"Teacher of the Year" quits over Common Core tests
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Anonymous
No, you're the one who wants it -- you ask for it. Really, this is a very silly conversation. |
Anonymous
| It is a silly conversation because you cannot prove your argument. You want to support your argument--you give us the data. |
Anonymous
That and you have to be nuts to think money wouldn't be swept when a mandate is repealed. |
Anonymous
Like, they really think someone on an anonymous message board is going to spend days scanning thousands of pages of documentation and posting it here just because some other irrational anonymous crank is too lazy to do so? |
Anonymous
No. Like if it existed, it would already be available. You know that. |
Anonymous
But I don't want you to support my argument. You're the one saying there are no data. This is the conversation: You: THERE ARE NO DATA! Other people: Actually there are data. You: Prove it! Other people: You're the one who said there are no data; you prove it. You: No, you prove it! I honestly don't care what you think about the Common Core State Standards. It just bugs me when people are wrong on the Internet. http://xkcd.com/386/ |
Anonymous
There's a circular argument. I haven't seen it, therefore it doesn't exist, because if it did exist, I would have seen it. |
Anonymous
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/09/17/four-common-core-flimflams/
Someone else asked for data. Some one with lots more clout than an anonymous poster. Read to find what she received. |
Anonymous
So the principal of a New York high school asked somebody from the Fordham Institute for evidence of the research on Common Core reading methods (meaning: close reading, increased Lexile levels, and the use of informational texts in the primary grades), and apparently he said he'd get back to her but hasn't yet. A damning indictment of the Common Core State Standards? I don't think so. I'm also astonished to learn that using informational texts in the primary grades is "a questionable practice". Not to mention that the reading level at the end of K in the Maryland standards before the Common Core State Standards was actually higher than the CCSS reading level at the end of K. |
Anonymous
| Where's the data? Where's the documentation? |
Anonymous
If you really want to know the answers to these questions, then the NGA and the CCSSO are good places to start looking. If you just like typing "Where's the data? Where's the documentation?", then DCUM is a good place to do that. |
Anonymous
^^^or could e-mail Michael Petrilli of the Fordham Institute at mpetrilli@edexcellence.net , or tweet at him at @MichaelPetrilli #wheresthedatawheresthedocumentation |
Anonymous
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Being caught up in data is what got us into this ridiculousness. Nobody seems to be credible anymore without "data". I know someone who is evaluated based on the data of how long people stay in her unit in the hospital. She is compared to a unit in a community 50 miles away where most of the patients are much younger. Well, of course her statistics are not as good. The result is that her employees will get a 1.5% wage increase this year while the employees in the unit 50 miles away will get a 3.5% increase. Yes, data are always fair in telling us what is going on and in making decisions. Best thing is that you can always blame the "data" instead of people for making the bad decisions. |
Anonymous
| Well, you claim the standards are good. I'd like to see some research that supports that. You claim it will make things better. I'd like to know how. |
Anonymous
+1000 |