Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Anonymous wrote:Rosemary Hills illustrates the naive cruelty of option 3. Rosemary Hills already goes to a “good” school in BCC, but option 3 sends them 10 minutes further to Whitman. To what end?

If the answer is “to raise the FARMS rate at Whitman,” that’s sort of missing the forrest for the trees.

They should necessarily raise farms and remove it from other schools as those schools loose extra funding.

They should do this by punishing the very kids this should purportedly help?

They aren’t helping kids by bussing them across town. Instead strengthen their schools. Give our kids the same opportunities as yours.

Yes, those specific kids already go to BCC and get the desired same opportunities. Why send them 10 minutes farther? Who is that helping?

And the rest of the student population? If DCUM is leaning heavily into "no bussing" and "it's unjust to subject higher-poverty populations to long bus rides" then DCUM needs to get behind making enormously differential funding per stident available so that those same opportunities are offered to all. Only 3 at Northwood interested in AP Econ? A teacher for that would need to be funded if one is funded for the 25 interested at WJ -- as we know, virtual and MC don't provide a similar enough experience.

And that might mean even higher class sizes at Whitman.

And/or higher taxes.

Or the populations can be evened out, but that generally means...bussing.

Pick your poison.

You’re creating a false choice by speaking for the people you’re purportedly trying to help and also making a weird hierarchy of their needs.

In my personal hierarchy (yours may vary), having a safe local school that isp a part of my community is priority #1. Access to AP Econ is maybe priority #250?

To this day, I get a warm feeling whenever I drive by my high school. Do I remember AP Econ? Nope, I remember endless afternoons with my friends on the outdoor basketball court. Afternoons that wouldn’t have been possible if I had to take the bus 45 minutes away.

Do those Northwood kids value AP Econ enough to ride the bus everyday from Wheaton to Whitman and give up those long afternoons? Maybe! But maybe not? I don’t know and neither do you.

If they do, then by all means, let’s pay for it.

That’s why the county sent out this survey.

Do you understand you cannot simply switch schools for a class? And, if you can, please let us know how. We asked and were refused. Mine would gladly ride the bus or we'd drive them. Or, better, how about offering those classes in these kids schools so all kids have equal access.

We have all kinds of middle school students taking HS classes first period then getting bused to the middle school. You can indeed offer a class for one period.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really sick of all this back and forth and speculating. In the end you will be told what to do and what the final decision is. You will really have no say so sit back and relax. I am happy I did not overspend for a house in the WK cluster now. All school will now be the same and equitable.

If the lesson you’re teaching kids is to sit back and let life happen to you, they’ll be disappointed no matter where they go.

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Anonymous wrote:Rosemary Hills illustrates the naive cruelty of option 3. Rosemary Hills already goes to a “good” school in BCC, but option 3 sends them 10 minutes further to Whitman. To what end?

If the answer is “to raise the FARMS rate at Whitman,” that’s sort of missing the forrest for the trees.

They should necessarily raise farms and remove it from other schools as those schools loose extra funding.

They should do this by punishing the very kids this should purportedly help?

They aren’t helping kids by bussing them across town. Instead strengthen their schools. Give our kids the same opportunities as yours.

Yes, those specific kids already go to BCC and get the desired same opportunities. Why send them 10 minutes farther? Who is that helping?

And the rest of the student population? If DCUM is leaning heavily into "no bussing" and "it's unjust to subject higher-poverty populations to long bus rides" then DCUM needs to get behind making enormously differential funding per stident available so that those same opportunities are offered to all. Only 3 at Northwood interested in AP Econ? A teacher for that would need to be funded if one is funded for the 25 interested at WJ -- as we know, virtual and MC don't provide a similar enough experience.

And that might mean even higher class sizes at Whitman.

And/or higher taxes.

Or the populations can be evened out, but that generally means...bussing.

Pick your poison.

You’re creating a false choice by speaking for the people you’re purportedly trying to help and also making a weird hierarchy of their needs.

In my personal hierarchy (yours may vary), having a safe local school that isp a part of my community is priority #1. Access to AP Econ is maybe priority #250?

To this day, I get a warm feeling whenever I drive by my high school. Do I remember AP Econ? Nope, I remember endless afternoons with my friends on the outdoor basketball court. Afternoons that wouldn’t have been possible if I had to take the bus 45 minutes away.

Do those Northwood kids value AP Econ enough to ride the bus everyday from Wheaton to Whitman and give up those long afternoons? Maybe! But maybe not? I don’t know and neither do you.

If they do, then by all means, let’s pay for it.

That’s why the county sent out this survey.

Do you understand you cannot simply switch schools for a class? And, if you can, please let us know how. We asked and were refused. Mine would gladly ride the bus or we'd drive them. Or, better, how about offering those classes in these kids schools so all kids have equal access.

Yes, I do understand. My point is I personally would not want to switch schools for a class and I doubt many kids do either. I respect and support if your opinion is different.

2 questions:
1. Isn’t that the point of the DCC?
2. What’s your school and what class aren’t you getting?

Not that poster, so nothing on 2, but

1. That only works if there isn't overcrowding at the two schools with more robust options, Wheaton & Blair. So it doesn't work.

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All students who want access to APs should have that access. That should be a priority. I bet we can all agree on that.

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Anonymous wrote:Rosemary Hills illustrates the naive cruelty of option 3. Rosemary Hills already goes to a “good” school in BCC, but option 3 sends them 10 minutes further to Whitman. To what end?

If the answer is “to raise the FARMS rate at Whitman,” that’s sort of missing the forrest for the trees.

They should necessarily raise farms and remove it from other schools as those schools loose extra funding.

They should do this by punishing the very kids this should purportedly help?

They aren’t helping kids by bussing them across town. Instead strengthen their schools. Give our kids the same opportunities as yours.

Yes, those specific kids already go to BCC and get the desired same opportunities. Why send them 10 minutes farther? Who is that helping?

And the rest of the student population? If DCUM is leaning heavily into "no bussing" and "it's unjust to subject higher-poverty populations to long bus rides" then DCUM needs to get behind making enormously differential funding per stident available so that those same opportunities are offered to all. Only 3 at Northwood interested in AP Econ? A teacher for that would need to be funded if one is funded for the 25 interested at WJ -- as we know, virtual and MC don't provide a similar enough experience.

And that might mean even higher class sizes at Whitman.

And/or higher taxes.

Or the populations can be evened out, but that generally means...bussing.

Pick your poison.

You’re creating a false choice by speaking for the people you’re purportedly trying to help and also making a weird hierarchy of their needs.

In my personal hierarchy (yours may vary), having a safe local school that isp a part of my community is priority #1. Access to AP Econ is maybe priority #250?

To this day, I get a warm feeling whenever I drive by my high school. Do I remember AP Econ? Nope, I remember endless afternoons with my friends on the outdoor basketball court. Afternoons that wouldn’t have been possible if I had to take the bus 45 minutes away.

Do those Northwood kids value AP Econ enough to ride the bus everyday from Wheaton to Whitman and give up those long afternoons? Maybe! But maybe not? I don’t know and neither do you.

If they do, then by all means, let’s pay for it.

That’s why the county sent out this survey.

Do you understand you cannot simply switch schools for a class? And, if you can, please let us know how. We asked and were refused. Mine would gladly ride the bus or we'd drive them. Or, better, how about offering those classes in these kids schools so all kids have equal access.

Yes, I do understand. My point is I personally would not want to switch schools for a class and I doubt many kids do either. I respect and support if your opinion is different.

2 questions:
1. Isn’t that the point of the DCC?
2. What’s your school and what class aren’t you getting?

Not that poster, so nothing on 2, but

1. That only works if there isn't overcrowding at the two schools with more robust options, Wheaton & Blair. So it doesn't work.

It’s all the crap schools clumped together for the impression of choice so values don’t tank in specific zones. Sally can rest at east that the discount on the modest rambler they buy won’t impact their kids because they can opt out of Kennedy and so on. They don’t really want the whole county shuffling around. Notice how not one really desirable school is in a consortium, tells you all you really need to know.

The carrot programs are then sprinkled into schools that need help perception and demographics wise. Blair is proof that reverse bussing works, it was the first school to slip in the county and had a horrible reputation. Now it’s best bad high school school in county.

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For the people complaining about bussing, would you be okay if your kid was bused to let’s say Churchill? Someone then I think bussing would be okay..

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Anonymous wrote:Rosemary Hills illustrates the naive cruelty of option 3. Rosemary Hills already goes to a “good” school in BCC, but option 3 sends them 10 minutes further to Whitman. To what end?

If the answer is “to raise the FARMS rate at Whitman,” that’s sort of missing the forrest for the trees.

They should necessarily raise farms and remove it from other schools as those schools loose extra funding.

They should do this by punishing the very kids this should purportedly help?

They aren’t helping kids by bussing them across town. Instead strengthen their schools. Give our kids the same opportunities as yours.

Yes, those specific kids already go to BCC and get the desired same opportunities. Why send them 10 minutes farther? Who is that helping?

And the rest of the student population? If DCUM is leaning heavily into "no bussing" and "it's unjust to subject higher-poverty populations to long bus rides" then DCUM needs to get behind making enormously differential funding per stident available so that those same opportunities are offered to all. Only 3 at Northwood interested in AP Econ? A teacher for that would need to be funded if one is funded for the 25 interested at WJ -- as we know, virtual and MC don't provide a similar enough experience.

And that might mean even higher class sizes at Whitman.

And/or higher taxes.

Or the populations can be evened out, but that generally means...bussing.

Pick your poison.

You’re creating a false choice by speaking for the people you’re purportedly trying to help and also making a weird hierarchy of their needs.

In my personal hierarchy (yours may vary), having a safe local school that isp a part of my community is priority #1. Access to AP Econ is maybe priority #250?

To this day, I get a warm feeling whenever I drive by my high school. Do I remember AP Econ? Nope, I remember endless afternoons with my friends on the outdoor basketball court. Afternoons that wouldn’t have been possible if I had to take the bus 45 minutes away.

Do those Northwood kids value AP Econ enough to ride the bus everyday from Wheaton to Whitman and give up those long afternoons? Maybe! But maybe not? I don’t know and neither do you.

If they do, then by all means, let’s pay for it.

That’s why the county sent out this survey.

Do you understand you cannot simply switch schools for a class? And, if you can, please let us know how. We asked and were refused. Mine would gladly ride the bus or we'd drive them. Or, better, how about offering those classes in these kids schools so all kids have equal access.

Yes, I do understand. My point is I personally would not want to switch schools for a class and I doubt many kids do either. I respect and support if your opinion is different.

2 questions:
1. Isn’t that the point of the DCC?
2. What’s your school and what class aren’t you getting?

Not that poster, so nothing on 2, but

1. That only works if there isn't overcrowding at the two schools with more robust options, Wheaton & Blair. So it doesn't work.

It’s all the crap schools clumped together for the impression of choice so values don’t tank in specific zones. Sally can rest at east that the discount on the modest rambler they buy won’t impact their kids because they can opt out of Kennedy and so on. They don’t really want the whole county shuffling around. Notice how not one really desirable school is in a consortium, tells you all you really need to know.

The carrot programs are then sprinkled into schools that need help perception and demographics wise. Blair is proof that reverse bussing works, it was the first school to slip in the county and had a horrible reputation. Now it’s best bad high school school in county.

Can we talk about what makes a school like Blair "bad"? Many graduates are very successful in a variety of fields.

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Has anyone gone to the virtual office hours?

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Anonymous wrote:For the people complaining about bussing, would you be okay if your kid was bused to let’s say Churchill? Someone then I think bussing would be okay..

I don’t want my kid bused to Churchill, no.

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Anonymous wrote:For the people complaining about bussing, would you be okay if your kid was bused to let’s say Churchill? Someone then I think bussing would be okay..

I don’t want my kid bused to Churchill, no.

+1

Way too far.

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Anonymous wrote:Rosemary Hills illustrates the naive cruelty of option 3. Rosemary Hills already goes to a “good” school in BCC, but option 3 sends them 10 minutes further to Whitman. To what end?

If the answer is “to raise the FARMS rate at Whitman,” that’s sort of missing the forrest for the trees.

They should necessarily raise farms and remove it from other schools as those schools loose extra funding.

They should do this by punishing the very kids this should purportedly help?

They aren’t helping kids by bussing them across town. Instead strengthen their schools. Give our kids the same opportunities as yours.

Yes, those specific kids already go to BCC and get the desired same opportunities. Why send them 10 minutes farther? Who is that helping?

And the rest of the student population? If DCUM is leaning heavily into "no bussing" and "it's unjust to subject higher-poverty populations to long bus rides" then DCUM needs to get behind making enormously differential funding per stident available so that those same opportunities are offered to all. Only 3 at Northwood interested in AP Econ? A teacher for that would need to be funded if one is funded for the 25 interested at WJ -- as we know, virtual and MC don't provide a similar enough experience.

And that might mean even higher class sizes at Whitman.

And/or higher taxes.

Or the populations can be evened out, but that generally means...bussing.

Pick your poison.

You’re creating a false choice by speaking for the people you’re purportedly trying to help and also making a weird hierarchy of their needs.

In my personal hierarchy (yours may vary), having a safe local school that isp a part of my community is priority #1. Access to AP Econ is maybe priority #250?

To this day, I get a warm feeling whenever I drive by my high school. Do I remember AP Econ? Nope, I remember endless afternoons with my friends on the outdoor basketball court. Afternoons that wouldn’t have been possible if I had to take the bus 45 minutes away.

Do those Northwood kids value AP Econ enough to ride the bus everyday from Wheaton to Whitman and give up those long afternoons? Maybe! But maybe not? I don’t know and neither do you.

If they do, then by all means, let’s pay for it.

That’s why the county sent out this survey.

Do you understand you cannot simply switch schools for a class? And, if you can, please let us know how. We asked and were refused. Mine would gladly ride the bus or we'd drive them. Or, better, how about offering those classes in these kids schools so all kids have equal access.

Yes, I do understand. My point is I personally would not want to switch schools for a class and I doubt many kids do either. I respect and support if your opinion is different.

2 questions:
1. Isn’t that the point of the DCC?
2. What’s your school and what class aren’t you getting?

Not that poster, so nothing on 2, but

1. That only works if there isn't overcrowding at the two schools with more robust options, Wheaton & Blair. So it doesn't work.

It’s all the crap schools clumped together for the impression of choice so values don’t tank in specific zones. Sally can rest at east that the discount on the modest rambler they buy won’t impact their kids because they can opt out of Kennedy and so on. They don’t really want the whole county shuffling around. Notice how not one really desirable school is in a consortium, tells you all you really need to know.

The carrot programs are then sprinkled into schools that need help perception and demographics wise. Blair is proof that reverse bussing works, it was the first school to slip in the county and had a horrible reputation. Now it’s best bad high school school in county.

Can we talk about what makes a school like Blair "bad"? Many graduates are very successful in a variety of fields.

This is DCUM. Do you really need to ask? You know exactly what they mean.

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Anonymous wrote:For the people complaining about bussing, would you be okay if your kid was bused to let’s say Churchill? Someone then I think bussing would be okay..

In the context of the option 3, no one *actually affected* is pro busing.

Go through all 1300+ messages in this thread and find one person pro busing for *their kid*: Aspen Hill to Woodward, Rosemary Hills to Whitman, Chevy Chase to Blair, Wheaton to BCC. No one is wants it for their kid.

(And I’m most certainly against busing my kids to Churchill)

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Anonymous wrote:For the people complaining about bussing, would you be okay if your kid was bused to let’s say Churchill? Someone then I think bussing would be okay..

No I would not we can walk to our school. Not interested in another one.

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Anonymous wrote:Rosemary Hills illustrates the naive cruelty of option 3. Rosemary Hills already goes to a “good” school in BCC, but option 3 sends them 10 minutes further to Whitman. To what end?

If the answer is “to raise the FARMS rate at Whitman,” that’s sort of missing the forrest for the trees.

They should necessarily raise farms and remove it from other schools as those schools loose extra funding.

They should do this by punishing the very kids this should purportedly help?

They aren’t helping kids by bussing them across town. Instead strengthen their schools. Give our kids the same opportunities as yours.

Yes, those specific kids already go to BCC and get the desired same opportunities. Why send them 10 minutes farther? Who is that helping?

And the rest of the student population? If DCUM is leaning heavily into "no bussing" and "it's unjust to subject higher-poverty populations to long bus rides" then DCUM needs to get behind making enormously differential funding per stident available so that those same opportunities are offered to all. Only 3 at Northwood interested in AP Econ? A teacher for that would need to be funded if one is funded for the 25 interested at WJ -- as we know, virtual and MC don't provide a similar enough experience.

And that might mean even higher class sizes at Whitman.

And/or higher taxes.

Or the populations can be evened out, but that generally means...bussing.

Pick your poison.

You’re creating a false choice by speaking for the people you’re purportedly trying to help and also making a weird hierarchy of their needs.

In my personal hierarchy (yours may vary), having a safe local school that isp a part of my community is priority #1. Access to AP Econ is maybe priority #250?

To this day, I get a warm feeling whenever I drive by my high school. Do I remember AP Econ? Nope, I remember endless afternoons with my friends on the outdoor basketball court. Afternoons that wouldn’t have been possible if I had to take the bus 45 minutes away.

Do those Northwood kids value AP Econ enough to ride the bus everyday from Wheaton to Whitman and give up those long afternoons? Maybe! But maybe not? I don’t know and neither do you.

If they do, then by all means, let’s pay for it.

That’s why the county sent out this survey.

It works for all sorts of needs, not just availability of AP Econ. Would the experience of a student needing accommodation at Whitman be better than that of a student with similar need at Wheaton, or would facility overutilization and relative plethora of high-needs students at the latter degrade that school's ability to provide the accommodation?

Safety first, of course, but does Wheaton provide as safe an environment as Whitman?

The remaining heirarchy? Well, at least one other poster has been noting, possibly repeatedly, the lack of advanced classes that their DC experienced and the brick wall they ran into when asking for access.

The 45-minute commute or no change is the false choice, here, when MCPS might avoid the former yet still provide reasonably equivalent educational experiences with gentler boundary shifts to address utilization while at the same time providing the greater differential funding suggested.

Regional survey responses, just like the "community pull" MCPS cites when explaining the lack of offerings at certain schools, suffers from the bias of differential exposure to and understanding of curricular programming among the communities surveyed.

Indeed, by all means, let's pay for it.

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Have heard the businesses at Pike & Rose have seen more kids hanging around after school since NW moved to Woodward