Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:Germany is wanting this war to end…..

European support is waning, so is US popular support.

Time to end this miserable war.


Look, you are just some Russian troll, or possibly brainwashed by that compromised idiot Tucker Carlson.

Either way, your point is simply wrong.

The “industry” of fighting aggression, war crimes, genocide is actually that. It’s an industry. It is built into the educational DNA of any serious history, foreign relations, law, or philosophy graduate from a US or European school since 1980.

These people rule the EU and to a (sadly) smaller extent some of our foreign policy establishment here in the US. Beyond that, the EU has built into its governmental structure the requirement to pursue war crimes - and it’s now engaged in exactly that. The EU can simply NOT step away from pursuing war crimes and the overall aggression in Ukraine, without violating fundamental laws, or losing all moral credibility. Won’t happen.

Whether he knew it or not, Putin did “burn his ships,” just like Cortez. There is no going back to the status quo ante bellum.

Everything Russia has done since 2/22 is a massive “trigger” to almost the entire western establishment. Every moral, historical, trip-wire and code-word of “never again” has been triggered. The west is “all-in” in the war to defeat Russia, and there is no going back, abandoning Ukraine, letting war crimes slide or cutting a high-level deal to let crimes go unpunished, in exchange for any degree of peace.

This all may sound a bit “pie in the sky” dreaming, but it’s not. It is the current reality. Look at European polls. Look at the rhetoric of European leaders and foreign ministers. A lot of these nuances never get through our watered-down media , especially if you do not go out and actively look for it, but it’s there. I know the research of legitimate news sources will back me up on this. There is not as much political “wiggle room” to end this war as people want to believe, or that Trump foolishly thinks.

There are things that are politically possible, and things that are not. Going backward to the world of 1/22 is not possible. That bridge was burned, irrevocably.

As to the situation on the ground:

- we have now disclosed we have already trained Ukrainian pilots on our old (really old) F-16 fighter jets. We own tens of thousands of these. And plenty of extra munitions to arm them for decades.

Biden stated he is NOT giving F16s to Ukraine.

Not yet, anyway.

Your move, Vlad. But never forget: The Hague awaits you.


You say this but post Hitler, the EU or the “west” has never prosecuted crimes against humanity committed by “the west”. Iraq? Libya? Yemen? Afghanistan? LatAm? The West has been massively hypocritical in calling out crimes committed by some people but never by others. So let’s not talk nonsense about the systemic impulse to prosecute crimes against humanity because it does not exist, never did.


You say that as if your line-up of "victims" weren't absolutely brutal terror regimes and dictatorships responsible for killing far more of their own people than the US ever did.

Go away with your half-baked whataboutism. You are seriously missing the mark.


Right….because life for Iraqis, afghans and Libyans are SOOO much better post American invasion. Really what you’re saying is don’t count brown Muslim victims, they are ok to kill.


Those "brown victims" died at the hands of their fellow countrymen. Iraqis, Libyans, Afghans - they were handed an opportunity to choose a new future and a new path forward for themselves. They instead chose violence and killing each other. 🤷‍♂️

I mean, completely unrelated to the thread, but LOL!!!
Are you that stupid?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Trump had been re-elected...



Bad statement, that is true.

But lets not forget Biden's atrocious statements, "An incursion is not an invasion," and his offer to "give President Zelenskyy a ride" out of Ukraine / encouraging him to cowardly flee and abandon Ukraine.

NATO / the EU has fortunately made him heel to their plan, and begrudgingly comply with what needs to be done: the defeat of Russia (and hopefully its collapse).


That Biden phrasing was because Russia already incursing due to Crimea and Donetsk.

Nobody brought Zelensky to heel. It's more the other way round. By staying and by Ukraine fighting back they proved their willingness and capacity to fight for their own country. If they hadn't done that then they wouldn't have gotten support.


Sorry; poor phrasing: it was Biden who was brought to heel, and made to understand the Russian threat to all of Europe.

Russia has repeatedly said they will take back all of Ukraine, and they have no intention of stopping there. Russia’s main threats involve re-invading the Baltics and Poland.


LOL so people say the Russian army is poorly supplied, poorly commanded, obsolete and fighting with wooden sticks and basically a second away from collapsing.

AND

They are about to invade the Baltics and Poland, NATO MEMBERS, with this supposedly ragtag army. Hmmmm..

One of these things doesn't fit.

Also, you should know that the French, the Spanish, the Italian, the German etc. do not at all feel threatened by this mythical Russian invasion. "All of Europe", suuure.
Anonymous
Russian forces additionally likely lack the mechanized forces necessary to advance beyond Bakhmut, and the tactical “assault detachments” used in assaults against Bakhmut are likely unable to conduct maneuver warfare. Recent Russian advances within urban areas of Bakhmut demonstrate that Russian forces can secure limited tactical gains with infantry-led frontal assaults. Russian forces likely lack the mechanized forces necessary to exploit the roads (which are likely highly fortified) west of Bakhmut. As recently reported, Russian forces are increasingly relying on “assault detachments,” a battalion-size element optimized for frontal assaults on fortified areas, rather than for maneuver warfare. These detachments are artillery-heavy, use simplified tactics, relegate tanks to a fire support role in rear areas, and would almost certainly struggle to effectively conduct operations beyond urban areas. A prominent Russian milblogger echoed this observation on March 7, noting that assault detachments are simply too small to “punch a wide and deep gap” in Ukrainian defensive formations and follow with tank and mechanized battalions, and called for the formation of “breakthrough brigades,” a change likely far beyond the current capabilities of Russian forces in the area. The continuing devolution of Russian force structure towards small assault detachments using simplified tactics, combined with mounting losses among the most effective Russian troops, will likely greatly limit the ability of Russian forces to properly exploit any paths of advance opened by the capture of Bakhmut Russian forces remain unlikely to secure more than a tactical victory following 10 months of assaults.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Trump had been re-elected...



Bad statement, that is true.

But lets not forget Biden's atrocious statements, "An incursion is not an invasion," and his offer to "give President Zelenskyy a ride" out of Ukraine / encouraging him to cowardly flee and abandon Ukraine.

NATO / the EU has fortunately made him heel to their plan, and begrudgingly comply with what needs to be done: the defeat of Russia (and hopefully its collapse).


That Biden phrasing was because Russia already incursing due to Crimea and Donetsk.

Nobody brought Zelensky to heel. It's more the other way round. By staying and by Ukraine fighting back they proved their willingness and capacity to fight for their own country. If they hadn't done that then they wouldn't have gotten support.


Sorry; poor phrasing: it was Biden who was brought to heel, and made to understand the Russian threat to all of Europe.

Russia has repeatedly said they will take back all of Ukraine, and they have no intention of stopping there. Russia’s main threats involve re-invading the Baltics and Poland.


LOL so people say the Russian army is poorly supplied, poorly commanded, obsolete and fighting with wooden sticks and basically a second away from collapsing.

AND

They are about to invade the Baltics and Poland, NATO MEMBERS, with this supposedly ragtag army. Hmmmm..

One of these things doesn't fit.

Also, you should know that the French, the Spanish, the Italian, the German etc. do not at all feel threatened by this mythical Russian invasion. "All of Europe", suuure.


Ask Russia why they keep explicitly threatening Poland, the Baltics, etc. I agree that it doesn't make any logical sense because they dont have either the capacity or capability to do so. Nevertheless they keep making the threats.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Trump had been re-elected...



Bad statement, that is true.

But lets not forget Biden's atrocious statements, "An incursion is not an invasion," and his offer to "give President Zelenskyy a ride" out of Ukraine / encouraging him to cowardly flee and abandon Ukraine.

NATO / the EU has fortunately made him heel to their plan, and begrudgingly comply with what needs to be done: the defeat of Russia (and hopefully its collapse).


That Biden phrasing was because Russia already incursing due to Crimea and Donetsk.

Nobody brought Zelensky to heel. It's more the other way round. By staying and by Ukraine fighting back they proved their willingness and capacity to fight for their own country. If they hadn't done that then they wouldn't have gotten support.


Sorry; poor phrasing: it was Biden who was brought to heel, and made to understand the Russian threat to all of Europe.

Russia has repeatedly said they will take back all of Ukraine, and they have no intention of stopping there. Russia’s main threats involve re-invading the Baltics and Poland.


LOL so people say the Russian army is poorly supplied, poorly commanded, obsolete and fighting with wooden sticks and basically a second away from collapsing.

AND

They are about to invade the Baltics and Poland, NATO MEMBERS, with this supposedly ragtag army. Hmmmm..

One of these things doesn't fit.

Also, you should know that the French, the Spanish, the Italian, the German etc. do not at all feel threatened by this mythical Russian invasion. "All of Europe", suuure.


Ask Russia why they keep explicitly threatening Poland, the Baltics, etc. I agree that it doesn't make any logical sense because they dont have either the capacity or capability to do so. Nevertheless they keep making the threats.


People say all kinds of things; doesn't mean it's true.

Remember that in 2008 Putin could have very easily overtaken Tbilisi yet chose not to.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Trump had been re-elected...



Bad statement, that is true.

But lets not forget Biden's atrocious statements, "An incursion is not an invasion," and his offer to "give President Zelenskyy a ride" out of Ukraine / encouraging him to cowardly flee and abandon Ukraine.

NATO / the EU has fortunately made him heel to their plan, and begrudgingly comply with what needs to be done: the defeat of Russia (and hopefully its collapse).


That Biden phrasing was because Russia already incursing due to Crimea and Donetsk.

Nobody brought Zelensky to heel. It's more the other way round. By staying and by Ukraine fighting back they proved their willingness and capacity to fight for their own country. If they hadn't done that then they wouldn't have gotten support.


Sorry; poor phrasing: it was Biden who was brought to heel, and made to understand the Russian threat to all of Europe.

Russia has repeatedly said they will take back all of Ukraine, and they have no intention of stopping there. Russia’s main threats involve re-invading the Baltics and Poland.


LOL so people say the Russian army is poorly supplied, poorly commanded, obsolete and fighting with wooden sticks and basically a second away from collapsing.

AND

They are about to invade the Baltics and Poland, NATO MEMBERS, with this supposedly ragtag army. Hmmmm..

One of these things doesn't fit.

Also, you should know that the French, the Spanish, the Italian, the German etc. do not at all feel threatened by this mythical Russian invasion. "All of Europe", suuure.


Go away, Russian troll. Nobody here is buying what you're selling.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:In the meantime:

WASHINGTON — New intelligence reviewed by U.S. officials suggests that a pro-Ukrainian group carried out the attack on the Nord Stream pipelines last year, a step toward determining responsibility for an act of sabotage that has confounded investigators on both sides of the Atlantic for months.

U.S. officials said that they had no evidence President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine or his top lieutenants were involved in the operation, or that the perpetrators were acting at the direction of any Ukrainian government officials.

The brazen attack on the natural gas pipelines, which link Russia to Western Europe, fueled public speculation about who was to blame, from Moscow to Kyiv and London to Washington, and it has remained one of the most consequential unsolved mysteries of Russia’s year-old war in Ukraine.

Ukraine and its allies have been seen by some officials as having the most logical potential motive to attack the pipelines.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/us/politics/nord-stream-pipeline-sabotage-ukraine.html


Article is behind a paywall; dr.


Don’t believe everything you read . This was a poorly sourced story citing intelligence officials and has been widely ridiculed
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Trump had been re-elected...



Bad statement, that is true.

But lets not forget Biden's atrocious statements, "An incursion is not an invasion," and his offer to "give President Zelenskyy a ride" out of Ukraine / encouraging him to cowardly flee and abandon Ukraine.

NATO / the EU has fortunately made him heel to their plan, and begrudgingly comply with what needs to be done: the defeat of Russia (and hopefully its collapse).


That Biden phrasing was because Russia already incursing due to Crimea and Donetsk.

Nobody brought Zelensky to heel. It's more the other way round. By staying and by Ukraine fighting back they proved their willingness and capacity to fight for their own country. If they hadn't done that then they wouldn't have gotten support.


Sorry; poor phrasing: it was Biden who was brought to heel, and made to understand the Russian threat to all of Europe.

Russia has repeatedly said they will take back all of Ukraine, and they have no intention of stopping there. Russia’s main threats involve re-invading the Baltics and Poland.


LOL so people say the Russian army is poorly supplied, poorly commanded, obsolete and fighting with wooden sticks and basically a second away from collapsing.

AND

They are about to invade the Baltics and Poland, NATO MEMBERS, with this supposedly ragtag army. Hmmmm..

One of these things doesn't fit.

Also, you should know that the French, the Spanish, the Italian, the German etc. do not at all feel threatened by this mythical Russian invasion. "All of Europe", suuure.


Ask Russia why they keep explicitly threatening Poland, the Baltics, etc. I agree that it doesn't make any logical sense because they dont have either the capacity or capability to do so. Nevertheless they keep making the threats.


There are many layers of complexity, for example starting with the fact that Putin has for years surrounded himself with legions of yes-men who tell him whatever he wants to hear; there are his "friends" - the oligarchs who promised to "help" him but in turn just enriched themselves by stealing money intended for maintaining Russian military equipment, training personnel and other vital functions. It is in fact both true that Putin earnestly believed that he could conquer Ukraine in 3 days yet not understand that this was in fact not true.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If Trump had been re-elected...



Bad statement, that is true.

But lets not forget Biden's atrocious statements, "An incursion is not an invasion," and his offer to "give President Zelenskyy a ride" out of Ukraine / encouraging him to cowardly flee and abandon Ukraine.

NATO / the EU has fortunately made him heel to their plan, and begrudgingly comply with what needs to be done: the defeat of Russia (and hopefully its collapse).


That Biden phrasing was because Russia already incursing due to Crimea and Donetsk.

Nobody brought Zelensky to heel. It's more the other way round. By staying and by Ukraine fighting back they proved their willingness and capacity to fight for their own country. If they hadn't done that then they wouldn't have gotten support.


Sorry; poor phrasing: it was Biden who was brought to heel, and made to understand the Russian threat to all of Europe.

Russia has repeatedly said they will take back all of Ukraine, and they have no intention of stopping there. Russia’s main threats involve re-invading the Baltics and Poland.


LOL so people say the Russian army is poorly supplied, poorly commanded, obsolete and fighting with wooden sticks and basically a second away from collapsing.

AND

They are about to invade the Baltics and Poland, NATO MEMBERS, with this supposedly ragtag army. Hmmmm..

One of these things doesn't fit.

Also, you should know that the French, the Spanish, the Italian, the German etc. do not at all feel threatened by this mythical Russian invasion. "All of Europe", suuure.


Ask Russia why they keep explicitly threatening Poland, the Baltics, etc. I agree that it doesn't make any logical sense because they dont have either the capacity or capability to do so. Nevertheless they keep making the threats.


There are many layers of complexity, for example starting with the fact that Putin has for years surrounded himself with legions of yes-men who tell him whatever he wants to hear; there are his "friends" - the oligarchs who promised to "help" him but in turn just enriched themselves by stealing money intended for maintaining Russian military equipment, training personnel and other vital functions. It is in fact both true that Putin earnestly believed that he could conquer Ukraine in 3 days yet not understand that this was in fact not true.


There is an old Russian movie called the Twelve Chairs which takes place in the years after the revolution (the premise is someone held the family jewels in an upholstered chair that was part of a set of 12 and he is desperately hunting across the USSR to find the chair). Anyway, there is a scene in which he finds a room labeled something like “The People’s orchestra of the victorious hero workers” —when he opens the door, it is one guy with a sad old tuba — because everything else has been stolen through grift. All name, no instruments. As it ever was in Russia.
Oddly, Mel brooks made a remake of that same movie!
Anonymous
So who blew up Nordstream now? Some Ukrainian guys but not with zelensky authoriAtion?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So who blew up Nordstream now? Some Ukrainian guys but not with zelensky authoriAtion?


I don’t think we will ever know. There is “low confidence” intelligence that it is operatives aligned with Ukraine, likely with former special operations training.

Frankly it sounds like someone paid ex-SEALS to do the dirty work. There are supposedly 40+ boats that passed through the area with their homing beacons purposely disabled.

I’ve always thought it was done by oligarchs disgruntled with Putin. Alternatively it could have been done by Ukrainian oligarchs/nationalists without Zalensky’s approval. Two groups with the same objective.

Either way, the move was pretty critical in forcing Europe closer to Ukraine. And Scholz is dirty dirty dirty, so the Ukrainians knew he couldn’t be trusted, so they forced his hand.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So who blew up Nordstream now? Some Ukrainian guys but not with zelensky authoriAtion?


I don’t think we will ever know. There is “low confidence” intelligence that it is operatives aligned with Ukraine, likely with former special operations training.

Frankly it sounds like someone paid ex-SEALS to do the dirty work. There are supposedly 40+ boats that passed through the area with their homing beacons purposely disabled.

I’ve always thought it was done by oligarchs disgruntled with Putin. Alternatively it could have been done by Ukrainian oligarchs/nationalists without Zalensky’s approval. Two groups with the same objective.

Either way, the move was pretty critical in forcing Europe closer to Ukraine. And Scholz is dirty dirty dirty, so the Ukrainians knew he couldn’t be trusted, so they forced his hand.



Even if these teams could technically pull off the demolition, doing it under NATO's noses is another matter. NATO either turned a blind eye to this, gave permission or doesn't have anywhere near the monitoring capability it claims.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So who blew up Nordstream now? Some Ukrainian guys but not with zelensky authoriAtion?


I don’t think we will ever know. There is “low confidence” intelligence that it is operatives aligned with Ukraine, likely with former special operations training.

Frankly it sounds like someone paid ex-SEALS to do the dirty work. There are supposedly 40+ boats that passed through the area with their homing beacons purposely disabled.

I’ve always thought it was done by oligarchs disgruntled with Putin. Alternatively it could have been done by Ukrainian oligarchs/nationalists without Zalensky’s approval. Two groups with the same objective.

Either way, the move was pretty critical in forcing Europe closer to Ukraine. And Scholz is dirty dirty dirty, so the Ukrainians knew he couldn’t be trusted, so they forced his hand.



Even if these teams could technically pull off the demolition, doing it under NATO's noses is another matter. NATO either turned a blind eye to this, gave permission or doesn't have anywhere near the monitoring capability it claims.


It's pretty obvious that whoever did it had access to state level resources. Explosives, expertise, divers, planning AND making it happen in the heavily trafficked areas where discovery was a real possibility. Do not tell me there was no government level cooperation in this, that's BS.

What's obvious is that the initial knee-jerk response "it's Putin's fault!" is wrong since not a shred of evidence points at Russia.

The other interesting thing is that no one is talking about accountability. I mean if an American pipeline got blown up, you can be sure someone would call it an act of terrorism.
Anonymous
For the MAGAs, Putin was clearly afraid of Trump, right? Right? And that's why they didn't decide to invade under his administration. Or as Trump just acknowledged, he'd just hand over parts of Ukraine to Russia:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/03/09/donald-trump-have-let-putin-annex-ukraine-end-war/

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So who blew up Nordstream now? Some Ukrainian guys but not with zelensky authoriAtion?


I don’t think we will ever know. There is “low confidence” intelligence that it is operatives aligned with Ukraine, likely with former special operations training.

Frankly it sounds like someone paid ex-SEALS to do the dirty work. There are supposedly 40+ boats that passed through the area with their homing beacons purposely disabled.

I’ve always thought it was done by oligarchs disgruntled with Putin. Alternatively it could have been done by Ukrainian oligarchs/nationalists without Zalensky’s approval. Two groups with the same objective.

Either way, the move was pretty critical in forcing Europe closer to Ukraine. And Scholz is dirty dirty dirty, so the Ukrainians knew he couldn’t be trusted, so they forced his hand.


One obvious theory would look at who benefits from Europe's alternative purchasing sources. Clearly that guy had a major interest in cutting out the competitors, wouldn't you say so?
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