Bethesda Soccer On Way Down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too much soccer is definitely possible. The problem is that most parents in our area want their kid to be stand out players but they don't understand that the development of their child is a marathon not a sprint. 90 percent of serious soccer parents in our area are sprinting with their kids development with a the more they play the better they will be approach. While that concept is true to a certain extent there is a limit to how much a young body can sustain for a period of time. What they don't realize is that they are setting their kids up for injuries down the road as they get older from overuse at younger ages. Why the current crop of USNT players are injured more often than not. They were the first generation of really intense soccer parents in the country. A player needs to put in the time on their feet to be good there is no question about that. But the time needs to be spent developing SKILLS not necessarily playing games. The games are where you test the skills you've been working on. If you go around to Bethesda games or really any other clubs games in our area there are tons of kids with below average skills but above average desire to win a game. Those two things are in conflict and it manifest itself on the sidelines. This problem is widespread in youth soccer in our country. Once we get away from.the winning culture and start promoting a skill development culture we will.be better off. I can see hundreds of kids on Instagram that can do fancy cone moves but those same players can't control the ball out of the air with pressure. Very different skills and the former is ok to have, the latter is a must have in high level football. Back to the original point...you can definitely over train and play too much soccer and if you do that in this country, chances are your kid won't be that good because more likely than not you're training on the wrong things and clubs like Bethesda bank on your ignorance to sell you things and extract money from your pocket. It's that simple.

Too many generalizations and inexact science and personal opinions here to address
Not to mention lack of causation or correlation conclusions.
Ramblings without substance that can't be verified by facts

Right because you really need that on a mommy and daddy discussion board open to the public. Take what is being said or leave it. If you have info to refute what is being said, present it. If not, you're a troll.

You said 90% of parents with the serious players thinks development is a sprint and they overplay with too many games

Where did you get that data?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Too much soccer is definitely possible. The problem is that most parents in our area want their kid to be stand out players but they don't understand that the development of their child is a marathon not a sprint. 90 percent of serious soccer parents in our area are sprinting with their kids development with a the more they play the better they will be approach. While that concept is true to a certain extent there is a limit to how much a young body can sustain for a period of time. What they don't realize is that they are setting their kids up for injuries down the road as they get older from overuse at younger ages. Why the current crop of USNT players are injured more often than not. They were the first generation of really intense soccer parents in the country. A player needs to put in the time on their feet to be good there is no question about that. But the time needs to be spent developing SKILLS not necessarily playing games. The games are where you test the skills you've been working on. If you go around to Bethesda games or really any other clubs games in our area there are tons of kids with below average skills but above average desire to win a game. Those two things are in conflict and it manifest itself on the sidelines. This problem is widespread in youth soccer in our country. Once we get away from.the winning culture and start promoting a skill development culture we will.be better off. I can see hundreds of kids on Instagram that can do fancy cone moves but those same players can't control the ball out of the air with pressure. Very different skills and the former is ok to have, the latter is a must have in high level football. Back to the original point...you can definitely over train and play too much soccer and if you do that in this country, chances are your kid won't be that good because more likely than not you're training on the wrong things and clubs like Bethesda bank on your ignorance to sell you things and extract money from your pocket. It's that simple.

"Why the current crop of USNT players are injured more often than not"

All soccer players in every country at every level has injuries

Several of the USNT players played youth soccer outside the US

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Too much soccer is definitely possible. The problem is that most parents in our area want their kid to be stand out players but they don't understand that the development of their child is a marathon not a sprint. 90 percent of serious soccer parents in our area are sprinting with their kids development with a the more they play the better they will be approach. While that concept is true to a certain extent there is a limit to how much a young body can sustain for a period of time. What they don't realize is that they are setting their kids up for injuries down the road as they get older from overuse at younger ages. Why the current crop of USNT players are injured more often than not. They were the first generation of really intense soccer parents in the country. A player needs to put in the time on their feet to be good there is no question about that. But the time needs to be spent developing SKILLS not necessarily playing games. The games are where you test the skills you've been working on. If you go around to Bethesda games or really any other clubs games in our area there are tons of kids with below average skills but above average desire to win a game. Those two things are in conflict and it manifest itself on the sidelines. This problem is widespread in youth soccer in our country. Once we get away from.the winning culture and start promoting a skill development culture we will.be better off. I can see hundreds of kids on Instagram that can do fancy cone moves but those same players can't control the ball out of the air with pressure. Very different skills and the former is ok to have, the latter is a must have in high level football. Back to the original point...you can definitely over train and play too much soccer and if you do that in this country, chances are your kid won't be that good because more likely than not you're training on the wrong things and clubs like Bethesda bank on your ignorance to sell you things and extract money from your pocket. It's that simple.

"there is a limit to how much a young body can sustain for a period of time. What they don't realize is that they are setting their kids up for injuries down the road as they get older from overuse at younger ages"

What is the measurable limit?
What ages?
Limit of what exactly?
How is overuse calculated?
Where's the data?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too much soccer is definitely possible. The problem is that most parents in our area want their kid to be stand out players but they don't understand that the development of their child is a marathon not a sprint. 90 percent of serious soccer parents in our area are sprinting with their kids development with a the more they play the better they will be approach. While that concept is true to a certain extent there is a limit to how much a young body can sustain for a period of time. What they don't realize is that they are setting their kids up for injuries down the road as they get older from overuse at younger ages. Why the current crop of USNT players are injured more often than not. They were the first generation of really intense soccer parents in the country. A player needs to put in the time on their feet to be good there is no question about that. But the time needs to be spent developing SKILLS not necessarily playing games. The games are where you test the skills you've been working on. If you go around to Bethesda games or really any other clubs games in our area there are tons of kids with below average skills but above average desire to win a game. Those two things are in conflict and it manifest itself on the sidelines. This problem is widespread in youth soccer in our country. Once we get away from.the winning culture and start promoting a skill development culture we will.be better off. I can see hundreds of kids on Instagram that can do fancy cone moves but those same players can't control the ball out of the air with pressure. Very different skills and the former is ok to have, the latter is a must have in high level football. Back to the original point...you can definitely over train and play too much soccer and if you do that in this country, chances are your kid won't be that good because more likely than not you're training on the wrong things and clubs like Bethesda bank on your ignorance to sell you things and extract money from your pocket. It's that simple.

Too many generalizations and inexact science and personal opinions here to address
Not to mention lack of causation or correlation conclusions.
Ramblings without substance that can't be verified by facts

WTF...this was not a rambling. He/she nailed it. Especially this line: If you go around to Bethesda games or really any other clubs games in our area there are tons of kids with below average skills but above average desire to win a game.

That is our disconnect here in the states. The hard work in soccer does not huff and puff. It is a ball and a wall. One touch, two touch. It is juggling and manipulating the ball with every body part. When nobody is looking.

Please go watch a 11v11. Be objective and watch your child and their touch. Can they take a ball down out of the air? Can they bring it under control? Can they place a pass? All the facts that you need, no data necessary but Trace and Veo have it if you don't believe what your eyes are telling you.

Only thing that I disagree with is that BSC has more kids who can do that in the DMV than any other club in the DMV.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too much soccer is definitely possible. The problem is that most parents in our area want their kid to be stand out players but they don't understand that the development of their child is a marathon not a sprint. 90 percent of serious soccer parents in our area are sprinting with their kids development with a the more they play the better they will be approach. While that concept is true to a certain extent there is a limit to how much a young body can sustain for a period of time. What they don't realize is that they are setting their kids up for injuries down the road as they get older from overuse at younger ages. Why the current crop of USNT players are injured more often than not. They were the first generation of really intense soccer parents in the country. A player needs to put in the time on their feet to be good there is no question about that. But the time needs to be spent developing SKILLS not necessarily playing games. The games are where you test the skills you've been working on. If you go around to Bethesda games or really any other clubs games in our area there are tons of kids with below average skills but above average desire to win a game. Those two things are in conflict and it manifest itself on the sidelines. This problem is widespread in youth soccer in our country. Once we get away from.the winning culture and start promoting a skill development culture we will.be better off. I can see hundreds of kids on Instagram that can do fancy cone moves but those same players can't control the ball out of the air with pressure. Very different skills and the former is ok to have, the latter is a must have in high level football. Back to the original point...you can definitely over train and play too much soccer and if you do that in this country, chances are your kid won't be that good because more likely than not you're training on the wrong things and clubs like Bethesda bank on your ignorance to sell you things and extract money from your pocket. It's that simple.

"there is a limit to how much a young body can sustain for a period of time. What they don't realize is that they are setting their kids up for injuries down the road as they get older from overuse at younger ages"

What is the measurable limit?
What ages?
Limit of what exactly?
How is overuse calculated?
Where's the data?

My data is "how much is my kid sleeping?"

11 hours of sleep means that are really tired. 9-10 hours and they are fresh. Your kid may be different.

In order to have data you have to have controlled testing environments. It could takes years for that data to become available. We do have an 18-year old superstar in Yamal and a 14-year Cavan playing in the MLS, so yes, development is happening at earlier and earlier ages. Nothing wrong with it but it needs to be smart. It is NOT SMART to have 10 year old playing 11v11 in summer heat in Super Y like so many coaches and parents are doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Too much soccer is definitely possible. The problem is that most parents in our area want their kid to be stand out players but they don't understand that the development of their child is a marathon not a sprint. 90 percent of serious soccer parents in our area are sprinting with their kids development with a the more they play the better they will be approach. While that concept is true to a certain extent there is a limit to how much a young body can sustain for a period of time. What they don't realize is that they are setting their kids up for injuries down the road as they get older from overuse at younger ages. Why the current crop of USNT players are injured more often than not. They were the first generation of really intense soccer parents in the country. A player needs to put in the time on their feet to be good there is no question about that. But the time needs to be spent developing SKILLS not necessarily playing games. The games are where you test the skills you've been working on. If you go around to Bethesda games or really any other clubs games in our area there are tons of kids with below average skills but above average desire to win a game. Those two things are in conflict and it manifest itself on the sidelines. This problem is widespread in youth soccer in our country. Once we get away from.the winning culture and start promoting a skill development culture we will.be better off. I can see hundreds of kids on Instagram that can do fancy cone moves but those same players can't control the ball out of the air with pressure. Very different skills and the former is ok to have, the latter is a must have in high level football. Back to the original point...you can definitely over train and play too much soccer and if you do that in this country, chances are your kid won't be that good because more likely than not you're training on the wrong things and clubs like Bethesda bank on your ignorance to sell you things and extract money from your pocket. It's that simple.

Too many generalizations and inexact science and personal opinions here to address
Not to mention lack of causation or correlation conclusions.
Ramblings without substance that can't be verified by facts

WTF...this was not a rambling. He/she nailed it. Especially this line: If you go around to Bethesda games or really any other clubs games in our area there are tons of kids with below average skills but above average desire to win a game.

That is our disconnect here in the states. The hard work in soccer does not huff and puff. It is a ball and a wall. One touch, two touch. It is juggling and manipulating the ball with every body part. When nobody is looking.

Please go watch a 11v11. Be objective and watch your child and their touch. Can they take a ball down out of the air? Can they bring it under control? Can they place a pass? All the facts that you need, no data necessary but Trace and Veo have it if you don't believe what your eyes are telling you.

Only thing that I disagree with is that BSC has more kids who can do that in the DMV than any other club in the DMV.

I assume you have moved off the Burnout line of discussion and are talking about something else

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This burnout stuff for these kids is funny made-up stuff

It's easy to push and repeat theories that can't be proven.
If our kids are burning out doing less than others who aren't we must be weak

You havent been around enough. Its real. Many kids just call it quits before college. Some are actually pretty good. No desire to keep up the grind which is really what it takes to be good at soccer. Keep telling yourself its great that a 14 year old should play 60 games a year. Never mind injury risk and burnout, kids probably need more time to train on weaknesses or work in gym on strength vs the pressure of winning another game or another team practice

How many 14 year olds here are doing two-a-days training?
MLS Next U14's and U15's play less than 40 games a year. Who's playing 60?
How many U14's are playing full game minutes?

Kids quit music lessons, art, martial arts, scouts etc etc all the time because they lose interest and find other interests.
It's not burnout.
There are kids quitting sports without even putting in extra time outside team practices and calling it burnout. Hilarious
They spend more time seated looking at screens

This argument stemmed from a team in nj- nj premier..the 2011 team played 60+ games in last year so that is where the 60 came from.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This burnout stuff for these kids is funny made-up stuff

It's easy to push and repeat theories that can't be proven.
If our kids are burning out doing less than others who aren't we must be weak

You havent been around enough. Its real. Many kids just call it quits before college. Some are actually pretty good. No desire to keep up the grind which is really what it takes to be good at soccer. Keep telling yourself its great that a 14 year old should play 60 games a year. Never mind injury risk and burnout, kids probably need more time to train on weaknesses or work in gym on strength vs the pressure of winning another game or another team practice

How many 14 year olds here are doing two-a-days training?
MLS Next U14's and U15's play less than 40 games a year. Who's playing 60?
How many U14's are playing full game minutes?

Kids quit music lessons, art, martial arts, scouts etc etc all the time because they lose interest and find other interests.
It's not burnout.
There are kids quitting sports without even putting in extra time outside team practices and calling it burnout. Hilarious
They spend more time seated looking at screens

This argument stemmed from a team in nj- nj premier..the 2011 team played 60+ games in last year so that is where the 60 came from.

A 2011 team playing 60+ games is obviously and clearly an outlier

[Anonymous]

Here is a study from the American Academy of Pediatrics for you:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/

About 70 % of kids drop out of organized sports by age 13 and the so-called “professionalization of youth sports” can’t be understated as a significant factor why, according to a new report released Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

"The professionalization of youth sports is widely considered responsible for the high volumes of training and the pressure to specialize in a single sport that may lead to overuse injury, overtraining, and burnout in youth athletes,” write Drs. Joel Brenner and Andrew Watson, sports medicine physicians and the authors of the paper released by the AAP entitled "Overuse Injuries, Overtraining, and Burnout in Young Athletes."

“In addition, the pressure to succeed at a young age, as well as the perception that this is the most efficacious route to future athletic success, further leads to high volumes of training and loss of enjoyment in sport, both of which can contribute to widespread burnout and attrition among youth athletes.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is a study from the American Academy of Pediatrics for you:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/

About 70 % of kids drop out of organized sports by age 13 and the so-called “professionalization of youth sports” can’t be understated as a significant factor why, according to a new report released Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

"The professionalization of youth sports is widely considered responsible for the high volumes of training and the pressure to specialize in a single sport that may lead to overuse injury, overtraining, and burnout in youth athletes,” write Drs. Joel Brenner and Andrew Watson, sports medicine physicians and the authors of the paper released by the AAP entitled "Overuse Injuries, Overtraining, and Burnout in Young Athletes."

“In addition, the pressure to succeed at a young age, as well as the perception that this is the most efficacious route to future athletic success, further leads to high volumes of training and loss of enjoyment in sport, both of which can contribute to widespread burnout and attrition among youth athletes.”

Same reason the vast majority in the medical field who entered Med School can't make it as Surgeons

It's not for everyone and the cream alone rises to the top

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a study from the American Academy of Pediatrics for you:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/

About 70 % of kids drop out of organized sports by age 13 and the so-called “professionalization of youth sports” can’t be understated as a significant factor why, according to a new report released Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

"The professionalization of youth sports is widely considered responsible for the high volumes of training and the pressure to specialize in a single sport that may lead to overuse injury, overtraining, and burnout in youth athletes,” write Drs. Joel Brenner and Andrew Watson, sports medicine physicians and the authors of the paper released by the AAP entitled "Overuse Injuries, Overtraining, and Burnout in Young Athletes."

“In addition, the pressure to succeed at a young age, as well as the perception that this is the most efficacious route to future athletic success, further leads to high volumes of training and loss of enjoyment in sport, both of which can contribute to widespread burnout and attrition among youth athletes.”

Same reason the vast majority in the medical field who entered Med School can't make it as Surgeons

It's not for everyone and the cream alone rises to the top

I think that's an unusual take-away, these are young kids, not adults. We want them to enjoy soccer so that they keep playing. 99.9% aren't going pro. I am not going to speculate about your motives here but if your goal is to eliminate the "weak" that seems odd. It's all about the journey and making it a good one. I don't see who benefits from kids quitting because of burnout.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a study from the American Academy of Pediatrics for you:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/

About 70 % of kids drop out of organized sports by age 13 and the so-called “professionalization of youth sports” can’t be understated as a significant factor why, according to a new report released Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

"The professionalization of youth sports is widely considered responsible for the high volumes of training and the pressure to specialize in a single sport that may lead to overuse injury, overtraining, and burnout in youth athletes,” write Drs. Joel Brenner and Andrew Watson, sports medicine physicians and the authors of the paper released by the AAP entitled "Overuse Injuries, Overtraining, and Burnout in Young Athletes."

“In addition, the pressure to succeed at a young age, as well as the perception that this is the most efficacious route to future athletic success, further leads to high volumes of training and loss of enjoyment in sport, both of which can contribute to widespread burnout and attrition among youth athletes.”

Same reason the vast majority in the medical field who entered Med School can't make it as Surgeons

It's not for everyone and the cream alone rises to the top

wife is a surgeon so my daughter is a shoe in for top level soccer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a study from the American Academy of Pediatrics for you:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/

About 70 % of kids drop out of organized sports by age 13 and the so-called “professionalization of youth sports” can’t be understated as a significant factor why, according to a new report released Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

"The professionalization of youth sports is widely considered responsible for the high volumes of training and the pressure to specialize in a single sport that may lead to overuse injury, overtraining, and burnout in youth athletes,” write Drs. Joel Brenner and Andrew Watson, sports medicine physicians and the authors of the paper released by the AAP entitled "Overuse Injuries, Overtraining, and Burnout in Young Athletes."

“In addition, the pressure to succeed at a young age, as well as the perception that this is the most efficacious route to future athletic success, further leads to high volumes of training and loss of enjoyment in sport, both of which can contribute to widespread burnout and attrition among youth athletes.”

Same reason the vast majority in the medical field who entered Med School can't make it as Surgeons

It's not for everyone and the cream alone rises to the top

I think that's an unusual take-away, these are young kids, not adults. We want them to enjoy soccer so that they keep playing. 99.9% aren't going pro. I am not going to speculate about your motives here but if your goal is to eliminate the "weak" that seems odd. It's all about the journey and making it a good one. I don't see who benefits from kids quitting because of burnout.

The point is, don't mistake quitting, giving up and not being able to keep pace in teenage years as burnout

Majority aren't doing enough to burnout.
The best players usually do more than most who so-call burnout

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a study from the American Academy of Pediatrics for you:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/

About 70 % of kids drop out of organized sports by age 13 and the so-called “professionalization of youth sports” can’t be understated as a significant factor why, according to a new report released Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

"The professionalization of youth sports is widely considered responsible for the high volumes of training and the pressure to specialize in a single sport that may lead to overuse injury, overtraining, and burnout in youth athletes,” write Drs. Joel Brenner and Andrew Watson, sports medicine physicians and the authors of the paper released by the AAP entitled "Overuse Injuries, Overtraining, and Burnout in Young Athletes."

“In addition, the pressure to succeed at a young age, as well as the perception that this is the most efficacious route to future athletic success, further leads to high volumes of training and loss of enjoyment in sport, both of which can contribute to widespread burnout and attrition among youth athletes.”

Same reason the vast majority in the medical field who entered Med School can't make it as Surgeons

It's not for everyone and the cream alone rises to the top

I think that's an unusual take-away, these are young kids, not adults. We want them to enjoy soccer so that they keep playing. 99.9% aren't going pro. I am not going to speculate about your motives here but if your goal is to eliminate the "weak" that seems odd. It's all about the journey and making it a good one. I don't see who benefits from kids quitting because of burnout.

The point is, don't mistake quitting, giving up and not being able to keep pace in teenage years as burnout

Majority aren't doing enough to burnout.
The best players usually do more than most who so-call burnout

The best players can handle that because they are uniquely gifted. Your average kid is not and it will cause issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a study from the American Academy of Pediatrics for you:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2024/01/22/70-of-kids-drop-out-of-youth-sports-by-13-new-aap-study-reveals-why/72310189007/

About 70 % of kids drop out of organized sports by age 13 and the so-called “professionalization of youth sports” can’t be understated as a significant factor why, according to a new report released Monday by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

"The professionalization of youth sports is widely considered responsible for the high volumes of training and the pressure to specialize in a single sport that may lead to overuse injury, overtraining, and burnout in youth athletes,” write Drs. Joel Brenner and Andrew Watson, sports medicine physicians and the authors of the paper released by the AAP entitled "Overuse Injuries, Overtraining, and Burnout in Young Athletes."

“In addition, the pressure to succeed at a young age, as well as the perception that this is the most efficacious route to future athletic success, further leads to high volumes of training and loss of enjoyment in sport, both of which can contribute to widespread burnout and attrition among youth athletes.”

Same reason the vast majority in the medical field who entered Med School can't make it as Surgeons

It's not for everyone and the cream alone rises to the top

I think that's an unusual take-away, these are young kids, not adults. We want them to enjoy soccer so that they keep playing. 99.9% aren't going pro. I am not going to speculate about your motives here but if your goal is to eliminate the "weak" that seems odd. It's all about the journey and making it a good one. I don't see who benefits from kids quitting because of burnout.

The point is, don't mistake quitting, giving up and not being able to keep pace in teenage years as burnout

Majority aren't doing enough to burnout.
The best players usually do more than most who so-call burnout

The best players can handle that because they are uniquely gifted. Your average kid is not and it will cause issues.

You have to be gifted to work hard or is it discipline and motivation?