ASFS/Key Swap Off . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still don’t understand how we, as one of the most educated counties in the country, can have a school system that makes such a debacle of everything. The whole “Dr. Murphy decided the swap was best” announcement was so out of left field and now they are desperately trying to walk things back with the “pause.” Seriously, we’re suppose to be the best of the best and our school system’s website has an initiative on “pause.” WTH is that?? Just take that silly crap down and state we are doing an immersion or county wide school location review. Seriously, we expect our kids to take responsibility and own up for their mistakes but APS can’t say, oops, we totally botched this and we need a do-over?

At least it looks like we might actually end up with a logical solution now. Better this fumbling mess than to leave the capacity imbalance unresolved, Spanish speakers MIA at immersion, and Carlin Springs still at 80% FARMs.

[Anonymous]

According to the world languages presentation at last night's SB work session, 189 students were denied admission to Claremont/Key in the lottery last year (the first time it was a true 100% lottery). The presentation also said that moving the immersion out of Key into a smaller school would mean even more people would be turned away bc of smaller incoming K classes.

Is the lottery info available anywhere? I'd like to see more info on the applications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to the world languages presentation at last night's SB work session, 189 students were denied admission to Claremont/Key in the lottery last year (the first time it was a true 100% lottery). The presentation also said that moving the immersion out of Key into a smaller school would mean even more people would be turned away bc of smaller incoming K classes.

Is the lottery info available anywhere? I'd like to see more info on the applications.

Here's the lottery data from last year: https://www.apsva.us/school-options/school-transfer-data/

From what I understand, you can enter every lottery if you want, so the same student could theoretically be counted on the waitlists for Immersion, ATS, Montessori and Campbell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to the world languages presentation at last night's SB work session, 189 students were denied admission to Claremont/Key in the lottery last year (the first time it was a true 100% lottery). The presentation also said that moving the immersion out of Key into a smaller school would mean even more people would be turned away bc of smaller incoming K classes.

Is the lottery info available anywhere? I'd like to see more info on the applications.

Here's the lottery data from last year: https://www.apsva.us/school-options/school-transfer-data/

From what I understand, you can enter every lottery if you want, so the same student could theoretically be counted on the waitlists for Immersion, ATS, Montessori and Campbell.

Thank you! I was searching the APS website but couldn't find it.

[Anonymous]

On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

Yep. What they’re not saying out loud when they talk about the high demand for immersion is that it’s really high demand for immersion from non-spanish speakers. There isn’t enough demand for it from spanish-speakers around Key to allow the program to grow without giving up on the 50/50 model entirely, so the best bet for expanding it to accommodate all the non-spanish speaking demand is to move it to a place where it might attract more spanish speakers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

Yep. What they’re not saying out loud when they talk about the high demand for immersion is that it’s really high demand for immersion from non-spanish speakers. There isn’t enough demand for it from spanish-speakers around Key to allow the program to grow without giving up on the 50/50 model entirely, so the best bet for expanding it to accommodate all the non-spanish speaking demand is to move it to a place where it might attract more spanish speakers.

Geography isn’t the only reason there isn’t waitlist for native Spanish speakers. APS doesn’t do nearly enough to promote immersion in every community. It would be interesting to see how many FRL eligible families apply to any of the lotteries. I know there’s a belief that the lottery is a great equalizer, and I’m sure that’s true for the families with the knowledge and resources to apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

Yep. What they’re not saying out loud when they talk about the high demand for immersion is that it’s really high demand for immersion from non-spanish speakers. There isn’t enough demand for it from spanish-speakers around Key to allow the program to grow without giving up on the 50/50 model entirely, so the best bet for expanding it to accommodate all the non-spanish speaking demand is to move it to a place where it might attract more spanish speakers.

Geography isn’t the only reason there isn’t waitlist for native Spanish speakers. APS doesn’t do nearly enough to promote immersion in every community. It would be interesting to see how many FRL eligible families apply to any of the lotteries. I know there’s a belief that the lottery is a great equalizer, and I’m sure that’s true for the families with the knowledge and resources to apply.

They just released a promo video for immersion in English. But they don't need English speakers-- they need Spanish speakers! I hope they did a video in Spanish too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

Yep. What they’re not saying out loud when they talk about the high demand for immersion is that it’s really high demand for immersion from non-spanish speakers. There isn’t enough demand for it from spanish-speakers around Key to allow the program to grow without giving up on the 50/50 model entirely, so the best bet for expanding it to accommodate all the non-spanish speaking demand is to move it to a place where it might attract more spanish speakers.

or do what other parents are recommending and waive the 50/50 model goal and add another program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

Yep. What they’re not saying out loud when they talk about the high demand for immersion is that it’s really high demand for immersion from non-spanish speakers. There isn’t enough demand for it from spanish-speakers around Key to allow the program to grow without giving up on the 50/50 model entirely, so the best bet for expanding it to accommodate all the non-spanish speaking demand is to move it to a place where it might attract more spanish speakers.

or do what other parents are recommending and waive the 50/50 model goal and add another program.

Since the Key Families get everything they want, this wouldn't surprise me. Especially the English speaking ones...don't ever mess with those moms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

Yep. What they’re not saying out loud when they talk about the high demand for immersion is that it’s really high demand for immersion from non-spanish speakers. There isn’t enough demand for it from spanish-speakers around Key to allow the program to grow without giving up on the 50/50 model entirely, so the best bet for expanding it to accommodate all the non-spanish speaking demand is to move it to a place where it might attract more spanish speakers.

or do what other parents are recommending and waive the 50/50 model goal and add another program.

Since the Key Families get everything they want, this wouldn't surprise me. Especially the English speaking ones...don't ever mess with those moms.

They even drag the Spanish speaking moms to SB meetings, and speak for them. Run far and fast from them....they will do anything to win.

Mamas Inglesas!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

Yep. What they’re not saying out loud when they talk about the high demand for immersion is that it’s really high demand for immersion from non-spanish speakers. There isn’t enough demand for it from spanish-speakers around Key to allow the program to grow without giving up on the 50/50 model entirely, so the best bet for expanding it to accommodate all the non-spanish speaking demand is to move it to a place where it might attract more spanish speakers.

Geography isn’t the only reason there isn’t waitlist for native Spanish speakers. APS doesn’t do nearly enough to promote immersion in every community. It would be interesting to see how many FRL eligible families apply to any of the lotteries. I know there’s a belief that the lottery is a great equalizer, and I’m sure that’s true for the families with the knowledge and resources to apply.

Agree, but geography is the big reason. Proximity to native Spanish speakers is critical. The program began at Key over 30 years ago because there were a lot of Spanish speakers in the neighborhood. Back then, the goal was to attract English speakers to the school. Time to move keys immersion program to carlin Springs and reboot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

Yep. What they’re not saying out loud when they talk about the high demand for immersion is that it’s really high demand for immersion from non-spanish speakers. There isn’t enough demand for it from spanish-speakers around Key to allow the program to grow without giving up on the 50/50 model entirely, so the best bet for expanding it to accommodate all the non-spanish speaking demand is to move it to a place where it might attract more spanish speakers.

or do what other parents are recommending and waive the 50/50 model goal and add another program.

Since the Key Families get everything they want, this wouldn't surprise me. Especially the English speaking ones...don't ever mess with those moms.

They even drag the Spanish speaking moms to SB meetings, and speak for them. Run far and fast from them....they will do anything to win.

Mamas Inglesas!!!!!

Spoken like a true ASFS Swapper Mom. Sorry no one supported your play to try and move ASFS to your neighborhood. But not to worry, you'll get your own neighborhood school soon enough-- too bad it won't be ASFS, though. But nice try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

Yep. What they’re not saying out loud when they talk about the high demand for immersion is that it’s really high demand for immersion from non-spanish speakers. There isn’t enough demand for it from spanish-speakers around Key to allow the program to grow without giving up on the 50/50 model entirely, so the best bet for expanding it to accommodate all the non-spanish speaking demand is to move it to a place where it might attract more spanish speakers.

Geography isn’t the only reason there isn’t waitlist for native Spanish speakers. APS doesn’t do nearly enough to promote immersion in every community. It would be interesting to see how many FRL eligible families apply to any of the lotteries. I know there’s a belief that the lottery is a great equalizer, and I’m sure that’s true for the families with the knowledge and resources to apply.

Agree, but geography is the big reason. Proximity to native Spanish speakers is critical. The program began at Key over 30 years ago because there were a lot of Spanish speakers in the neighborhood. Back then, the goal was to attract English speakers to the school. Time to move keys immersion program to carlin Springs and reboot.

No, move it to ATS and Claremont immersion to Carlin Springs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the link from last year, interesting that all Spanish speakers got in - zero waitlist. The waitlist is for non-Spanish speakers.

Yep. What they’re not saying out loud when they talk about the high demand for immersion is that it’s really high demand for immersion from non-spanish speakers. There isn’t enough demand for it from spanish-speakers around Key to allow the program to grow without giving up on the 50/50 model entirely, so the best bet for expanding it to accommodate all the non-spanish speaking demand is to move it to a place where it might attract more spanish speakers.

Geography isn’t the only reason there isn’t waitlist for native Spanish speakers. APS doesn’t do nearly enough to promote immersion in every community. It would be interesting to see how many FRL eligible families apply to any of the lotteries. I know there’s a belief that the lottery is a great equalizer, and I’m sure that’s true for the families with the knowledge and resources to apply.

Agree, but geography is the big reason. Proximity to native Spanish speakers is critical. The program began at Key over 30 years ago because there were a lot of Spanish speakers in the neighborhood. Back then, the goal was to attract English speakers to the school. Time to move keys immersion program to carlin Springs and reboot.

No, move it to ATS and Claremont immersion to Carlin Springs.

So I don’t think they can make Claremont into a neighborhood school without redoing boundaries in south Arlington and potentially moving the same unit twice.
But they could do ats to Claremont and immersion at ats and calling springs.