Someone has started sleeping on the sidewalk next to our house

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Anonymous wrote:why is that tent city on asphalt better than an SRO?

You could do some research. SROs were financially unsustainable and unsafe.

Problems Plague City-Backed Hotel : Housing: Drugs, crime are rampant at Downtown hotel renovated under ambitious program, police say.
NOV. 25, 1995 12 AM PT
TIMES STAFF WRITER
After living on the grimy streets of Downtown Los Angeles, Herman Lewis thought that moving into the Hayward Manor hotel at 6th and Spring streets would bring more safety and comfort.

Within days, he realized he was wrong. “You might as well be on the street,” said Lewis, who lived at the Hayward from August, 1994, through May, 1995. “Drugs are everywhere. You don’t even have to go outside of the place. You can get anything you want inside.”

Drug dealing and drug use are only some of the problems facing the Hayward Manor, according to police and the current manager, a court-appointed receivership representative. There’s also prostitution, murder, sexual assault, robbery and other crimes.

These kinds of problems are not unusual for some of the low-cost hotels on the fringe of Skid Row. But unlike the others, the Hayward is part of a $110-million citywide project hailed as the most ambitious affordable housing effort in Los Angeles history by outgoing Mayor Tom Bradley in 1993. At a cost of $25 million, the Hayward was the most expensive of the 15 affordable housing projects unveiled that day.

Now, two years later, the 525-unit single resident occupancy hotel is in danger of defaulting on a $13.4-million city-authorized revenue bond, according to the credit rating agency Standard & Poor’s. And taxpayers may never be repaid for a $10-million city loan made in 1992 for acquisition and rehabilitation of the beleaguered hotel, city officials acknowledge.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-25-me-6994-story.html

tents on asphalt are better?

I see you want to establish a strawman for some bs argument. Look buddy, your problem is that you presume that you are the first person that thought of something. The outcome was that the city lit money on fire while the homeless felt more safe on the street.

From what I understand, the people that think every issue is about land use and zoning are now think that SROs are the solution for homelessness. It quite smug, arrogant and directly contradicts a lot of other stuff they promote, but who needs to be consistent, right? It is just an incredible mindset to think that zoning is the cause and the solution. Total broken brain stuff to think that social ills are effectively an early 2010s "one neat trick" listicle, but about zoning. But also, quite arrogant to not actually consider why there are no SROs.

I’m not sure why you’re throwing so much blame around here? There’s no culture wars over SROs. It’s a totally logical question to ask why SROs can’t be one part of an effective solution, when the one here (tents on asphalt) seems more expensive and not any better an environment for the homeless person than an SRO.

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Anonymous wrote:Walked home from dinner..there's human poop in the bus shelter in front of Wilson HS..second pile we've seen this week right in front of Wilson..though I'm guessing there's a lot more in the bushes adjacent.

Are you talking about that area on Fort Dr right in front of the aquatic center and those sketchy woods? That entire area is a cesspool. The homeless started pooping on the benches out front when they realized that those get cleaned. The woods below are simply inaccessible now as they are so full of feces and toilet paper and soiled newspaper. City knows about this but does nothing and it is adjacent to a school. Makes you wonder about Wilson's little organic garden along the sidewalk.

Hmmm, it's the grassy area by Wilson Pool across from the back of Whole Foods. In the past week have seen big piles of human poop (one in a bus stop, one under the bench by the pool entrance). There is a small woods adjacent which appears to have TP littler. Is that the same area? I feel for the homeowners who abut it, as well as the students. How totally sketchy and unhygeinic. i'm puzzled why bus stops, libraries and benches are homeless facilities in our city..I ride the bus but you won't catch me inside a bus stop since I know what happens there (ie it's an outdoor restroom).

There are a few people that now hang out/live in the grass area on Fort Dr behind Chase Bank across Albermarle from the Wawa. They go over to Wilson to defecate.

So the entrance to the public swimming pool and High School is an open air bathroom?

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Anonymous wrote:Walked home from dinner..there's human poop in the bus shelter in front of Wilson HS..second pile we've seen this week right in front of Wilson..though I'm guessing there's a lot more in the bushes adjacent.

Are you talking about that area on Fort Dr right in front of the aquatic center and those sketchy woods? That entire area is a cesspool. The homeless started pooping on the benches out front when they realized that those get cleaned. The woods below are simply inaccessible now as they are so full of feces and toilet paper and soiled newspaper. City knows about this but does nothing and it is adjacent to a school. Makes you wonder about Wilson's little organic garden along the sidewalk.

Hmmm, it's the grassy area by Wilson Pool across from the back of Whole Foods. In the past week have seen big piles of human poop (one in a bus stop, one under the bench by the pool entrance). There is a small woods adjacent which appears to have TP littler. Is that the same area? I feel for the homeowners who abut it, as well as the students. How totally sketchy and unhygeinic. i'm puzzled why bus stops, libraries and benches are homeless facilities in our city..I ride the bus but you won't catch me inside a bus stop since I know what happens there (ie it's an outdoor restroom).

There are a few people that now hang out/live in the grass area on Fort Dr behind Chase Bank across Albermarle from the Wawa. They go over to Wilson to defecate.

I know I sound like a huge rube, but I had no idea about this. And my kids play baseball and tennis at Ft Reno all the time. What can be done about this? Isn't there a Tenley association that can start putting pressure on the city to clean this up?

The poop is probably still there in the bus stop. It's a pile under the bench with one piece of paper atop. Mary Cheh and the ANC would be the people to contact. We called 311 to clean the last pile and played phone pass along to unanswered numbers. IMO too much is thrown on the businesses. Starbucks and Whole Foods were revolving door bathrooms for the homeless pre Covid. That's the city passing the buck.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why is that tent city on asphalt better than an SRO?

You could do some research. SROs were financially unsustainable and unsafe.

Problems Plague City-Backed Hotel : Housing: Drugs, crime are rampant at Downtown hotel renovated under ambitious program, police say.
NOV. 25, 1995 12 AM PT
TIMES STAFF WRITER
After living on the grimy streets of Downtown Los Angeles, Herman Lewis thought that moving into the Hayward Manor hotel at 6th and Spring streets would bring more safety and comfort.

Within days, he realized he was wrong. “You might as well be on the street,” said Lewis, who lived at the Hayward from August, 1994, through May, 1995. “Drugs are everywhere. You don’t even have to go outside of the place. You can get anything you want inside.”

Drug dealing and drug use are only some of the problems facing the Hayward Manor, according to police and the current manager, a court-appointed receivership representative. There’s also prostitution, murder, sexual assault, robbery and other crimes.

These kinds of problems are not unusual for some of the low-cost hotels on the fringe of Skid Row. But unlike the others, the Hayward is part of a $110-million citywide project hailed as the most ambitious affordable housing effort in Los Angeles history by outgoing Mayor Tom Bradley in 1993. At a cost of $25 million, the Hayward was the most expensive of the 15 affordable housing projects unveiled that day.

Now, two years later, the 525-unit single resident occupancy hotel is in danger of defaulting on a $13.4-million city-authorized revenue bond, according to the credit rating agency Standard & Poor’s. And taxpayers may never be repaid for a $10-million city loan made in 1992 for acquisition and rehabilitation of the beleaguered hotel, city officials acknowledge.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-25-me-6994-story.html

tents on asphalt are better?

I see you want to establish a strawman for some bs argument. Look buddy, your problem is that you presume that you are the first person that thought of something. The outcome was that the city lit money on fire while the homeless felt more safe on the street.

From what I understand, the people that think every issue is about land use and zoning are now think that SROs are the solution for homelessness. It quite smug, arrogant and directly contradicts a lot of other stuff they promote, but who needs to be consistent, right? It is just an incredible mindset to think that zoning is the cause and the solution. Total broken brain stuff to think that social ills are effectively an early 2010s "one neat trick" listicle, but about zoning. But also, quite arrogant to not actually consider why there are no SROs.

I’m not sure why you’re throwing so much blame around here? There’s no culture wars over SROs. It’s a totally logical question to ask why SROs can’t be one part of an effective solution, when the one here (tents on asphalt) seems more expensive and not any better an environment for the homeless person than an SRO.

So you just came up with the idea of SROs out of thin air? What neighborhood do you think they should be located it that should be then turned into a "Bowery" or "Skid Row"?

Even minimal research shows why they are terrible on some many fronts and why they were eliminated. Public ones are financially unsustainable and unsafe. Private ones are expensive, unsanitary and unsafe. Both kinds are epicenters of significant social ills that spill out as negative externalities into their neighboring communities, affecting everyone in the area.

No one wants to talk about it, but the only real solution is to bring back sanitoriums and involuntary commitment for the mentally ill, transitional housing with mandatory drug treatment for the addicts, and jail + halfway houses for the criminal sociopaths.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Walked home from dinner..there's human poop in the bus shelter in front of Wilson HS..second pile we've seen this week right in front of Wilson..though I'm guessing there's a lot more in the bushes adjacent.

Are you talking about that area on Fort Dr right in front of the aquatic center and those sketchy woods? That entire area is a cesspool. The homeless started pooping on the benches out front when they realized that those get cleaned. The woods below are simply inaccessible now as they are so full of feces and toilet paper and soiled newspaper. City knows about this but does nothing and it is adjacent to a school. Makes you wonder about Wilson's little organic garden along the sidewalk.

Hmmm, it's the grassy area by Wilson Pool across from the back of Whole Foods. In the past week have seen big piles of human poop (one in a bus stop, one under the bench by the pool entrance). There is a small woods adjacent which appears to have TP littler. Is that the same area? I feel for the homeowners who abut it, as well as the students. How totally sketchy and unhygeinic. i'm puzzled why bus stops, libraries and benches are homeless facilities in our city..I ride the bus but you won't catch me inside a bus stop since I know what happens there (ie it's an outdoor restroom).

There are a few people that now hang out/live in the grass area on Fort Dr behind Chase Bank across Albermarle from the Wawa. They go over to Wilson to defecate.

So the entrance to the public swimming pool and High School is an open air bathroom?

Yuck. And wait until the Hearst Pool amd Metro-style elevator entrance opens several blocks south. That will become another latrine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why is that tent city on asphalt better than an SRO?

You could do some research. SROs were financially unsustainable and unsafe.

Problems Plague City-Backed Hotel : Housing: Drugs, crime are rampant at Downtown hotel renovated under ambitious program, police say.
NOV. 25, 1995 12 AM PT
TIMES STAFF WRITER
After living on the grimy streets of Downtown Los Angeles, Herman Lewis thought that moving into the Hayward Manor hotel at 6th and Spring streets would bring more safety and comfort.

Within days, he realized he was wrong. “You might as well be on the street,” said Lewis, who lived at the Hayward from August, 1994, through May, 1995. “Drugs are everywhere. You don’t even have to go outside of the place. You can get anything you want inside.”

Drug dealing and drug use are only some of the problems facing the Hayward Manor, according to police and the current manager, a court-appointed receivership representative. There’s also prostitution, murder, sexual assault, robbery and other crimes.

These kinds of problems are not unusual for some of the low-cost hotels on the fringe of Skid Row. But unlike the others, the Hayward is part of a $110-million citywide project hailed as the most ambitious affordable housing effort in Los Angeles history by outgoing Mayor Tom Bradley in 1993. At a cost of $25 million, the Hayward was the most expensive of the 15 affordable housing projects unveiled that day.

Now, two years later, the 525-unit single resident occupancy hotel is in danger of defaulting on a $13.4-million city-authorized revenue bond, according to the credit rating agency Standard & Poor’s. And taxpayers may never be repaid for a $10-million city loan made in 1992 for acquisition and rehabilitation of the beleaguered hotel, city officials acknowledge.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-25-me-6994-story.html

tents on asphalt are better?

I see you want to establish a strawman for some bs argument. Look buddy, your problem is that you presume that you are the first person that thought of something. The outcome was that the city lit money on fire while the homeless felt more safe on the street.

From what I understand, the people that think every issue is about land use and zoning are now think that SROs are the solution for homelessness. It quite smug, arrogant and directly contradicts a lot of other stuff they promote, but who needs to be consistent, right? It is just an incredible mindset to think that zoning is the cause and the solution. Total broken brain stuff to think that social ills are effectively an early 2010s "one neat trick" listicle, but about zoning. But also, quite arrogant to not actually consider why there are no SROs.

I’m not sure why you’re throwing so much blame around here? There’s no culture wars over SROs. It’s a totally logical question to ask why SROs can’t be one part of an effective solution, when the one here (tents on asphalt) seems more expensive and not any better an environment for the homeless person than an SRO.

So you just came up with the idea of SROs out of thin air? What neighborhood do you think they should be located it that should be then turned into a "Bowery" or "Skid Row"?

Even minimal research shows why they are terrible on some many fronts and why they were eliminated. Public ones are financially unsustainable and unsafe. Private ones are expensive, unsanitary and unsafe. Both kinds are epicenters of significant social ills that spill out as negative externalities into their neighboring communities, affecting everyone in the area.

No one wants to talk about it, but the only real solution is to bring back sanitoriums and involuntary commitment for the mentally ill, transitional housing with mandatory drug treatment for the addicts, and jail + halfway houses for the criminal sociopaths.

+1. It should be done right and humanely, which will not be cheap. But probably less money that is being wasted on "band-aid" solutions now. Much as the emptying of mental hospitals in the 1970s-1980s was the combined effect of "rights" for the mentally ill and the desire to save money, this solution will require the willingness to spend money AND the willingness to require commitment of one sort or another for people now living on the streets. Allowing troubled people to live on the streets is not humane and is not good for anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why is that tent city on asphalt better than an SRO?

You could do some research. SROs were financially unsustainable and unsafe.

Problems Plague City-Backed Hotel : Housing: Drugs, crime are rampant at Downtown hotel renovated under ambitious program, police say.
NOV. 25, 1995 12 AM PT
TIMES STAFF WRITER
After living on the grimy streets of Downtown Los Angeles, Herman Lewis thought that moving into the Hayward Manor hotel at 6th and Spring streets would bring more safety and comfort.

Within days, he realized he was wrong. “You might as well be on the street,” said Lewis, who lived at the Hayward from August, 1994, through May, 1995. “Drugs are everywhere. You don’t even have to go outside of the place. You can get anything you want inside.”

Drug dealing and drug use are only some of the problems facing the Hayward Manor, according to police and the current manager, a court-appointed receivership representative. There’s also prostitution, murder, sexual assault, robbery and other crimes.

These kinds of problems are not unusual for some of the low-cost hotels on the fringe of Skid Row. But unlike the others, the Hayward is part of a $110-million citywide project hailed as the most ambitious affordable housing effort in Los Angeles history by outgoing Mayor Tom Bradley in 1993. At a cost of $25 million, the Hayward was the most expensive of the 15 affordable housing projects unveiled that day.

Now, two years later, the 525-unit single resident occupancy hotel is in danger of defaulting on a $13.4-million city-authorized revenue bond, according to the credit rating agency Standard & Poor’s. And taxpayers may never be repaid for a $10-million city loan made in 1992 for acquisition and rehabilitation of the beleaguered hotel, city officials acknowledge.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-25-me-6994-story.html

tents on asphalt are better?

I see you want to establish a strawman for some bs argument. Look buddy, your problem is that you presume that you are the first person that thought of something. The outcome was that the city lit money on fire while the homeless felt more safe on the street.

From what I understand, the people that think every issue is about land use and zoning are now think that SROs are the solution for homelessness. It quite smug, arrogant and directly contradicts a lot of other stuff they promote, but who needs to be consistent, right? It is just an incredible mindset to think that zoning is the cause and the solution. Total broken brain stuff to think that social ills are effectively an early 2010s "one neat trick" listicle, but about zoning. But also, quite arrogant to not actually consider why there are no SROs.

I’m not sure why you’re throwing so much blame around here? There’s no culture wars over SROs. It’s a totally logical question to ask why SROs can’t be one part of an effective solution, when the one here (tents on asphalt) seems more expensive and not any better an environment for the homeless person than an SRO.

So you just came up with the idea of SROs out of thin air? What neighborhood do you think they should be located it that should be then turned into a "Bowery" or "Skid Row"?

Even minimal research shows why they are terrible on some many fronts and why they were eliminated. Public ones are financially unsustainable and unsafe. Private ones are expensive, unsanitary and unsafe. Both kinds are epicenters of significant social ills that spill out as negative externalities into their neighboring communities, affecting everyone in the area.

No one wants to talk about it, but the only real solution is to bring back sanitoriums and involuntary commitment for the mentally ill, transitional housing with mandatory drug treatment for the addicts, and jail + halfway houses for the criminal sociopaths.

SROs are just one type of supportive housing characterized by smaller units. But thanks for confirming your real agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why is that tent city on asphalt better than an SRO?

You could do some research. SROs were financially unsustainable and unsafe.

Problems Plague City-Backed Hotel : Housing: Drugs, crime are rampant at Downtown hotel renovated under ambitious program, police say.
NOV. 25, 1995 12 AM PT
TIMES STAFF WRITER
After living on the grimy streets of Downtown Los Angeles, Herman Lewis thought that moving into the Hayward Manor hotel at 6th and Spring streets would bring more safety and comfort.

Within days, he realized he was wrong. “You might as well be on the street,” said Lewis, who lived at the Hayward from August, 1994, through May, 1995. “Drugs are everywhere. You don’t even have to go outside of the place. You can get anything you want inside.”

Drug dealing and drug use are only some of the problems facing the Hayward Manor, according to police and the current manager, a court-appointed receivership representative. There’s also prostitution, murder, sexual assault, robbery and other crimes.

These kinds of problems are not unusual for some of the low-cost hotels on the fringe of Skid Row. But unlike the others, the Hayward is part of a $110-million citywide project hailed as the most ambitious affordable housing effort in Los Angeles history by outgoing Mayor Tom Bradley in 1993. At a cost of $25 million, the Hayward was the most expensive of the 15 affordable housing projects unveiled that day.

Now, two years later, the 525-unit single resident occupancy hotel is in danger of defaulting on a $13.4-million city-authorized revenue bond, according to the credit rating agency Standard & Poor’s. And taxpayers may never be repaid for a $10-million city loan made in 1992 for acquisition and rehabilitation of the beleaguered hotel, city officials acknowledge.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-25-me-6994-story.html

tents on asphalt are better?

I see you want to establish a strawman for some bs argument. Look buddy, your problem is that you presume that you are the first person that thought of something. The outcome was that the city lit money on fire while the homeless felt more safe on the street.

From what I understand, the people that think every issue is about land use and zoning are now think that SROs are the solution for homelessness. It quite smug, arrogant and directly contradicts a lot of other stuff they promote, but who needs to be consistent, right? It is just an incredible mindset to think that zoning is the cause and the solution. Total broken brain stuff to think that social ills are effectively an early 2010s "one neat trick" listicle, but about zoning. But also, quite arrogant to not actually consider why there are no SROs.

I’m not sure why you’re throwing so much blame around here? There’s no culture wars over SROs. It’s a totally logical question to ask why SROs can’t be one part of an effective solution, when the one here (tents on asphalt) seems more expensive and not any better an environment for the homeless person than an SRO.

So you just came up with the idea of SROs out of thin air? What neighborhood do you think they should be located it that should be then turned into a "Bowery" or "Skid Row"?

Even minimal research shows why they are terrible on some many fronts and why they were eliminated. Public ones are financially unsustainable and unsafe. Private ones are expensive, unsanitary and unsafe. Both kinds are epicenters of significant social ills that spill out as negative externalities into their neighboring communities, affecting everyone in the area.

No one wants to talk about it, but the only real solution is to bring back sanitoriums and involuntary commitment for the mentally ill, transitional housing with mandatory drug treatment for the addicts, and jail + halfway houses for the criminal sociopaths.

SROs are just one type of supportive housing characterized by smaller units. But thanks for confirming your real agenda.

LOL. And here we go. The one track pony lying YIMBYs are at it again.

“Supportive housing” and “smaller units” is some real effed up Goebbels-type stuff. It’s gross to be advocating to benefit depraved slum lords who want to profit off the dehumanization of people and the destruction of neighborhoods. That’s your agenda and it’s sick.

A 2013 study of the approximately 3,000 SRO tenants who live in Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside found that two-thirds were previously homeless and had an average of three illnesses each, with 95% facing substance dependence and almost two-thirds doing injection drugs. Nearly half had psychosis or a neurological disorder and 18% were HIV-positive. About 28% of the participants were Indigenous. The death rate of the SRO tenants was five times greater than the general population.

While 30% of the city’s land area and 50% of the city’s population is within 1⁄4 mile of a SRO, the density of neighborhood challenges found in that quarter mile buffer is disproportionately higher with respect to off-sale alcohol outlets, pedestrian injuries, and crime, for which approximately two- thirds of the city totals are concentrated within 1⁄4 mile of SROs.

The last one is a gem for people who claim whose talking points are that “neighbors welcome” and rich areas must “burden share”, yadda, yadda. Wherever you put an SRO will lead to these externalities and people everywhere pay a premium not to live in proximity to this. Just all around effed up and shows that how zoning on the brain is a bad thing, particularly for the people that are intellectually lazy, yet righteously smug.

When it comes to social services, the market will not provide and it has nothing to do with zoning and real estate. People need help and they need to be forced to accept it if they won’t voluntarily. I’d you actually cared about people you’d know.

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Anonymous wrote:Walked home from dinner..there's human poop in the bus shelter in front of Wilson HS..second pile we've seen this week right in front of Wilson..though I'm guessing there's a lot more in the bushes adjacent.

Are you talking about that area on Fort Dr right in front of the aquatic center and those sketchy woods? That entire area is a cesspool. The homeless started pooping on the benches out front when they realized that those get cleaned. The woods below are simply inaccessible now as they are so full of feces and toilet paper and soiled newspaper. City knows about this but does nothing and it is adjacent to a school. Makes you wonder about Wilson's little organic garden along the sidewalk.

Hmmm, it's the grassy area by Wilson Pool across from the back of Whole Foods. In the past week have seen big piles of human poop (one in a bus stop, one under the bench by the pool entrance). There is a small woods adjacent which appears to have TP littler. Is that the same area? I feel for the homeowners who abut it, as well as the students. How totally sketchy and unhygeinic. i'm puzzled why bus stops, libraries and benches are homeless facilities in our city..I ride the bus but you won't catch me inside a bus stop since I know what happens there (ie it's an outdoor restroom).

There are a few people that now hang out/live in the grass area on Fort Dr behind Chase Bank across Albermarle from the Wawa. They go over to Wilson to defecate.

So the entrance to the public swimming pool and High School is an open air bathroom?

Yuck. And wait until the Hearst Pool amd Metro-style elevator entrance opens several blocks south. That will become another latrine.

Why not have free-standing public bathrooms? Everyone can use them. I am a cancer patient. I regularly need to stop in Target or Starbucks on my way home from chemo. There are people with Crohn’s or they have preschoolers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why is that tent city on asphalt better than an SRO?

You could do some research. SROs were financially unsustainable and unsafe.

Problems Plague City-Backed Hotel : Housing: Drugs, crime are rampant at Downtown hotel renovated under ambitious program, police say.
NOV. 25, 1995 12 AM PT
TIMES STAFF WRITER
After living on the grimy streets of Downtown Los Angeles, Herman Lewis thought that moving into the Hayward Manor hotel at 6th and Spring streets would bring more safety and comfort.

Within days, he realized he was wrong. “You might as well be on the street,” said Lewis, who lived at the Hayward from August, 1994, through May, 1995. “Drugs are everywhere. You don’t even have to go outside of the place. You can get anything you want inside.”

Drug dealing and drug use are only some of the problems facing the Hayward Manor, according to police and the current manager, a court-appointed receivership representative. There’s also prostitution, murder, sexual assault, robbery and other crimes.

These kinds of problems are not unusual for some of the low-cost hotels on the fringe of Skid Row. But unlike the others, the Hayward is part of a $110-million citywide project hailed as the most ambitious affordable housing effort in Los Angeles history by outgoing Mayor Tom Bradley in 1993. At a cost of $25 million, the Hayward was the most expensive of the 15 affordable housing projects unveiled that day.

Now, two years later, the 525-unit single resident occupancy hotel is in danger of defaulting on a $13.4-million city-authorized revenue bond, according to the credit rating agency Standard & Poor’s. And taxpayers may never be repaid for a $10-million city loan made in 1992 for acquisition and rehabilitation of the beleaguered hotel, city officials acknowledge.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-25-me-6994-story.html

tents on asphalt are better?

I see you want to establish a strawman for some bs argument. Look buddy, your problem is that you presume that you are the first person that thought of something. The outcome was that the city lit money on fire while the homeless felt more safe on the street.

From what I understand, the people that think every issue is about land use and zoning are now think that SROs are the solution for homelessness. It quite smug, arrogant and directly contradicts a lot of other stuff they promote, but who needs to be consistent, right? It is just an incredible mindset to think that zoning is the cause and the solution. Total broken brain stuff to think that social ills are effectively an early 2010s "one neat trick" listicle, but about zoning. But also, quite arrogant to not actually consider why there are no SROs.

I’m not sure why you’re throwing so much blame around here? There’s no culture wars over SROs. It’s a totally logical question to ask why SROs can’t be one part of an effective solution, when the one here (tents on asphalt) seems more expensive and not any better an environment for the homeless person than an SRO.

So you just came up with the idea of SROs out of thin air? What neighborhood do you think they should be located it that should be then turned into a "Bowery" or "Skid Row"?

Even minimal research shows why they are terrible on some many fronts and why they were eliminated. Public ones are financially unsustainable and unsafe. Private ones are expensive, unsanitary and unsafe. Both kinds are epicenters of significant social ills that spill out as negative externalities into their neighboring communities, affecting everyone in the area.

No one wants to talk about it, but the only real solution is to bring back sanitoriums and involuntary commitment for the mentally ill, transitional housing with mandatory drug treatment for the addicts, and jail + halfway houses for the criminal sociopaths.

+1. It should be done right and humanely, which will not be cheap. But probably less money that is being wasted on "band-aid" solutions now. Much as the emptying of mental hospitals in the 1970s-1980s was the combined effect of "rights" for the mentally ill and the desire to save money, this solution will require the willingness to spend money AND the willingness to require commitment of one sort or another for people now living on the streets. Allowing troubled people to live on the streets is not humane and is not good for anyone.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the “deinstitutionalization” stuff was funded by John Birch Society billionaires.

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Anonymous wrote:Walked home from dinner..there's human poop in the bus shelter in front of Wilson HS..second pile we've seen this week right in front of Wilson..though I'm guessing there's a lot more in the bushes adjacent.

Are you talking about that area on Fort Dr right in front of the aquatic center and those sketchy woods? That entire area is a cesspool. The homeless started pooping on the benches out front when they realized that those get cleaned. The woods below are simply inaccessible now as they are so full of feces and toilet paper and soiled newspaper. City knows about this but does nothing and it is adjacent to a school. Makes you wonder about Wilson's little organic garden along the sidewalk.

Hmmm, it's the grassy area by Wilson Pool across from the back of Whole Foods. In the past week have seen big piles of human poop (one in a bus stop, one under the bench by the pool entrance). There is a small woods adjacent which appears to have TP littler. Is that the same area? I feel for the homeowners who abut it, as well as the students. How totally sketchy and unhygeinic. i'm puzzled why bus stops, libraries and benches are homeless facilities in our city..I ride the bus but you won't catch me inside a bus stop since I know what happens there (ie it's an outdoor restroom).

There are a few people that now hang out/live in the grass area on Fort Dr behind Chase Bank across Albermarle from the Wawa. They go over to Wilson to defecate.

So the entrance to the public swimming pool and High School is an open air bathroom?

Yuck. And wait until the Hearst Pool amd Metro-style elevator entrance opens several blocks south. That will become another latrine.

Why not have free-standing public bathrooms? Everyone can use them. I am a cancer patient. I regularly need to stop in Target or Starbucks on my way home from chemo. There are people with Crohn’s or they have preschoolers.

I do think we should have those but they need frequent cleaning and also security so they don’t become a place for sexual assaults, drug deals, overdoses, etc. security cameras in the sink areas might be sufficient at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Walked home from dinner..there's human poop in the bus shelter in front of Wilson HS..second pile we've seen this week right in front of Wilson..though I'm guessing there's a lot more in the bushes adjacent.

Are you talking about that area on Fort Dr right in front of the aquatic center and those sketchy woods? That entire area is a cesspool. The homeless started pooping on the benches out front when they realized that those get cleaned. The woods below are simply inaccessible now as they are so full of feces and toilet paper and soiled newspaper. City knows about this but does nothing and it is adjacent to a school. Makes you wonder about Wilson's little organic garden along the sidewalk.

Hmmm, it's the grassy area by Wilson Pool across from the back of Whole Foods. In the past week have seen big piles of human poop (one in a bus stop, one under the bench by the pool entrance). There is a small woods adjacent which appears to have TP littler. Is that the same area? I feel for the homeowners who abut it, as well as the students. How totally sketchy and unhygeinic. i'm puzzled why bus stops, libraries and benches are homeless facilities in our city..I ride the bus but you won't catch me inside a bus stop since I know what happens there (ie it's an outdoor restroom).

There are a few people that now hang out/live in the grass area on Fort Dr behind Chase Bank across Albermarle from the Wawa. They go over to Wilson to defecate.

So the entrance to the public swimming pool and High School is an open air bathroom?

Yuck. And wait until the Hearst Pool amd Metro-style elevator entrance opens several blocks south. That will become another latrine.

Why not have free-standing public bathrooms? Everyone can use them. I am a cancer patient. I regularly need to stop in Target or Starbucks on my way home from chemo. There are people with Crohn’s or they have preschoolers.

I do think we should have those but they need frequent cleaning and also security so they don’t become a place for sexual assaults, drug deals, overdoses, etc. security cameras in the sink areas might be sufficient at this point.

They have self-cleaning ones in Paris. Might be something for DC to look into.

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Anonymous wrote:why is that tent city on asphalt better than an SRO?

You could do some research. SROs were financially unsustainable and unsafe.

Problems Plague City-Backed Hotel : Housing: Drugs, crime are rampant at Downtown hotel renovated under ambitious program, police say.
NOV. 25, 1995 12 AM PT
TIMES STAFF WRITER
After living on the grimy streets of Downtown Los Angeles, Herman Lewis thought that moving into the Hayward Manor hotel at 6th and Spring streets would bring more safety and comfort.

Within days, he realized he was wrong. “You might as well be on the street,” said Lewis, who lived at the Hayward from August, 1994, through May, 1995. “Drugs are everywhere. You don’t even have to go outside of the place. You can get anything you want inside.”

Drug dealing and drug use are only some of the problems facing the Hayward Manor, according to police and the current manager, a court-appointed receivership representative. There’s also prostitution, murder, sexual assault, robbery and other crimes.

These kinds of problems are not unusual for some of the low-cost hotels on the fringe of Skid Row. But unlike the others, the Hayward is part of a $110-million citywide project hailed as the most ambitious affordable housing effort in Los Angeles history by outgoing Mayor Tom Bradley in 1993. At a cost of $25 million, the Hayward was the most expensive of the 15 affordable housing projects unveiled that day.

Now, two years later, the 525-unit single resident occupancy hotel is in danger of defaulting on a $13.4-million city-authorized revenue bond, according to the credit rating agency Standard & Poor’s. And taxpayers may never be repaid for a $10-million city loan made in 1992 for acquisition and rehabilitation of the beleaguered hotel, city officials acknowledge.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-25-me-6994-story.html

tents on asphalt are better?

I see you want to establish a strawman for some bs argument. Look buddy, your problem is that you presume that you are the first person that thought of something. The outcome was that the city lit money on fire while the homeless felt more safe on the street.

From what I understand, the people that think every issue is about land use and zoning are now think that SROs are the solution for homelessness. It quite smug, arrogant and directly contradicts a lot of other stuff they promote, but who needs to be consistent, right? It is just an incredible mindset to think that zoning is the cause and the solution. Total broken brain stuff to think that social ills are effectively an early 2010s "one neat trick" listicle, but about zoning. But also, quite arrogant to not actually consider why there are no SROs.

I’m not sure why you’re throwing so much blame around here? There’s no culture wars over SROs. It’s a totally logical question to ask why SROs can’t be one part of an effective solution, when the one here (tents on asphalt) seems more expensive and not any better an environment for the homeless person than an SRO.

So you just came up with the idea of SROs out of thin air? What neighborhood do you think they should be located it that should be then turned into a "Bowery" or "Skid Row"?

Even minimal research shows why they are terrible on some many fronts and why they were eliminated. Public ones are financially unsustainable and unsafe. Private ones are expensive, unsanitary and unsafe. Both kinds are epicenters of significant social ills that spill out as negative externalities into their neighboring communities, affecting everyone in the area.

No one wants to talk about it, but the only real solution is to bring back sanitoriums and involuntary commitment for the mentally ill, transitional housing with mandatory drug treatment for the addicts, and jail + halfway houses for the criminal sociopaths.

SROs are just one type of supportive housing characterized by smaller units. But thanks for confirming your real agenda.

LOL. And here we go. The one track pony lying YIMBYs are at it again.

“Supportive housing” and “smaller units” is some real effed up Goebbels-type stuff. It’s gross to be advocating to benefit depraved slum lords who want to profit off the dehumanization of people and the destruction of neighborhoods. That’s your agenda and it’s sick.

A 2013 study of the approximately 3,000 SRO tenants who live in Vancouver’s Downtown Eastside found that two-thirds were previously homeless and had an average of three illnesses each, with 95% facing substance dependence and almost two-thirds doing injection drugs. Nearly half had psychosis or a neurological disorder and 18% were HIV-positive. About 28% of the participants were Indigenous. The death rate of the SRO tenants was five times greater than the general population.

While 30% of the city’s land area and 50% of the city’s population is within 1⁄4 mile of a SRO, the density of neighborhood challenges found in that quarter mile buffer is disproportionately higher with respect to off-sale alcohol outlets, pedestrian injuries, and crime, for which approximately two- thirds of the city totals are concentrated within 1⁄4 mile of SROs.

The last one is a gem for people who claim whose talking points are that “neighbors welcome” and rich areas must “burden share”, yadda, yadda. Wherever you put an SRO will lead to these externalities and people everywhere pay a premium not to live in proximity to this. Just all around effed up and shows that how zoning on the brain is a bad thing, particularly for the people that are intellectually lazy, yet righteously smug.

When it comes to social services, the market will not provide and it has nothing to do with zoning and real estate. People need help and they need to be forced to accept it if they won’t voluntarily. I’d you actually cared about people you’d know.

um ok … you clearly are waging a battle inside your own mind if you’ve gotten to the point that a phrase like “supportive housing” can set you off like that.

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um ok … you clearly are waging a battle inside your own mind if you’ve gotten to the point that a phrase like “supportive housing” can set you off like that.

You’re a pretty messed up person if you think dehumanizing people instead of helping them should be called “supportive”. You should take a second to reflect on where your mind is.

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um ok … you clearly are waging a battle inside your own mind if you’ve gotten to the point that a phrase like “supportive housing” can set you off like that.

You’re a pretty messed up person if you think dehumanizing people instead of helping them should be called “supportive”. You should take a second to reflect on where your mind is.

zoning zoning ZONING! And density! And streetcars! And bikelanes!

just want to see your head explode.