done to make those anticipatable issues go away without a plan.

If you want to center Haycock in a discussion about an upcoming boundary change that is sure to have much more impact on two other elementary schools (Kent Gardens and Franklin Sherman) than on Haycock, have at it. The deadline for signing up to testify at the public hearing on the 30th is 6 PM tonight.

The discussion is about all the schools in the McLean area, including the two you mentioned, Haycock, Chesterbrook, and Churchill Road. It is not limited to KG and FS because they have more kids moving in/out. To a lesser extent it should also be thinking about the adjacent Lemon Road, Westgage, and Spring Hill... even if kids aren't moving to/from those schools as part of this particular study, because in the medium-term (5-10 years) we need to be looking at those impacts as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Moving 4022 from Kent Gardens to Haycock makes sense. It’s close to Haycock and many people were suggesting it even before FCPS released any of the scenarios.

Moving 4022 to Lemon Road would create an attendance island and it’s only 38 kids. Had FCPS proposed that, it would have been heavily criticized.

Addressing the current KG overcrowding, not worrying about the situation at Haycock a decade from now, needs to remain the top priority.

Yet moving Haycock kids to Lemon Road is exactly what another poster suggested for their inevitable overcrowding, and 4022 would be the best candidate of the available bad options. Only alternatives are trailers, move kids to Chesterbrook or (*checks map*) Kent Gardens, or reduce its AAP Center population that’s coming from other schools. Or, here’s a crazy idea, find other ways to reduce near-term overcrowding at KG without creating an overcrowding problem at Haycock. They could for example move more kids to schools with available capacity like Chesterbrook or Churchill Road, although the latter touches the apparent 3rd rail of MS/HS shifts.

But the bolded notion (that we can’t address short-term issues while ALSO being mindful of and planning for medium-term ones) is exactly the problem.

The suggestion that FCPS create a new Lemon Road attendance island by moving 4022 there just isn’t very compelling. There are enough attendance islands already.

And the bolded language just reflects reality when it comes to planning in FCPS. Kent Gardens has been overcrowded for years. The plan they’ve proposed is fairly sensible to address both short-term and medium-term issues, recognizing that they may need to revisit Haycock down the road.

The plan only addresses the short-term. They don't even provide projections beyond 5 years, so no ability to look at the medium-term impacts.