Am I too strict about playground kid mask rule?

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Anonymous wrote:Tracy Beth Hoeg, whose data CDC relied on to determine safety of schools, says no masks on kids outside. Also says no masks on kids in school once adults are vaccinated. Seems only a few people are willing to admit risk/benefit of intervention needs to be weighed. So many of you think you are following the science...

Except science tells us KIDS can get COVID and they can spread it to adults. Most adults aren't vaccinated.

And that expert herself says that according to her research, kids should wear masks.

The thread is about masks outdoors. In her own words:

“ I have been arguing for a long time for no masks outdoors for kids. Once adults at school and in the community have been vaccinated, masks should come off kids in school unless there is a special health situation and the family would like their child to mask.”

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

The message you send to me is "I'm a cocky asshole who will mansplain science to you"

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Yes. The most anxious and fearful don't get to decide the rules for everyone else.

There's no rational, scientific reason for people to wear masks outdoors. If you want to wear one, fine. But, don't expect the rest of us to kowtow to your personal preferences.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Yes. The most anxious and fearful don't get to decide the rules for everyone else.

There's no rational, scientific reason for people to wear masks outdoors. If you want to wear one, fine. But, don't expect the rest of us to kowtow to your personal preferences.

Yes there is.

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Anonymous wrote:I like how you think an outdoor playground with children is dangerous, but a donut is a healthy choice.

Yep, she’s teaching her kid to resolve problems by eating. Setting poor kid up for a lifetime of obesity. Let the kid run around and get exercise. Mom should follow her kid’s example.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Yes. The most anxious and fearful don't get to decide the rules for everyone else.

There's no rational, scientific reason for people to wear masks outdoors. If you want to wear one, fine. But, don't expect the rest of us to kowtow to your personal preferences.

Well, except that the majority of COVID cases in Maryland last summer came from outdoor gatherings. But nevermind that. You continue unmasked and take your chances. I will loudly tell my child we have to leave because we aren't allowed to be at the playground with unmasked people.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Yes. The most anxious and fearful don't get to decide the rules for everyone else.

There's no rational, scientific reason for people to wear masks outdoors. If you want to wear one, fine. But, don't expect the rest of us to kowtow to your personal preferences.

Well, except that the majority of COVID cases in Maryland last summer came from outdoor gatherings. But nevermind that. You continue unmasked and take your chances. I will loudly tell my child we have to leave because we aren't allowed to be at the playground with unmasked people.

This is simply not true.

And, yes, if me and my kids being unmasked at the playground irrationally scares you, go home.

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Find playgrounds at a rec center with more space and options. If an unmasked family shows up we move to field or tennis court etc.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Yes. The most anxious and fearful don't get to decide the rules for everyone else.

There's no rational, scientific reason for people to wear masks outdoors. If you want to wear one, fine. But, don't expect the rest of us to kowtow to your personal preferences.

Well, except that the majority of COVID cases in Maryland last summer came from outdoor gatherings. But nevermind that. You continue unmasked and take your chances. I will loudly tell my child we have to leave because we aren't allowed to be at the playground with unmasked people.

I, as a person who always wears a mask when accompanying my kids at playgrounds, will silently cheer your departure because I'm too exhausted by the performative one-upsmanship of people like you who make a show of spoiling your kid's day when it occurs to you that you don't control other adults' behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Well, I do assume that people around me are not scientifically literate. People are stupid. I agree it's not justified by the science and I was a late-adopter to wearing a mask outside last year. But I got tired of having to discuss it with people who weren't interested in the science and were just interested in memes and shaming other adults.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Yes. The most anxious and fearful don't get to decide the rules for everyone else.

There's no rational, scientific reason for people to wear masks outdoors. If you want to wear one, fine. But, don't expect the rest of us to kowtow to your personal preferences.

OK but science aside the person you are replying to is saying that he judges people who wear masks outside. People who wear masks outside are not inherently expecting you to wear a mask or "kowtow to your personal preference." I think one of the most annoying things about the mask debate is people who get all up in arms about situations where other people were masks- outside, when alone in their cars, etc. If you want people to leave you alone because you think it is fine to not wear a mask outside then you also have to leave people alone who choose to interpret the science differently and choose to wear one outside.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Well, I do assume that people around me are not scientifically literate. People are stupid. I agree it's not justified by the science and I was a late-adopter to wearing a mask outside last year. But I got tired of having to discuss it with people who weren't interested in the science and were just interested in memes and shaming other adults.

I frequently don't wear a mask outside and no one has ever said anything to me. (I do mask if the sidewalk is very busy or if I'm in a playground and I can't stay 10+ feet away from people.) And I'm definitely not physically intimidating. What did people say to you? I had assumed this was a like, 'people on the internet fantasizing about confronting others' kind of thing, not a real thing people do.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Yes. The most anxious and fearful don't get to decide the rules for everyone else.

There's no rational, scientific reason for people to wear masks outdoors. If you want to wear one, fine. But, don't expect the rest of us to kowtow to your personal preferences.

OK but science aside the person you are replying to is saying that he judges people who wear masks outside. People who wear masks outside are not inherently expecting you to wear a mask or "kowtow to your personal preference." I think one of the most annoying things about the mask debate is people who get all up in arms about situations where other people were masks- outside, when alone in their cars, etc. If you want people to leave you alone because you think it is fine to not wear a mask outside then you also have to leave people alone who choose to interpret the science differently and choose to wear one outside.

I wrote that in response to someone saying they mask in order to send a positive message/encourage people to enjoy shared spaces because it has the opposite effect on me. Of course I leave people alone who choose to wear masks.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Yes. The most anxious and fearful don't get to decide the rules for everyone else.

There's no rational, scientific reason for people to wear masks outdoors. If you want to wear one, fine. But, don't expect the rest of us to kowtow to your personal preferences.

OK but science aside the person you are replying to is saying that he judges people who wear masks outside. People who wear masks outside are not inherently expecting you to wear a mask or "kowtow to your personal preference." I think one of the most annoying things about the mask debate is people who get all up in arms about situations where other people were masks- outside, when alone in their cars, etc. If you want people to leave you alone because you think it is fine to not wear a mask outside then you also have to leave people alone who choose to interpret the science differently and choose to wear one outside.

I wrote that in response to someone saying they mask in order to send a positive message/encourage people to enjoy shared spaces because it has the opposite effect on me. Of course I leave people alone who choose to wear masks.

I was referring to the bolded; looks like maybe you meant to reply to the one before that. The bolded is what annoys me- seriously, just live your life. I sometimes wear a mask in less dense areas because I put it one when venturing into a more crowded area and then keep it on in less crowded areas because I have a hat or headphones on and it is more annoying to take it off rather than keep it on. Or because my face is warmer in the winter with it on. But people like the bolded is majorly putting words/ thoughts/ actions on other people that just aren't there and is not helping with the discourse around masking.

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Anonymous wrote:So many ignorant American people who do not understand a basic biology or the nature of viruses. You cannot get a virus outside in fresh air unless someone literally spits all over your face. That includes flu virus too. Most viruses stay in air for at least 3-4 hours INSIDE. So it is very likely to get sick indoors. Make sure your child washes their hands often especially after touching playground equipment.

And the odds of asymptomatic transmission indoors is .7%. So odds of someone outdoors, positive with no symptoms, spitting in face? Seems very much in line with risks we take every day.

And sometimes it’s just about sending a positive message to our neighbors and doing little things that may encourage them to enjoy our shared spaces as well. It’s just a mask. Please wear one so those of us who are less risk prone can venture outdoors more confidently. It’s not just about you and your “rights”.

The message you send to me when you wear a mask outside in low-density areas is "I'm anxious and either scientifically illiterate, or I assume those around me are." It makes being outside for me a less comfortable and generally creepier experience, not a more positive one. This was one thing when you could reasonably not know this was a nonissue, but we are way past that point.

Well, I do assume that people around me are not scientifically literate. People are stupid. I agree it's not justified by the science and I was a late-adopter to wearing a mask outside last year. But I got tired of having to discuss it with people who weren't interested in the science and were just interested in memes and shaming other adults.

I frequently don't wear a mask outside and no one has ever said anything to me. (I do mask if the sidewalk is very busy or if I'm in a playground and I can't stay 10+ feet away from people.) And I'm definitely not physically intimidating. What did people say to you? I had assumed this was a like, 'people on the internet fantasizing about confronting others' kind of thing, not a real thing people do.

Oh, man, lucky you. I mean that, seriously. I'm the PP you're replying to, and I think I had 5 outdoor encounters of people telling me to mask up last summer before I started doing it religiously. Once I was walking down a sidewalk in my neighborhood and an older woman working in her garden saw me and said, "mask! mask!" making a motion around her mouth with a faux-cheerful voice. Once I was walking my dog and another dog walker called out to me from afar, "we should all be wearing a mask!" And a neighbor, who I know well and is a kind single mom, sort of made a point of steering a conversation about totally different topics to how she's being uber-careful with covid because it's important to try to "do our part to keep each other safe." The way she said it I took as a nudge to me.

And for what it's worth, I am kind of physically intimidating! I'm a 6'3" not-beanpole man.