Starbucks to require purchases to hang out in stores

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was a way to do this for libraries too. The homeless have taken them over.

Libraries are a public good that ”belong” to everyone (unlike private companies).

Are you seriously suggesting homeless people shouldn’t be allowed to read or apply for a job or other service from the library? That’s really your opinion?

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Anonymous wrote:The Starbucks policy is really designed for homeless people and we have to be realistic, it's become a problem. I stopped going to the library a long time ago because homeless people were constantly making them uncomfortable places. Why libraries should become refuges for the homeless is beyond me. Typical urban progressive mindset, I suppose. One can't fault Starbucks for tackling this problem.

Libraries are some of the last indoor public spaces where they are allowed. That's all. It's not an urban progressive mindset. It's that there is no legal reason to discriminate against members of the public who are non-disruptive. My library has problems with the building exterior but not interior.

DC has plenty of day services for the homeless: https://dhs.dc.gov/page/day-services-centers

I think it’s entirely reasonable for a library to preserve what it actually is - a place to access media - and not turn into a homeless shelter.

A homeless person sitting there reading is no different than you sitting there reading. They have every right to be there.

If they bring bedbugs and make people ill from the stink, they are indeed very different from me.

So don't go. I'd much rather see them there than you.

— says a library fat cat paid six-figures to sit on her ass in an office, blow money on paid conferences (read vacations), and retire with a pension

You are calling LIBRARIANS fat cats!!!! Ha ha! Public librarians? Who often make 40k a year with a grad degree. I sense some sexism.here, wanting female librarians to be at beck and call of these men who choose to shun society--but they are still men after all and need to be catered to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was a way to do this for libraries too. The homeless have taken them over.

Libraries are a public good that ”belong” to everyone (unlike private companies).

Are you seriously suggesting homeless people shouldn’t be allowed to read or apply for a job or other service from the library? That’s really your opinion?

What wasn't clear in her post?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I used to like going into Starbucks to take a piss.
But not with homeless living in the restrooms.
Happy to pay $10 to take a piss in a clean place. I will give the uneaten Starbucks crap to some street person.

Exactly. The homeless aren't simply using the restrooms. They set up camp in them for the day. Just like they do at Union Station. Have you been there lately? Fking hell trying to find a bathroom that doesn't have every stall occupied by a homeless person living in it. It's gotten so bad that my DC office now allows us to fly to our Boston and NYC offices instead of having to take the train because Union Station is so terrible and frankly, dangerous after dark for females.

Why can't some of the thousands of empty corporate offices be flipped to spaces where homeless can congregate during the day?

I also fly for work for the same reason.

[Anonymous]

I think its fair and also to limit the tables to an hour.

Public libraries are different.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait, so you should be able to sit and "work" there for hours but no one else should?

I personally think 20-30 min limit for everyone at a coffee shop is very reasonable.

I'm buying stuff. If they want to enforce 20-30 minutes for paying customers, fine, but would result in lost business not only from people who work from these spots, but also (for example) friends wanting to meet up for coffee. Most of those meetups would be more like an hour, not 20 minutes.

How much are you buying when you're working? I see time limits in some restaurants where we've spent over $100. They don't let us park at a table all day because they need turnover to make money. What's more, when I do meet a friend at Starbucks for coffee, I've got glares from the laptop folk who want quiet so they can work.

I hate this more than anything. The attitude that the space IS their office. Just get louder.

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Anonymous wrote:The Starbucks policy is really designed for homeless people and we have to be realistic, it's become a problem. I stopped going to the library a long time ago because homeless people were constantly making them uncomfortable places. Why libraries should become refuges for the homeless is beyond me. Typical urban progressive mindset, I suppose. One can't fault Starbucks for tackling this problem.

Libraries are some of the last indoor public spaces where they are allowed. That's all. It's not an urban progressive mindset. It's that there is no legal reason to discriminate against members of the public who are non-disruptive. My library has problems with the building exterior but not interior.

DC has plenty of day services for the homeless: https://dhs.dc.gov/page/day-services-centers

I think it’s entirely reasonable for a library to preserve what it actually is - a place to access media - and not turn into a homeless shelter.

A homeless person sitting there reading is no different than you sitting there reading. They have every right to be there.

If they bring bedbugs and make people ill from the stink, they are indeed very different from me.

So don't go. I'd much rather see them there than you.

— says a library fat cat paid six-figures to sit on her ass in an office, blow money on paid conferences (read vacations), and retire with a pension

You are calling LIBRARIANS fat cats!!!! Ha ha! Public librarians? Who often make 40k a year with a grad degree. I sense some sexism.here, wanting female librarians to be at beck and call of these men who choose to shun society--but they are still men after all and need to be catered to.

Public library ADMINISTRATORS are paid very well and get pensions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was a way to do this for libraries too. The homeless have taken them over.

Libraries are a public good that ”belong” to everyone (unlike private companies).

Are you seriously suggesting homeless people shouldn’t be allowed to read or apply for a job or other service from the library? That’s really your opinion?

DP. My opinion is that public space including libraries can be regulated, and that includes ensuring they are used for their proper purpose

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was a way to do this for libraries too. The homeless have taken them over.

Libraries are a public good that ”belong” to everyone (unlike private companies).

Are you seriously suggesting homeless people shouldn’t be allowed to read or apply for a job or other service from the library? That’s really your opinion?

Cut the crap, they’re not doing any of those things. Not PP, but yes, I’m suggesting that drug addicted, drunk, mentally ill, sex offenders, ex cons, and people who smell like feces and carry lice and bed bugs should not be allowed in a public library. A library which they don’t pay a dime for, I might add. They are a public nuisance and walking biohazard. Anyone arguing to the contrary is a lunatic lib who just wants to see the world burn.

[Anonymous]

Coffee shops, Panera, McDonald’s, and libraries are not homeless shelters. Get these disgusting creeps out of all of them. They have zero right to be in these places.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was a way to do this for libraries too. The homeless have taken them over.

Libraries are a public good that ”belong” to everyone (unlike private companies).

Are you seriously suggesting homeless people shouldn’t be allowed to read or apply for a job or other service from the library? That’s really your opinion?

Cut the crap, they’re not doing any of those things. Not PP, but yes, I’m suggesting that drug addicted, drunk, mentally ill, sex offenders, ex cons, and people who smell like feces and carry lice and bed bugs should not be allowed in a public library. A library which they don’t pay a dime for, I might add. They are a public nuisance and walking biohazard. Anyone arguing to the contrary is a lunatic lib who just wants to see the world burn.

Perhaps you should get out more and interact with these people. You’re a disgusting person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coffee shops, Panera, McDonald’s, and libraries are not homeless shelters. Get these disgusting creeps out of all of them. They have zero right to be in these places.

They will never be as disgusting as you.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was a way to do this for libraries too. The homeless have taken them over.

Libraries are a public good that ”belong” to everyone (unlike private companies).

Are you seriously suggesting homeless people shouldn’t be allowed to read or apply for a job or other service from the library? That’s really your opinion?

Cut the crap, they’re not doing any of those things. Not PP, but yes, I’m suggesting that drug addicted, drunk, mentally ill, sex offenders, ex cons, and people who smell like feces and carry lice and bed bugs should not be allowed in a public library. A library which they don’t pay a dime for, I might add. They are a public nuisance and walking biohazard. Anyone arguing to the contrary is a lunatic lib who just wants to see the world burn.

Perhaps you should get out more and interact with these people. You’re a disgusting person.

Not all homeless people are the same as not all people are the same. To say that you can "interact with these people" is ridiculous- some are crazy, violent and dangerous. In grad school, my friend and I were attacked by a homeless man while waiting to cross the street. In DC my kids and are were verbally attacked by a homeless beggar outside of metro station who then threw a cup of urine at me and hurled racial attacks. My kids were 3, 5 and 8 and they were so scared. Luckily a man stepped in to help us. No, I don't want to see these violent people in the library. But you are free to invite "these people" into your home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I wish there was a way to do this for libraries too. The homeless have taken them over.

Libraries are a public good that ”belong” to everyone (unlike private companies).

Are you seriously suggesting homeless people shouldn’t be allowed to read or apply for a job or other service from the library? That’s really your opinion?

Cut the crap, they’re not doing any of those things. Not PP, but yes, I’m suggesting that drug addicted, drunk, mentally ill, sex offenders, ex cons, and people who smell like feces and carry lice and bed bugs should not be allowed in a public library. A library which they don’t pay a dime for, I might add. They are a public nuisance and walking biohazard. Anyone arguing to the contrary is a lunatic lib who just wants to see the world burn.

Perhaps you should get out more and interact with these people. You’re a disgusting person.

Not all homeless people are the same as not all people are the same. To say that you can "interact with these people" is ridiculous- some are crazy, violent and dangerous. In grad school, my friend and I were attacked by a homeless man while waiting to cross the street. In DC my kids and are were verbally attacked by a homeless beggar outside of metro station who then threw a cup of urine at me and hurled racial attacks. My kids were 3, 5 and 8 and they were so scared. Luckily a man stepped in to help us. No, I don't want to see these violent people in the library. But you are free to invite "these people" into your home.

PP is a phony virtue signaler. Probably some 501c3 scammer making money off a homeless wrap around racket.

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Anonymous wrote:I used to like going into Starbucks to take a piss.
But not with homeless living in the restrooms.
Happy to pay $10 to take a piss in a clean place. I will give the uneaten Starbucks crap to some street person.

Exactly. The homeless aren't simply using the restrooms. They set up camp in them for the day. Just like they do at Union Station. Have you been there lately? Fking hell trying to find a bathroom that doesn't have every stall occupied by a homeless person living in it. It's gotten so bad that my DC office now allows us to fly to our Boston and NYC offices instead of having to take the train because Union Station is so terrible and frankly, dangerous after dark for females.

Why can't some of the thousands of empty corporate offices be flipped to spaces where homeless can congregate during the day?

I also fly for work for the same reason.

Businesses fled union station for safety reasons. Anyone remember the heyday of Union Station when there were shops and restaurants like B Smith's