ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait until the email, this is just people causing mayhem. There’s no insider knowledge.

I’m going off of what our coach told us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is arguing that we need less "elite" clubs in the area. It's HOW the merger is unfolding that is causing problems. The fact that the league has created this problem (they added a terrible club just last year in Potomac) and then turn around and force McLean to absorb Brave after their merger experiment is big red flag for clubs. They are bullying the club and telling them how to run their own teams. It sets a bad precedent that they can use our club like pawns. What leader of a club wants to subject their membership to that kind of treatement. Who here expects the Boys program in either club to be dominant given we are surrounded by MLS. Why force the girls to combine and not just the boys? There are so many other ways to do this. The league is recommending a merger but the terms are up to the clubs. The clubs are dropping the ball big time and that's why people are upset. The leadership at MYS decided to leave their entire Boys staff in the dark and think it will work out. The parents in McLean are against losing the most successful coaches they have had to this merger in the most critical time of their kids recruiting years. That is what's happening here. Does anyone remember how BRYC lost Welsh and Jennings when they merged? Is anyone on here saying that worked out best for those players or even the club the last two years. NEW FLASH it didn't. Why should McLean which HAS had success on the boys but had ONE down year lose all it's coaches to a WORSE boys program in this merger. Make it make sense. The boys program had a U19 team go to the National Finals in 2022 and normally send 1-2 teams to playoffs each year. This year is no exception. The 2008 Boys will be playing in San Diego and they want to fire that coach for the Brave coach which sits bottom of the table with no wins. The boys program has done pretty good given how much competition there is in the division. Wake up people. This is all about the declining GIRLs program not the Boys program which is why the girls leaders are in control of the terms. McLean Girls ECNL used to dominate and now they don't. They don't want to develop their way to the top (which is why Danny Butler and all the talented young coaches leave). Nadir can't poach players from SYC anymore because they got smart and went GA. Vienna is the next target and McLean is selling the Boys program as collateral. This is why parents are upset. If McLean were smart they would let ECNL drop the boys program and apply for MLS next with Vienna and BRYC. Clubs can merge Girls ECNL and we all win. F*ck ECNL. The future for Boys is MLS.

If they went to MLSn ECNL would Drop their girls ECNL program.

Which would mean they'd have to go to GA for the girls.

Ridiculous monopolistic rule.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is arguing that we need less "elite" clubs in the area. It's HOW the merger is unfolding that is causing problems. The fact that the league has created this problem (they added a terrible club just last year in Potomac) and then turn around and force McLean to absorb Brave after their merger experiment is big red flag for clubs. They are bullying the club and telling them how to run their own teams. It sets a bad precedent that they can use our club like pawns. What leader of a club wants to subject their membership to that kind of treatement. Who here expects the Boys program in either club to be dominant given we are surrounded by MLS. Why force the girls to combine and not just the boys? There are so many other ways to do this. The league is recommending a merger but the terms are up to the clubs. The clubs are dropping the ball big time and that's why people are upset. The leadership at MYS decided to leave their entire Boys staff in the dark and think it will work out. The parents in McLean are against losing the most successful coaches they have had to this merger in the most critical time of their kids recruiting years. That is what's happening here. Does anyone remember how BRYC lost Welsh and Jennings when they merged? Is anyone on here saying that worked out best for those players or even the club the last two years. NEW FLASH it didn't. Why should McLean which HAS had success on the boys but had ONE down year lose all it's coaches to a WORSE boys program in this merger. Make it make sense. The boys program had a U19 team go to the National Finals in 2022 and normally send 1-2 teams to playoffs each year. This year is no exception. The 2008 Boys will be playing in San Diego and they want to fire that coach for the Brave coach which sits bottom of the table with no wins. The boys program has done pretty good given how much competition there is in the division. Wake up people. This is all about the declining GIRLs program not the Boys program which is why the girls leaders are in control of the terms. McLean Girls ECNL used to dominate and now they don't. They don't want to develop their way to the top (which is why Danny Butler and all the talented young coaches leave). Nadir can't poach players from SYC anymore because they got smart and went GA. Vienna is the next target and McLean is selling the Boys program as collateral. This is why parents are upset. If McLean were smart they would let ECNL drop the boys program and apply for MLS next with Vienna and BRYC. Clubs can merge Girls ECNL and we all win. F*ck ECNL. The future for Boys is MLS.

If they went to MLSn ECNL would Drop their girls ECNL program.

Which would mean they'd have to go to GA for the girls.

Also, why would MLSN want to let them in to that league if its supposed to be an elite league and VAU boys teams haven't performed well?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the solution:
Each ECNL team will be assigned 3 coaches—1 unanimously selected from each of the 3 club voting groups. The coaches rotate with each practice/game. Rock/paper/scissors decides who starts the rotation. Each player will have the benefit of 3 coaching styles, 3 evaluators, 3 styles of play, and 3 college references. The annual cost will have go up just a little to around $7,500 (uniforms, snacks, and travel not included), but well worth it! Problem solved.

Hahahahahaha ...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is arguing that we need less "elite" clubs in the area. It's HOW the merger is unfolding that is causing problems. The fact that the league has created this problem (they added a terrible club just last year in Potomac) and then turn around and force McLean to absorb Brave after their merger experiment is big red flag for clubs. They are bullying the club and telling them how to run their own teams. It sets a bad precedent that they can use our club like pawns. What leader of a club wants to subject their membership to that kind of treatement. Who here expects the Boys program in either club to be dominant given we are surrounded by MLS. Why force the girls to combine and not just the boys? There are so many other ways to do this. The league is recommending a merger but the terms are up to the clubs. The clubs are dropping the ball big time and that's why people are upset. The leadership at MYS decided to leave their entire Boys staff in the dark and think it will work out. The parents in McLean are against losing the most successful coaches they have had to this merger in the most critical time of their kids recruiting years. That is what's happening here. Does anyone remember how BRYC lost Welsh and Jennings when they merged? Is anyone on here saying that worked out best for those players or even the club the last two years. NEW FLASH it didn't. Why should McLean which HAS had success on the boys but had ONE down year lose all it's coaches to a WORSE boys program in this merger. Make it make sense. The boys program had a U19 team go to the National Finals in 2022 and normally send 1-2 teams to playoffs each year. This year is no exception. The 2008 Boys will be playing in San Diego and they want to fire that coach for the Brave coach which sits bottom of the table with no wins. The boys program has done pretty good given how much competition there is in the division. Wake up people. This is all about the declining GIRLs program not the Boys program which is why the girls leaders are in control of the terms. McLean Girls ECNL used to dominate and now they don't. They don't want to develop their way to the top (which is why Danny Butler and all the talented young coaches leave). Nadir can't poach players from SYC anymore because they got smart and went GA. Vienna is the next target and McLean is selling the Boys program as collateral. This is why parents are upset. If McLean were smart they would let ECNL drop the boys program and apply for MLS next with Vienna and BRYC. Clubs can merge Girls ECNL and we all win. F*ck ECNL. The future for Boys is MLS.

If they went to MLSn ECNL would Drop their girls ECNL program.

Which would mean they'd have to go to GA for the girls.

Also, why would MLSN want to let them in to that league if its supposed to be an elite league and VAU boys teams haven't performed well?

+1. This is not a realistic option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok but really — did anyone think we’d get to Thursday 2/29 at 2:30pm and NOT KNOW COACHES?! Its just unbelievable.

Yeah, and no tryout dates when all the other clubs already announced it. Same happened last year, tryouts were super late, and then, one wonders why VA Union is not competitive...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the solution:
Each ECNL team will be assigned 3 coaches—1 unanimously selected from each of the 3 club voting groups. The coaches rotate with each practice/game. Rock/paper/scissors decides who starts the rotation. Each player will have the benefit of 3 coaching styles, 3 evaluators, 3 styles of play, and 3 college references. The annual cost will have go up just a little to around $7,500 (uniforms, snacks, and travel not included), but well worth it! Problem solved.

The Judgment of Solomon. Why do you need the Union coaches to come to agreement? Let them out, this is a Deja Vu - old BRYC Boys TD didn’t want to sign off on BRAVE.

And replace them with the BRAVE boys coaches which have done a bang up job? That makes so much sense. You obviously don't know anything about the McLean Boys coaches. These are the coaches that have rebuilt McLean's reputation after they lost DA. They won the clubs only National Championship and have do so much to transform the boys program. And MYS leadership just wants to throw them out like nothing. It's a masterclass in weak leadership by Louise. From what I was told the the McLean Boys TD would have signed off on the merger if he could keep his best coaches. Which makes all the sense in the world. Why wouldn't the club want that? Instead McLean Girls leaders (Louise, Clyde, Nadir) are offering up the boys program in order to make the Girls stronger. The smoke screen is that it's the boys program's fault - which is patently false. Nobody has even confirmed what the clubs standing were in past years. It's just being assumed looking at their current rankings this year that the boys program has been bad. Except in 2022 they were National Finalist at U19. You don't see the club leadership pushing that narrative do you. This is all politics to cover up what's really happening. The real issue is that SYC is no longer a pipeline for Nadir and Clyde and they CAN'T develop young talent so they need fresh blood. Kevin James isn't an idiot. He knows he is on the hot seat for his sh*t deal with BRYC that has failed. The league was only going to kick out one club and the obvious choice is BRAVE. Plain and simple. Kevin and Nadir got together and made a deal to save their asses and in order to do so they have to fire the most important McLean Boys coaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is arguing that we need less "elite" clubs in the area. It's HOW the merger is unfolding that is causing problems. The fact that the league has created this problem (they added a terrible club just last year in Potomac) and then turn around and force McLean to absorb Brave after their merger experiment is big red flag for clubs. They are bullying the club and telling them how to run their own teams. It sets a bad precedent that they can use our club like pawns. What leader of a club wants to subject their membership to that kind of treatement. Who here expects the Boys program in either club to be dominant given we are surrounded by MLS. Why force the girls to combine and not just the boys? There are so many other ways to do this. The league is recommending a merger but the terms are up to the clubs. The clubs are dropping the ball big time and that's why people are upset. The leadership at MYS decided to leave their entire Boys staff in the dark and think it will work out. The parents in McLean are against losing the most successful coaches they have had to this merger in the most critical time of their kids recruiting years. That is what's happening here. Does anyone remember how BRYC lost Welsh and Jennings when they merged? Is anyone on here saying that worked out best for those players or even the club the last two years. NEW FLASH it didn't. Why should McLean which HAS had success on the boys but had ONE down year lose all it's coaches to a WORSE boys program in this merger. Make it make sense. The boys program had a U19 team go to the National Finals in 2022 and normally send 1-2 teams to playoffs each year. This year is no exception. The 2008 Boys will be playing in San Diego and they want to fire that coach for the Brave coach which sits bottom of the table with no wins. The boys program has done pretty good given how much competition there is in the division. Wake up people. This is all about the declining GIRLs program not the Boys program which is why the girls leaders are in control of the terms. McLean Girls ECNL used to dominate and now they don't. They don't want to develop their way to the top (which is why Danny Butler and all the talented young coaches leave). Nadir can't poach players from SYC anymore because they got smart and went GA. Vienna is the next target and McLean is selling the Boys program as collateral. This is why parents are upset. If McLean were smart they would let ECNL drop the boys program and apply for MLS next with Vienna and BRYC. Clubs can merge Girls ECNL and we all win. F*ck ECNL. The future for Boys is MLS.

If they went to MLSn ECNL would Drop their girls ECNL program.

Which would mean they'd have to go to GA for the girls.

Ridiculous monopolistic rule.

Yes it is. It's one of the big reasons ECNL is starting to piss people off.

It's also illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying_(commerce)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coaching slate coming out …. Confirmed

Yeah someone said this yesterday too.

MV - 2008 + 2010

CONFIRMED

Double confirmed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the solution:
Each ECNL team will be assigned 3 coaches—1 unanimously selected from each of the 3 club voting groups. The coaches rotate with each practice/game. Rock/paper/scissors decides who starts the rotation. Each player will have the benefit of 3 coaching styles, 3 evaluators, 3 styles of play, and 3 college references. The annual cost will have go up just a little to around $7,500 (uniforms, snacks, and travel not included), but well worth it! Problem solved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is arguing that we need less "elite" clubs in the area. It's HOW the merger is unfolding that is causing problems. The fact that the league has created this problem (they added a terrible club just last year in Potomac) and then turn around and force McLean to absorb Brave after their merger experiment is big red flag for clubs. They are bullying the club and telling them how to run their own teams. It sets a bad precedent that they can use our club like pawns. What leader of a club wants to subject their membership to that kind of treatement. Who here expects the Boys program in either club to be dominant given we are surrounded by MLS. Why force the girls to combine and not just the boys? There are so many other ways to do this. The league is recommending a merger but the terms are up to the clubs. The clubs are dropping the ball big time and that's why people are upset. The leadership at MYS decided to leave their entire Boys staff in the dark and think it will work out. The parents in McLean are against losing the most successful coaches they have had to this merger in the most critical time of their kids recruiting years. That is what's happening here. Does anyone remember how BRYC lost Welsh and Jennings when they merged? Is anyone on here saying that worked out best for those players or even the club the last two years. NEW FLASH it didn't. Why should McLean which HAS had success on the boys but had ONE down year lose all it's coaches to a WORSE boys program in this merger. Make it make sense. The boys program had a U19 team go to the National Finals in 2022 and normally send 1-2 teams to playoffs each year. This year is no exception. The 2008 Boys will be playing in San Diego and they want to fire that coach for the Brave coach which sits bottom of the table with no wins. The boys program has done pretty good given how much competition there is in the division. Wake up people. This is all about the declining GIRLs program not the Boys program which is why the girls leaders are in control of the terms. McLean Girls ECNL used to dominate and now they don't. They don't want to develop their way to the top (which is why Danny Butler and all the talented young coaches leave). Nadir can't poach players from SYC anymore because they got smart and went GA. Vienna is the next target and McLean is selling the Boys program as collateral. This is why parents are upset. If McLean were smart they would let ECNL drop the boys program and apply for MLS next with Vienna and BRYC. Clubs can merge Girls ECNL and we all win. F*ck ECNL. The future for Boys is MLS.

If they went to MLSn ECNL would Drop their girls ECNL program.

Which would mean they'd have to go to GA for the girls.

We would be the first to fight back against ECNL holding Boys program hostage. Sounds like a win/win to me. Someone is going to do this eventually. MLS next will win the boys battle. ECNL should accept that and focus on winning against GA. If we are about what's best for both programs this wouldn't even be a discussion. Boys MLS. Girls ECNL. Let clubs do both. You notice MLS does not care if clubs have ECNL girls. It's ECNL that is the problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s the solution:
Each ECNL team will be assigned 3 coaches—1 unanimously selected from each of the 3 club voting groups. The coaches rotate with each practice/game. Rock/paper/scissors decides who starts the rotation. Each player will have the benefit of 3 coaching styles, 3 evaluators, 3 styles of play, and 3 college references. The annual cost will have go up just a little to around $7,500 (uniforms, snacks, and travel not included), but well worth it! Problem solved.

The Judgment of Solomon. Why do you need the Union coaches to come to agreement? Let them out, this is a Deja Vu - old BRYC Boys TD didn’t want to sign off on BRAVE.

And replace them with the BRAVE boys coaches which have done a bang up job? That makes so much sense. You obviously don't know anything about the McLean Boys coaches. These are the coaches that have rebuilt McLean's reputation after they lost DA. They won the clubs only National Championship and have do so much to transform the boys program. And MYS leadership just wants to throw them out like nothing. It's a masterclass in weak leadership by Louise. From what I was told the the McLean Boys TD would have signed off on the merger if he could keep his best coaches. Which makes all the sense in the world. Why wouldn't the club want that? Instead McLean Girls leaders (Louise, Clyde, Nadir) are offering up the boys program in order to make the Girls stronger. The smoke screen is that it's the boys program's fault - which is patently false. Nobody has even confirmed what the clubs standing were in past years. It's just being assumed looking at their current rankings this year that the boys program has been bad. Except in 2022 they were National Finalist at U19. You don't see the club leadership pushing that narrative do you. This is all politics to cover up what's really happening. The real issue is that SYC is no longer a pipeline for Nadir and Clyde and they CAN'T develop young talent so they need fresh blood. Kevin James isn't an idiot. He knows he is on the hot seat for his sh*t deal with BRYC that has failed. The league was only going to kick out one club and the obvious choice is BRAVE. Plain and simple. Kevin and Nadir got together and made a deal to save their asses and in order to do so they have to fire the most important McLean Boys coaches.

Nadir and Clyde built McLean off other club’s players. It caught up with them so they always need a partnership.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is arguing that we need less "elite" clubs in the area. It's HOW the merger is unfolding that is causing problems. The fact that the league has created this problem (they added a terrible club just last year in Potomac) and then turn around and force McLean to absorb Brave after their merger experiment is big red flag for clubs. They are bullying the club and telling them how to run their own teams. It sets a bad precedent that they can use our club like pawns. What leader of a club wants to subject their membership to that kind of treatement. Who here expects the Boys program in either club to be dominant given we are surrounded by MLS. Why force the girls to combine and not just the boys? There are so many other ways to do this. The league is recommending a merger but the terms are up to the clubs. The clubs are dropping the ball big time and that's why people are upset. The leadership at MYS decided to leave their entire Boys staff in the dark and think it will work out. The parents in McLean are against losing the most successful coaches they have had to this merger in the most critical time of their kids recruiting years. That is what's happening here. Does anyone remember how BRYC lost Welsh and Jennings when they merged? Is anyone on here saying that worked out best for those players or even the club the last two years. NEW FLASH it didn't. Why should McLean which HAS had success on the boys but had ONE down year lose all it's coaches to a WORSE boys program in this merger. Make it make sense. The boys program had a U19 team go to the National Finals in 2022 and normally send 1-2 teams to playoffs each year. This year is no exception. The 2008 Boys will be playing in San Diego and they want to fire that coach for the Brave coach which sits bottom of the table with no wins. The boys program has done pretty good given how much competition there is in the division. Wake up people. This is all about the declining GIRLs program not the Boys program which is why the girls leaders are in control of the terms. McLean Girls ECNL used to dominate and now they don't. They don't want to develop their way to the top (which is why Danny Butler and all the talented young coaches leave). Nadir can't poach players from SYC anymore because they got smart and went GA. Vienna is the next target and McLean is selling the Boys program as collateral. This is why parents are upset. If McLean were smart they would let ECNL drop the boys program and apply for MLS next with Vienna and BRYC. Clubs can merge Girls ECNL and we all win. F*ck ECNL. The future for Boys is MLS.

If they went to MLSn ECNL would Drop their girls ECNL program.

Which would mean they'd have to go to GA for the girls.

Ridiculous monopolistic rule.

Yes it is. It's one of the big reasons ECNL is starting to piss people off.

It's also illegal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tying_(commerce)

Where are those successful Lawyers from FX many of them soccer parents?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is arguing that we need less "elite" clubs in the area. It's HOW the merger is unfolding that is causing problems. The fact that the league has created this problem (they added a terrible club just last year in Potomac) and then turn around and force McLean to absorb Brave after their merger experiment is big red flag for clubs. They are bullying the club and telling them how to run their own teams. It sets a bad precedent that they can use our club like pawns. What leader of a club wants to subject their membership to that kind of treatement. Who here expects the Boys program in either club to be dominant given we are surrounded by MLS. Why force the girls to combine and not just the boys? There are so many other ways to do this. The league is recommending a merger but the terms are up to the clubs. The clubs are dropping the ball big time and that's why people are upset. The leadership at MYS decided to leave their entire Boys staff in the dark and think it will work out. The parents in McLean are against losing the most successful coaches they have had to this merger in the most critical time of their kids recruiting years. That is what's happening here. Does anyone remember how BRYC lost Welsh and Jennings when they merged? Is anyone on here saying that worked out best for those players or even the club the last two years. NEW FLASH it didn't. Why should McLean which HAS had success on the boys but had ONE down year lose all it's coaches to a WORSE boys program in this merger. Make it make sense. The boys program had a U19 team go to the National Finals in 2022 and normally send 1-2 teams to playoffs each year. This year is no exception. The 2008 Boys will be playing in San Diego and they want to fire that coach for the Brave coach which sits bottom of the table with no wins. The boys program has done pretty good given how much competition there is in the division. Wake up people. This is all about the declining GIRLs program not the Boys program which is why the girls leaders are in control of the terms. McLean Girls ECNL used to dominate and now they don't. They don't want to develop their way to the top (which is why Danny Butler and all the talented young coaches leave). Nadir can't poach players from SYC anymore because they got smart and went GA. Vienna is the next target and McLean is selling the Boys program as collateral. This is why parents are upset. If McLean were smart they would let ECNL drop the boys program and apply for MLS next with Vienna and BRYC. Clubs can merge Girls ECNL and we all win. F*ck ECNL. The future for Boys is MLS.

If they went to MLSn ECNL would Drop their girls ECNL program.

Which would mean they'd have to go to GA for the girls.

Also, why would MLSN want to let them in to that league if its supposed to be an elite league and VAU boys teams haven't performed well?

+1. This is not a realistic option.

You realize they let in Achilles right? McLean Boys beats those teams all the time. How dumb are you. MLS wants the region. They have offered Herndon, Arlington, and Loudoun MLS Next. They hav a WV MLS team that is terrible. I hear they willl offer VRSC MLS since Loudoun couldn't do it even though they want to. Herndon got blocked with the VDA deal. Arlington and Loudoun can't do it cause of Girls ECNL.

[Anonymous]

If Brave is one of the lowest ranked teams in ECNL (boys and girls)- how does this help McLean improve their record/performance in ECNL? It is often stated that the Brave players are not caliber of other ECNL players so what is the benefit?