DeSantis was Asst. Urinalysis Coordinator in the Navy

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Man, liberals sure are scared of DeSantis.

I’m scared. Should I not be?

He is also a scared control freak. Only a frightened man forbids saying certain words or reading certain books. Strong people don’t do that.

DP

A control freak who is also building a private military that answers only to him.

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-100m-private-florida-army-raises-questions-1786877

Oh, FFS. You are suffering from paranoia.

This, from the Brennan Center for Justice in Dec. 2021......

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/reestablishing-floridas-state-guard-wont-give-desantis-private-army

In practice, though, what DeSantis is proposing is unlikely to pose the threat that his opponents fear: that of a powerful, private state army that can operate as a kind of National Guard free from federal control.

For starters, a “state defense force” — also known as a state military, state military force, state militia, state military reserve, or, in Florida’s case, a state guard — is not a new or unusual concept. Both state defense forces and the National Guard are modern versions of the “Militia” contemplated by the Constitution. State defense forces are authorized by Congress under 32 U.S.C. § 109. Twenty-two states, including California, Texas, and New York, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico currently maintain state defense forces, and many more states have laws that allow for their creation.

In practice, state defense forces tend to be small, auxiliary forces trained in specialized areas such as search and rescue operations and used to support their states’ National Guard. The defense force DeSantis has in mind is no exception. He is calling for a force of 200 volunteers and asking for $3.5 million from the state legislature to train and equip them. The Florida National Guard, by contrast, consists of nearly 12,000 military personnel, employs an additional 450 civilians, and receives more than $454 million in federal funds and about $18 million in state funding annually.

There is thus little risk of a state defense force serving as a significant counterweight to the federally-regulated National Guard. Nor could it somehow replace the Guard; under 32 U.S.C § 104(f), states cannot disband their National Guard without the president’s consent or even reduce their Guard’s strength below the minimum set by the president.


And, from your link:

the purpose......
"to help with emergency response measures and to back up the Florida National Guard."

"The Florida Defence Force, later renamed the State Guard, was formed in 1941 shortly before the U.S. entered World War II, after President Franklin D. Roosevelt federalized the existing National Guard. In 1947 the unit was disbanded, after which it would lay dormant for over 70 years.

A number of U.S. states have state defense forces in some form, many of them geared towards assisting with disaster relief—a major issue in hurricane-prone Florida.

Governor DeSantis announced the Florida State Guard would be reformed in December 2021, and the following year the state legislature approved $10 million to raise a force of 400 soldiers.

Speaking in June 2022 DeSantis said: "The Florida State Guard will be comprised of Floridians, and it will be assigned to assist and help only Floridians.

"It will not be subject to be mobilized by the federal government, and the federal government cannot impose policies or penalties on the Florida State Guard."

Appearing before the Florida Senate's Appropriations Committee, Chris Spencer, DeSantis' director of policy and budget, said the enlarged State Guard would support the National Guard."

Oh FFS YOURSELF. This is some cockamamie bullshit. He's replicating the Florida National Guard, which already exists and already is there to serve the purpose. But he's a power hungry control freak who hates federal government.

Stop covering for the man. This is a completely nonsensical move, which will unnecessarily waste hundreds of millions of Florida taxpayer dollars.

DP. So then I know how outraged you must be about California and New York ALSO having these state guard units - right? Let me help you out with your fact-checking skills:

News 6 investigated and found the national guard’s own records show they have capped the number of Florida National Guard troops at 12,000 since 1958, which resulted in Florida ranking 53 out of 54 states and territories when it comes to the number of troops per capita.

Major Gen. John Haas, the assistant adjutant general for the Florida National Guard, admitted to the shortcomings during a recent meeting of the Florida Senate Committee on Military and Veterans Affairs.

“We will always be challenged as long as we are an undersized formation,” he told the committee.

Twenty-two other states have supplemented the national guard with their own state guard forces.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/investigators/2023/03/09/desantis-seeks-98-million-to-fund-floridas-own-military/

States have the power to create defense forces separate from the national guard, though not all of them use it. If Florida moves ahead with DeSantis’ plan to reestablish the civilian force, it would become the 23rd active state guard in the country, DeSantis’ office said in a press release, joining California, Texas and New York. These guards are little-known auxiliary forces with origins dating back to the advent of state militias in the 18th century. While states and the Department of Defense share control of the National Guard, state guards are solely in the power of a governor.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/florida-state-guard-desantis/index.html

Well that will be real expensive for Florida because the Feds sure as hell are not going to pay for it.

That you actually think he's seeking federal money to pay for a state-run guard tells us all we need to know about your intellect.

"The announcement on Thursday came during a broader rollout of DeSantis’ plan to bolster Florida’s National Guard, which included $100 million in funding proposals to establish three new armories, build a new headquarters for the National Guard Counter Drug Program and provide support for Florida National Guardsmen seeking higher-education degrees."

But but but we were told this is radical leftist socialism.
But but but we were told it was wrong to pay for the education of people going to college.
But but but we were told it was a slap in the face to those who had to pay for their own college.
But but but we were told it was unfair for people who didn't go to college to pay for others to go to college.

Student loan forgiveness bad
Desantis Army free college good

Got it.

Thank you for so beautifully illustrating the level of intellect we're dealing with here. JFC. Members of the military have always been eligible (and always should be) for college grants (ever heard of the GI Bill?). Someone studying 'gender theory' at Middlebury and expecting to have their student loan paid for by taxpayers? Not so much. You seem very confused.

Not confused at all. You're too stupid to understand the points being thrown in your face.

To repeat,

But but but we were told this is radical leftist socialism.
But but but we were told it was wrong to pay for the education of people going to college.
But but but we were told it was a slap in the face to those who had to pay for their own college.
But but but we were told it was unfair for people who didn't go to college to pay for others to go to college.

You right wingers look like complete buffoons throwing your talking points about this stuff around and now you're here saying "GI Bill" as if we never heard of it. OF COURSE we've heard of it. You pointing it out only makes you look even stupider. And by the way, hon - a returning servicemember can use their GI Bill benefits to pursue "gender theory" in college and taxpayers would pay for it. How about them apples?

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Anonymous wrote:And, this is "news?"

Man, liberals sure are scared of DeSantis.

I’m scared. Should I not be?

He is also a scared control freak. Only a frightened man forbids saying certain words or reading certain books. Strong people don’t do that.

DP

A control freak who is also building a private military that answers only to him.

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-100m-private-florida-army-raises-questions-1786877

Oh, FFS. You are suffering from paranoia.

This, from the Brennan Center for Justice in Dec. 2021......

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/reestablishing-floridas-state-guard-wont-give-desantis-private-army

In practice, though, what DeSantis is proposing is unlikely to pose the threat that his opponents fear: that of a powerful, private state army that can operate as a kind of National Guard free from federal control.

For starters, a “state defense force” — also known as a state military, state military force, state militia, state military reserve, or, in Florida’s case, a state guard — is not a new or unusual concept. Both state defense forces and the National Guard are modern versions of the “Militia” contemplated by the Constitution. State defense forces are authorized by Congress under 32 U.S.C. § 109. Twenty-two states, including California, Texas, and New York, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico currently maintain state defense forces, and many more states have laws that allow for their creation.

In practice, state defense forces tend to be small, auxiliary forces trained in specialized areas such as search and rescue operations and used to support their states’ National Guard. The defense force DeSantis has in mind is no exception. He is calling for a force of 200 volunteers and asking for $3.5 million from the state legislature to train and equip them. The Florida National Guard, by contrast, consists of nearly 12,000 military personnel, employs an additional 450 civilians, and receives more than $454 million in federal funds and about $18 million in state funding annually.

There is thus little risk of a state defense force serving as a significant counterweight to the federally-regulated National Guard. Nor could it somehow replace the Guard; under 32 U.S.C § 104(f), states cannot disband their National Guard without the president’s consent or even reduce their Guard’s strength below the minimum set by the president.


And, from your link:

the purpose......
"to help with emergency response measures and to back up the Florida National Guard."

"The Florida Defence Force, later renamed the State Guard, was formed in 1941 shortly before the U.S. entered World War II, after President Franklin D. Roosevelt federalized the existing National Guard. In 1947 the unit was disbanded, after which it would lay dormant for over 70 years.

A number of U.S. states have state defense forces in some form, many of them geared towards assisting with disaster relief—a major issue in hurricane-prone Florida.

Governor DeSantis announced the Florida State Guard would be reformed in December 2021, and the following year the state legislature approved $10 million to raise a force of 400 soldiers.

Speaking in June 2022 DeSantis said: "The Florida State Guard will be comprised of Floridians, and it will be assigned to assist and help only Floridians.

"It will not be subject to be mobilized by the federal government, and the federal government cannot impose policies or penalties on the Florida State Guard."

Appearing before the Florida Senate's Appropriations Committee, Chris Spencer, DeSantis' director of policy and budget, said the enlarged State Guard would support the National Guard."

Oh FFS YOURSELF. This is some cockamamie bullshit. He's replicating the Florida National Guard, which already exists and already is there to serve the purpose. But he's a power hungry control freak who hates federal government.

Stop covering for the man. This is a completely nonsensical move, which will unnecessarily waste hundreds of millions of Florida taxpayer dollars.

DP. So then I know how outraged you must be about California and New York ALSO having these state guard units - right? Let me help you out with your fact-checking skills:

News 6 investigated and found the national guard’s own records show they have capped the number of Florida National Guard troops at 12,000 since 1958, which resulted in Florida ranking 53 out of 54 states and territories when it comes to the number of troops per capita.

Major Gen. John Haas, the assistant adjutant general for the Florida National Guard, admitted to the shortcomings during a recent meeting of the Florida Senate Committee on Military and Veterans Affairs.

“We will always be challenged as long as we are an undersized formation,” he told the committee.

Twenty-two other states have supplemented the national guard with their own state guard forces.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/investigators/2023/03/09/desantis-seeks-98-million-to-fund-floridas-own-military/

States have the power to create defense forces separate from the national guard, though not all of them use it. If Florida moves ahead with DeSantis’ plan to reestablish the civilian force, it would become the 23rd active state guard in the country, DeSantis’ office said in a press release, joining California, Texas and New York. These guards are little-known auxiliary forces with origins dating back to the advent of state militias in the 18th century. While states and the Department of Defense share control of the National Guard, state guards are solely in the power of a governor.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/florida-state-guard-desantis/index.html

Why was this necessary? The rest of the nation has ALWAYS come together to support Florida when it was in crisis, from hurricanes and other events. National Guard units from all around the country get sent to Florida. That's what the Guard is there for. No need for something separate.

Can you read?

News 6 investigated and found the national guard’s own records show they have capped the number of Florida National Guard troops at 12,000 since 1958, which resulted in Florida ranking 53 out of 54 states and territories when it comes to the number of troops per capita.

Major Gen. John Haas, the assistant adjutant general for the Florida National Guard, admitted to the shortcomings during a recent meeting of the Florida Senate Committee on Military and Veterans Affairs.

“We will always be challenged as long as we are an undersized formation,” he told the committee.

Are you this outraged about the other 22 states that have their own state guards? Do you understand how utterly stupid you sound?

Rather than doing anything about the cap they go off and create a second, separate guard? Sounds like some pretty dumb logic to me.

Still waiting for you to answer the bolded question (the second question was rhetorical, don't worry).

Still waiting for you to answer how it makes sense to create a completely new second Guard rather than just amending raising the obviously outdated cap on the one that already exists. Nothing you've posted gives a good rationale for it.

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Anonymous wrote:And, this is "news?"

Man, liberals sure are scared of DeSantis.

I’m scared. Should I not be?

He is also a scared control freak. Only a frightened man forbids saying certain words or reading certain books. Strong people don’t do that.

DP

A control freak who is also building a private military that answers only to him.

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-100m-private-florida-army-raises-questions-1786877

Oh, FFS. You are suffering from paranoia.

This, from the Brennan Center for Justice in Dec. 2021......

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/reestablishing-floridas-state-guard-wont-give-desantis-private-army

In practice, though, what DeSantis is proposing is unlikely to pose the threat that his opponents fear: that of a powerful, private state army that can operate as a kind of National Guard free from federal control.

For starters, a “state defense force” — also known as a state military, state military force, state militia, state military reserve, or, in Florida’s case, a state guard — is not a new or unusual concept. Both state defense forces and the National Guard are modern versions of the “Militia” contemplated by the Constitution. State defense forces are authorized by Congress under 32 U.S.C. § 109. Twenty-two states, including California, Texas, and New York, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico currently maintain state defense forces, and many more states have laws that allow for their creation.

In practice, state defense forces tend to be small, auxiliary forces trained in specialized areas such as search and rescue operations and used to support their states’ National Guard. The defense force DeSantis has in mind is no exception. He is calling for a force of 200 volunteers and asking for $3.5 million from the state legislature to train and equip them. The Florida National Guard, by contrast, consists of nearly 12,000 military personnel, employs an additional 450 civilians, and receives more than $454 million in federal funds and about $18 million in state funding annually.

There is thus little risk of a state defense force serving as a significant counterweight to the federally-regulated National Guard. Nor could it somehow replace the Guard; under 32 U.S.C § 104(f), states cannot disband their National Guard without the president’s consent or even reduce their Guard’s strength below the minimum set by the president.


And, from your link:

the purpose......
"to help with emergency response measures and to back up the Florida National Guard."

"The Florida Defence Force, later renamed the State Guard, was formed in 1941 shortly before the U.S. entered World War II, after President Franklin D. Roosevelt federalized the existing National Guard. In 1947 the unit was disbanded, after which it would lay dormant for over 70 years.

A number of U.S. states have state defense forces in some form, many of them geared towards assisting with disaster relief—a major issue in hurricane-prone Florida.

Governor DeSantis announced the Florida State Guard would be reformed in December 2021, and the following year the state legislature approved $10 million to raise a force of 400 soldiers.

Speaking in June 2022 DeSantis said: "The Florida State Guard will be comprised of Floridians, and it will be assigned to assist and help only Floridians.

"It will not be subject to be mobilized by the federal government, and the federal government cannot impose policies or penalties on the Florida State Guard."

Appearing before the Florida Senate's Appropriations Committee, Chris Spencer, DeSantis' director of policy and budget, said the enlarged State Guard would support the National Guard."

Oh FFS YOURSELF. This is some cockamamie bullshit. He's replicating the Florida National Guard, which already exists and already is there to serve the purpose. But he's a power hungry control freak who hates federal government.

Stop covering for the man. This is a completely nonsensical move, which will unnecessarily waste hundreds of millions of Florida taxpayer dollars.

DP. So then I know how outraged you must be about California and New York ALSO having these state guard units - right? Let me help you out with your fact-checking skills:

News 6 investigated and found the national guard’s own records show they have capped the number of Florida National Guard troops at 12,000 since 1958, which resulted in Florida ranking 53 out of 54 states and territories when it comes to the number of troops per capita.

Major Gen. John Haas, the assistant adjutant general for the Florida National Guard, admitted to the shortcomings during a recent meeting of the Florida Senate Committee on Military and Veterans Affairs.

“We will always be challenged as long as we are an undersized formation,” he told the committee.

Twenty-two other states have supplemented the national guard with their own state guard forces.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/investigators/2023/03/09/desantis-seeks-98-million-to-fund-floridas-own-military/

States have the power to create defense forces separate from the national guard, though not all of them use it. If Florida moves ahead with DeSantis’ plan to reestablish the civilian force, it would become the 23rd active state guard in the country, DeSantis’ office said in a press release, joining California, Texas and New York. These guards are little-known auxiliary forces with origins dating back to the advent of state militias in the 18th century. While states and the Department of Defense share control of the National Guard, state guards are solely in the power of a governor.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/florida-state-guard-desantis/index.html

Why was this necessary? The rest of the nation has ALWAYS come together to support Florida when it was in crisis, from hurricanes and other events. National Guard units from all around the country get sent to Florida. That's what the Guard is there for. No need for something separate.

Can you read?

News 6 investigated and found the national guard’s own records show they have capped the number of Florida National Guard troops at 12,000 since 1958, which resulted in Florida ranking 53 out of 54 states and territories when it comes to the number of troops per capita.

Major Gen. John Haas, the assistant adjutant general for the Florida National Guard, admitted to the shortcomings during a recent meeting of the Florida Senate Committee on Military and Veterans Affairs.

“We will always be challenged as long as we are an undersized formation,” he told the committee.

Are you this outraged about the other 22 states that have their own state guards? Do you understand how utterly stupid you sound?

Rather than doing anything about the cap they go off and create a second, separate guard? Sounds like some pretty dumb logic to me.

Still waiting for you to answer the bolded question (the second question was rhetorical, don't worry).

Still waiting for you to answer how it makes sense to create a completely new second Guard rather than just amending raising the obviously outdated cap on the one that already exists. Nothing you've posted gives a good rationale for it.

You still haven't answered the question in bold that was asked of you first. Keep up the outrage about Florida - meanwhile, 22 other states have *already* done exactly the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:And, this is "news?"

Man, liberals sure are scared of DeSantis.

I’m scared. Should I not be?

He is also a scared control freak. Only a frightened man forbids saying certain words or reading certain books. Strong people don’t do that.

DP

A control freak who is also building a private military that answers only to him.

https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-100m-private-florida-army-raises-questions-1786877

Oh, FFS. You are suffering from paranoia.

This, from the Brennan Center for Justice in Dec. 2021......

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/reestablishing-floridas-state-guard-wont-give-desantis-private-army

In practice, though, what DeSantis is proposing is unlikely to pose the threat that his opponents fear: that of a powerful, private state army that can operate as a kind of National Guard free from federal control.

For starters, a “state defense force” — also known as a state military, state military force, state militia, state military reserve, or, in Florida’s case, a state guard — is not a new or unusual concept. Both state defense forces and the National Guard are modern versions of the “Militia” contemplated by the Constitution. State defense forces are authorized by Congress under 32 U.S.C. § 109. Twenty-two states, including California, Texas, and New York, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico currently maintain state defense forces, and many more states have laws that allow for their creation.

In practice, state defense forces tend to be small, auxiliary forces trained in specialized areas such as search and rescue operations and used to support their states’ National Guard. The defense force DeSantis has in mind is no exception. He is calling for a force of 200 volunteers and asking for $3.5 million from the state legislature to train and equip them. The Florida National Guard, by contrast, consists of nearly 12,000 military personnel, employs an additional 450 civilians, and receives more than $454 million in federal funds and about $18 million in state funding annually.

There is thus little risk of a state defense force serving as a significant counterweight to the federally-regulated National Guard. Nor could it somehow replace the Guard; under 32 U.S.C § 104(f), states cannot disband their National Guard without the president’s consent or even reduce their Guard’s strength below the minimum set by the president.


And, from your link:

the purpose......
"to help with emergency response measures and to back up the Florida National Guard."

"The Florida Defence Force, later renamed the State Guard, was formed in 1941 shortly before the U.S. entered World War II, after President Franklin D. Roosevelt federalized the existing National Guard. In 1947 the unit was disbanded, after which it would lay dormant for over 70 years.

A number of U.S. states have state defense forces in some form, many of them geared towards assisting with disaster relief—a major issue in hurricane-prone Florida.

Governor DeSantis announced the Florida State Guard would be reformed in December 2021, and the following year the state legislature approved $10 million to raise a force of 400 soldiers.

Speaking in June 2022 DeSantis said: "The Florida State Guard will be comprised of Floridians, and it will be assigned to assist and help only Floridians.

"It will not be subject to be mobilized by the federal government, and the federal government cannot impose policies or penalties on the Florida State Guard."

Appearing before the Florida Senate's Appropriations Committee, Chris Spencer, DeSantis' director of policy and budget, said the enlarged State Guard would support the National Guard."

Oh FFS YOURSELF. This is some cockamamie bullshit. He's replicating the Florida National Guard, which already exists and already is there to serve the purpose. But he's a power hungry control freak who hates federal government.

Stop covering for the man. This is a completely nonsensical move, which will unnecessarily waste hundreds of millions of Florida taxpayer dollars.

DP. So then I know how outraged you must be about California and New York ALSO having these state guard units - right? Let me help you out with your fact-checking skills:

News 6 investigated and found the national guard’s own records show they have capped the number of Florida National Guard troops at 12,000 since 1958, which resulted in Florida ranking 53 out of 54 states and territories when it comes to the number of troops per capita.

Major Gen. John Haas, the assistant adjutant general for the Florida National Guard, admitted to the shortcomings during a recent meeting of the Florida Senate Committee on Military and Veterans Affairs.

“We will always be challenged as long as we are an undersized formation,” he told the committee.

Twenty-two other states have supplemented the national guard with their own state guard forces.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/investigators/2023/03/09/desantis-seeks-98-million-to-fund-floridas-own-military/

States have the power to create defense forces separate from the national guard, though not all of them use it. If Florida moves ahead with DeSantis’ plan to reestablish the civilian force, it would become the 23rd active state guard in the country, DeSantis’ office said in a press release, joining California, Texas and New York. These guards are little-known auxiliary forces with origins dating back to the advent of state militias in the 18th century. While states and the Department of Defense share control of the National Guard, state guards are solely in the power of a governor.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/florida-state-guard-desantis/index.html

Well that will be real expensive for Florida because the Feds sure as hell are not going to pay for it.

That you actually think he's seeking federal money to pay for a state-run guard tells us all we need to know about your intellect.

"The announcement on Thursday came during a broader rollout of DeSantis’ plan to bolster Florida’s National Guard, which included $100 million in funding proposals to establish three new armories, build a new headquarters for the National Guard Counter Drug Program and provide support for Florida National Guardsmen seeking higher-education degrees."

But but but we were told this is radical leftist socialism.
But but but we were told it was wrong to pay for the education of people going to college.
But but but we were told it was a slap in the face to those who had to pay for their own college.
But but but we were told it was unfair for people who didn't go to college to pay for others to go to college.

Student loan forgiveness bad
Desantis Army free college good

Got it.

Thank you for so beautifully illustrating the level of intellect we're dealing with here. JFC. Members of the military have always been eligible (and always should be) for college grants (ever heard of the GI Bill?). Someone studying 'gender theory' at Middlebury and expecting to have their student loan paid for by taxpayers? Not so much. You seem very confused.

Not confused at all. You're too stupid to understand the points being thrown in your face.

To repeat,

But but but we were told this is radical leftist socialism.
But but but we were told it was wrong to pay for the education of people going to college.
But but but we were told it was a slap in the face to those who had to pay for their own college.
But but but we were told it was unfair for people who didn't go to college to pay for others to go to college.

You right wingers look like complete buffoons throwing your talking points about this stuff around and now you're here saying "GI Bill" as if we never heard of it. OF COURSE we've heard of it. You pointing it out only makes you look even stupider. And by the way, hon - a returning servicemember can use their GI Bill benefits to pursue "gender theory" in college and taxpayers would pay for it. How about them apples?

Not in a Florida public university.

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😂 seriously?

Where are the tier 1 operators?

Making an honest living. Not politicians, in other words.