We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Want to see what a real plan looks like? Here is what Washington County, MD's BOE approved over a month ago:

http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcboe-approves-superintendents-plan-return-person-instruction

It defines clear phases, who goes back in those phases, and the metrics needed to enter that phase.

Indeed the first set of students (pre-K, special needs, ESL) went back 3 weeks ago.

Metrics remained good, so the next stage starts on Monday and K goes back along with some high schoolers in vocational programs:
http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcps-announces-stage-3-start-october-12

See what they've done? Clear metrics, clear communication of how they are doing.

None of this took a lot of money. Just leadership, communication, and planning. Their BOE approved an emergency budget item in July to buy PPE, sanitizers, etc for all schools.

All this despite being one of the lowest-funded school systems in MD (#20/25 in per-student funding).

Sure, they have fewer students than MCPS, but that means they also have fewer employees to implement their plans. Yet, somehow they pulled it off.

Their positivity rate is 2.5%, while MoCo is 2.6%. Their new cases/day per 100k has been sitting in the 7-9 range, just like MoCo.

Two counties in the same state, similar case rate, about an hour drive apart, yet one has had kids back in school for 3 weeks, the other hasn't even published a plan.

The only difference? Leadership.

Now I KNOW you are a troll if you think that’s the only difference between Washington Co and MoCo.

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This is a rational answer. I agree that there are reasons to open and also valid reasons for staying closed. What is not acceptable is not having a plan for some sort of return, even if that isn't until the Spring. Even if it is wishful thinking that metrics will be good enough to open, it would be nice to have some plan.

There is a plan.

It needs to be an agreed upon, with all logistics, including transportation, PPE and other mitigation measures in place, ready to go. Without that, it's not a real plan that can be implemented.

Exactly. Frederick laid out there plan very nicely. Will be voting on it. Other counties have already starting going back. Crickets from MCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Want to see what a real plan looks like? Here is what Washington County, MD's BOE approved over a month ago:

http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcboe-approves-superintendents-plan-return-person-instruction

It defines clear phases, who goes back in those phases, and the metrics needed to enter that phase.

Indeed the first set of students (pre-K, special needs, ESL) went back 3 weeks ago.

Metrics remained good, so the next stage starts on Monday and K goes back along with some high schoolers in vocational programs:
http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcps-announces-stage-3-start-october-12

See what they've done? Clear metrics, clear communication of how they are doing.

None of this took a lot of money. Just leadership, communication, and planning. Their BOE approved an emergency budget item in July to buy PPE, sanitizers, etc for all schools.

All this despite being one of the lowest-funded school systems in MD (#20/25 in per-student funding).

Sure, they have fewer students than MCPS, but that means they also have fewer employees to implement their plans. Yet, somehow they pulled it off.

Their positivity rate is 2.5%, while MoCo is 2.6%. Their new cases/day per 100k has been sitting in the 7-9 range, just like MoCo.

Two counties in the same state, similar case rate, about an hour drive apart, yet one has had kids back in school for 3 weeks, the other hasn't even published a plan.

The only difference? Leadership.

Now I KNOW you are a troll if you think that’s the only difference between Washington Co and MoCo.

How are the buses, schools and classrooms any different?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Want to see what a real plan looks like? Here is what Washington County, MD's BOE approved over a month ago:

http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcboe-approves-superintendents-plan-return-person-instruction

It defines clear phases, who goes back in those phases, and the metrics needed to enter that phase.

Indeed the first set of students (pre-K, special needs, ESL) went back 3 weeks ago.

Metrics remained good, so the next stage starts on Monday and K goes back along with some high schoolers in vocational programs:
http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcps-announces-stage-3-start-october-12

See what they've done? Clear metrics, clear communication of how they are doing.

None of this took a lot of money. Just leadership, communication, and planning. Their BOE approved an emergency budget item in July to buy PPE, sanitizers, etc for all schools.

All this despite being one of the lowest-funded school systems in MD (#20/25 in per-student funding).

Sure, they have fewer students than MCPS, but that means they also have fewer employees to implement their plans. Yet, somehow they pulled it off.

Their positivity rate is 2.5%, while MoCo is 2.6%. Their new cases/day per 100k has been sitting in the 7-9 range, just like MoCo.

Two counties in the same state, similar case rate, about an hour drive apart, yet one has had kids back in school for 3 weeks, the other hasn't even published a plan.

The only difference? Leadership.

But MCPS is so so much bigger- did you think of that? How could they get enough PPE? Where will they find enough teachers? How can they remotely spread out kids in the jam packed overcrowded buildings? Just not feasible. It’s so sad.

MCPS has more upper management, a bloated administration, a massive budget, and their buildings are no more packed than other counties or dictate what ratios are. My friends lives in Northeast, MD and her kids have 30:1 ration in their ES. ALSO, a hybrid puts together a plan for amount of kids per room per teacher.

And for the love of God, PPE should have been purchased MONTHS AND MONTHS ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.

There werent even kids there. It's no different than an outbreak in any office. The affected teachers will be fine.

Yes, it is like any office, but you have no idea whether the teachers will be fine. And, most offices are closed now, for a reason.

Well since like 99.1 % of people who get COVID are fine, it's likely they will be too. Plenty of offices are open, as is retail.

Currently the data are that 15% percent of covid infections are severe so it isn't just dead or fine. A good number of people would be out of work for weeks or months with illness and some percentage of those may have life long limitations because of it.

No chance. Please post the link

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Well since like 99.1 % of people who get COVID are fine, it's likely they will be too. Plenty of offices are open, as is retail.

This may be valid, if you define "fine" as "not dead."

It is valid.

If you define "fine" as "not dead." Which maybe you do. But I don't.

So why don't we close every flu season? I was knocked out last November for almost 2 weeks. And that was WITH the flu vaccine I received 1st week of Oct last year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.

There werent even kids there. It's no different than an outbreak in any office. The affected teachers will be fine.

Yes, it is like any office, but you have no idea whether the teachers will be fine. And, most offices are closed now, for a reason.

Well since like 99.1 % of people who get COVID are fine, it's likely they will be too. Plenty of offices are open, as is retail.

Currently the data are that 15% percent of covid infections are severe so it isn't just dead or fine. A good number of people would be out of work for weeks or months with illness and some percentage of those may have life long limitations because of it.

No chance. Please post the link

PP is a liar. Data says no such thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Want to see what a real plan looks like? Here is what Washington County, MD's BOE approved over a month ago:

http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcboe-approves-superintendents-plan-return-person-instruction

It defines clear phases, who goes back in those phases, and the metrics needed to enter that phase.

Indeed the first set of students (pre-K, special needs, ESL) went back 3 weeks ago.

Metrics remained good, so the next stage starts on Monday and K goes back along with some high schoolers in vocational programs:
http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcps-announces-stage-3-start-october-12

See what they've done? Clear metrics, clear communication of how they are doing.

None of this took a lot of money. Just leadership, communication, and planning. Their BOE approved an emergency budget item in July to buy PPE, sanitizers, etc for all schools.

All this despite being one of the lowest-funded school systems in MD (#20/25 in per-student funding).

Sure, they have fewer students than MCPS, but that means they also have fewer employees to implement their plans. Yet, somehow they pulled it off.

Their positivity rate is 2.5%, while MoCo is 2.6%. Their new cases/day per 100k has been sitting in the 7-9 range, just like MoCo.

Two counties in the same state, similar case rate, about an hour drive apart, yet one has had kids back in school for 3 weeks, the other hasn't even published a plan.

The only difference? Leadership.

But MCPS is so so much bigger- did you think of that? How could they get enough PPE? Where will they find enough teachers? How can they remotely spread out kids in the jam packed overcrowded buildings? Just not feasible. It’s so sad.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. If worse-funded school systems in the same state can pull it off, then surely MCPS can. Those schools are overcrowded also.

Garrett, Allegany, Anne Arundel, Howard, Baltimore, Hartford, Washington counties all either have some kids back already, or will within the next few weeks. MCPS hasn't even published a plan or announced metrics.

[Anonymous]

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Infectious disease expert after infectious disease expert have written pieces on why kids need to be back in school. The only so-called "scientists" arguing for kids to stay home are anonymous dcum posters.

Huh? Infectious disease experts are experts in infectious diseases, not in education or child psychology or even public health.

Precisely. Infectious disease experts are the experts on the dangers from Covid and they recognize that the dangers to children are relatively low. Obviously DL is subpar for the education and psychological well being of children. It is only proper when the dangers from the infectious disease have to outweigh education and psychological well being. If any group would argue in favor of keeping schools closed, it would be the infectious disease experts, not those primarily concerned about children's education or psychological health.

Here's the 6,453,897th post on this forum since June stating that children live in families and communities with people whose risks are higher.

And that's why their rights to a proper education and socialization should be completely disregarded? Even though data keeps mounting that shows that kids and schools are not superspreaders, i.e. not drivers of community spread? And even though the harmful effects of closed schools have been widely documented? We have an ethical decision to make, and most countries have come to the conclusion that kids have rights, too, and schools need to open despite the pandemic.

Here is a new article that looks at the actual evidence:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Infectious disease expert after infectious disease expert have written pieces on why kids need to be back in school. The only so-called "scientists" arguing for kids to stay home are anonymous dcum posters.

Huh? Infectious disease experts are experts in infectious diseases, not in education or child psychology or even public health.

Precisely. Infectious disease experts are the experts on the dangers from Covid and they recognize that the dangers to children are relatively low. Obviously DL is subpar for the education and psychological well being of children. It is only proper when the dangers from the infectious disease have to outweigh education and psychological well being. If any group would argue in favor of keeping schools closed, it would be the infectious disease experts, not those primarily concerned about children's education or psychological health.

Here's the 6,453,897th post on this forum since June stating that children live in families and communities with people whose risks are higher.

And that's why their rights to a proper education and socialization should be completely disregarded? Even though data keeps mounting that shows that kids and schools are not superspreaders, i.e. not drivers of community spread? And even though the harmful effects of closed schools have been widely documented? We have an ethical decision to make, and most countries have come to the conclusion that kids have rights, too, and schools need to open despite the pandemic.

Here is a new article that looks at the actual evidence:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/

Totally agree! A lot of elderly people will die but that's okay because daycare is an American right! MAGA

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Want to see what a real plan looks like? Here is what Washington County, MD's BOE approved over a month ago:

http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcboe-approves-superintendents-plan-return-person-instruction

It defines clear phases, who goes back in those phases, and the metrics needed to enter that phase.

Indeed the first set of students (pre-K, special needs, ESL) went back 3 weeks ago.

Metrics remained good, so the next stage starts on Monday and K goes back along with some high schoolers in vocational programs:
http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcps-announces-stage-3-start-october-12

See what they've done? Clear metrics, clear communication of how they are doing.

None of this took a lot of money. Just leadership, communication, and planning. Their BOE approved an emergency budget item in July to buy PPE, sanitizers, etc for all schools.

All this despite being one of the lowest-funded school systems in MD (#20/25 in per-student funding).

Sure, they have fewer students than MCPS, but that means they also have fewer employees to implement their plans. Yet, somehow they pulled it off.

Their positivity rate is 2.5%, while MoCo is 2.6%. Their new cases/day per 100k has been sitting in the 7-9 range, just like MoCo.

Two counties in the same state, similar case rate, about an hour drive apart, yet one has had kids back in school for 3 weeks, the other hasn't even published a plan.

The only difference? Leadership.

Now I KNOW you are a troll if you think that’s the only difference between Washington Co and MoCo.

Oh come on. Washington County is rural and has 20,000 students. Montgomery County is sprawling and urban and suburban and has 160,000 students. Of course the challenges of reopening are different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Infectious disease expert after infectious disease expert have written pieces on why kids need to be back in school. The only so-called "scientists" arguing for kids to stay home are anonymous dcum posters.

Huh? Infectious disease experts are experts in infectious diseases, not in education or child psychology or even public health.

Precisely. Infectious disease experts are the experts on the dangers from Covid and they recognize that the dangers to children are relatively low. Obviously DL is subpar for the education and psychological well being of children. It is only proper when the dangers from the infectious disease have to outweigh education and psychological well being. If any group would argue in favor of keeping schools closed, it would be the infectious disease experts, not those primarily concerned about children's education or psychological health.

Here's the 6,453,897th post on this forum since June stating that children live in families and communities with people whose risks are higher.

And that's why their rights to a proper education and socialization should be completely disregarded? Even though data keeps mounting that shows that kids and schools are not superspreaders, i.e. not drivers of community spread? And even though the harmful effects of closed schools have been widely documented? We have an ethical decision to make, and most countries have come to the conclusion that kids have rights, too, and schools need to open despite the pandemic.

Here is a new article that looks at the actual evidence:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/

Totally agree! A lot of elderly people will die but that's okay because daycare is an American right! MAGA

You need to educate yourself. Here is another great article by a columnist who is under no suspicion of being a MAGA supporter, who really sums it up that closing schools is a particularly insidious form of coronavirus safety theater:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/08/its-past-time-schools-reopen/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Want to see what a real plan looks like? Here is what Washington County, MD's BOE approved over a month ago:

http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcboe-approves-superintendents-plan-return-person-instruction

It defines clear phases, who goes back in those phases, and the metrics needed to enter that phase.

Indeed the first set of students (pre-K, special needs, ESL) went back 3 weeks ago.

Metrics remained good, so the next stage starts on Monday and K goes back along with some high schoolers in vocational programs:
http://wcpsmd.com/news/wcps-announces-stage-3-start-october-12

See what they've done? Clear metrics, clear communication of how they are doing.

None of this took a lot of money. Just leadership, communication, and planning. Their BOE approved an emergency budget item in July to buy PPE, sanitizers, etc for all schools.

All this despite being one of the lowest-funded school systems in MD (#20/25 in per-student funding).

Sure, they have fewer students than MCPS, but that means they also have fewer employees to implement their plans. Yet, somehow they pulled it off.

Their positivity rate is 2.5%, while MoCo is 2.6%. Their new cases/day per 100k has been sitting in the 7-9 range, just like MoCo.

Two counties in the same state, similar case rate, about an hour drive apart, yet one has had kids back in school for 3 weeks, the other hasn't even published a plan.

The only difference? Leadership.

Now I KNOW you are a troll if you think that’s the only difference between Washington Co and MoCo.

Oh come on. Washington County is rural and has 20,000 students. Montgomery County is sprawling and urban and suburban and has 160,000 students. Of course the challenges of reopening are different.

Why is it so different? As a smaller county, they have a proportionally smaller number of buses to fit students into, staff to develop plans, etc.

MCPS has more money, more staff, more resources, because they are bigger.

In regular times, MCPS is able to offer exactly the same services as smaller school districts, because they have more money, staff and resources. Yet they can't in this case?

[Anonymous]

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You need to educate yourself. Here is another great article by a columnist who is under no suspicion of being a MAGA supporter, who really sums it up that closing schools is a particularly insidious form of coronavirus safety theater:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/08/its-past-time-schools-reopen/

All well and good (and I agree with the article), but it's up to the BOE and they haven't even requested MCPS come up with a reopening plan.

The two incumbents on the ballot are Evans and Smondrowski.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Infectious disease expert after infectious disease expert have written pieces on why kids need to be back in school. The only so-called "scientists" arguing for kids to stay home are anonymous dcum posters.

Huh? Infectious disease experts are experts in infectious diseases, not in education or child psychology or even public health.

Precisely. Infectious disease experts are the experts on the dangers from Covid and they recognize that the dangers to children are relatively low. Obviously DL is subpar for the education and psychological well being of children. It is only proper when the dangers from the infectious disease have to outweigh education and psychological well being. If any group would argue in favor of keeping schools closed, it would be the infectious disease experts, not those primarily concerned about children's education or psychological health.

Here's the 6,453,897th post on this forum since June stating that children live in families and communities with people whose risks are higher.

And that's why their rights to a proper education and socialization should be completely disregarded? Even though data keeps mounting that shows that kids and schools are not superspreaders, i.e. not drivers of community spread? And even though the harmful effects of closed schools have been widely documented? We have an ethical decision to make, and most countries have come to the conclusion that kids have rights, too, and schools need to open despite the pandemic.

Here is a new article that looks at the actual evidence:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/schools-arent-superspreaders/616669/

Totally agree! A lot of elderly people will die but that's okay because daycare is an American right! MAGA

You have absolutely zero evidence that opening schools will cause a lot of elderly people to die. All evidence points to schools NOT causing increased community spread.