Banneker SAT averages: 494 Math; 502 Reading

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Anonymous wrote:True. I doubt we are peers, not because of your perceived SES status, but because of your idiocy. I do not maintain friendships with anyone who believes, in this day and age, that AAs deserve a crutch simply for being AA. How can you possibly even defend that position?
As for your premise, you agree that the test is about logic. So then can you explain what you are disagreeing with when I stated that the test is about logic? What you seemed to not understand is the (rephrased) statement: there is no reason for intelligent kids to do poorly on the SAT since it is a test of logic. Intelligent people naturally possess logic, though it certainly can be trained in when you don't have it. With or without test prep, kids in a selective admission school shouldn't be scoring this low. FWIW, I scored well into the 30s on my MCAT without test prep. Unlike the LSAT, the MCAT is heavy on applied knowledge in conjunction with logic and critical thinking. The test prep argument just doesn't cut it.

So again, if test prep makes no difference, why do people spend so much money on it. I took a bar review class and I learned how to answer the question. Great, you didn't take a test prep and did well. I don't know ANYONE who does that. In high school, every single kid I knew had a private SAT tutor.

Who said it was a crutch? I think the problem is growing up poor. I don't think the SAT has anything to do with intelligence. It's a test. If that was the case, why don't any studies support that? Man, sometimes I really wise we could say who we really are when posting.

I am finished with you. You are clearly someone that I would never want to befriend. Go forth, and be a jerk. Do you even know any black people? If you do, did you meet them at Clarence Thomas' house?

One more thing, I wasn't quite finished. I want you to know, that I will use my crutch and my son will be at Stanford. He will be taking your kids' place. You will be pissed and I won't care. I will use the race card all day every day. Because of people like you. Oh, and my kid will get a scholarship and you will pay. Thanks!

You are all but admitting that your son is intellectually inferior and can only compete with the rest of the country because you will pull the race card. Maybe he's not, but you are hobbling him with that perceived burden anyhow. Way to go. You can't have it both ways and say that everything is top-notch and the kids are the best and brightest, but STILL require handouts and special treatment in order to get into Stanford.
Furthermore, I'm absolutely certain from your remarks that you don't know my or my son's race.

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Anonymous wrote:True. I doubt we are peers, not because of your perceived SES status, but because of your idiocy. I do not maintain friendships with anyone who believes, in this day and age, that AAs deserve a crutch simply for being AA. How can you possibly even defend that position?
As for your premise, you agree that the test is about logic. So then can you explain what you are disagreeing with when I stated that the test is about logic? What you seemed to not understand is the (rephrased) statement: there is no reason for intelligent kids to do poorly on the SAT since it is a test of logic. Intelligent people naturally possess logic, though it certainly can be trained in when you don't have it. With or without test prep, kids in a selective admission school shouldn't be scoring this low. FWIW, I scored well into the 30s on my MCAT without test prep. Unlike the LSAT, the MCAT is heavy on applied knowledge in conjunction with logic and critical thinking. The test prep argument just doesn't cut it.

So again, if test prep makes no difference, why do people spend so much money on it. I took a bar review class and I learned how to answer the question. Great, you didn't take a test prep and did well. I don't know ANYONE who does that. In high school, every single kid I knew had a private SAT tutor.

Who said it was a crutch? I think the problem is growing up poor. I don't think the SAT has anything to do with intelligence. It's a test. If that was the case, why don't any studies support that? Man, sometimes I really wise we could say who we really are when posting.

I am finished with you. You are clearly someone that I would never want to befriend. Go forth, and be a jerk. Do you even know any black people? If you do, did you meet them at Clarence Thomas' house?

One more thing, I wasn't quite finished. I want you to know, that I will use my crutch and my son will be at Stanford. He will be taking your kids' place. You will be pissed and I won't care. I will use the race card all day every day. Because of people like you. Oh, and my kid will get a scholarship and you will pay. Thanks!

You are all but admitting that your son is intellectually inferior and can only compete with the rest of the country because you will pull the race card. Maybe he's not, but you are hobbling him with that perceived burden anyhow. Way to go. You can't have it both ways and say that everything is top-notch and the kids are the best and brightest, but STILL require handouts and special treatment in order to get into Stanford.
Furthermore, I'm absolutely certain from your remarks that you don't know my or my son's race.

I actually don't care what your race is. I know as many black and latino republicans as I do white. Yup, my son will be hampered. With an IQ of 150, race is all he has. That's him. He's intellectually inferior. How did you know?

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Anonymous wrote:Study after study has shown that the best thing the SAT demonstrates is income of the parents.

Then how do you explain the enormous distance between my and my sister's SAT scores? Same parents, same schools, same demographics, same parent/family income levels. Two widely divergent patterns of scores.

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Anonymous wrote:There are absolutley NO legitimate excuses for "smart" kids to do poorly on the SAT. The SATs are set up to test reasoning and logic. Therefore, if you score poorly on those it indicates that the students have a poorly developed sense of knowledge integration. It is normal and expected in low SES students do to the failure to provide nuturing, stimulating, multi-modal learning environments in the early years. That is the ONLY reason why SAT scores are not as heavily weighted in minorities. It is a crutch to compensate for the early damages.

Did you bump your head on a rock, or do you work for the Heritage Foundation. Why does Kaplan and Princeton Review make so much money? Why do parents hire private SAT tutors if it doesn't make any difference? Of course it makes a difference. Doing well on the SAT has NOTHING to do with being "smart."

Let me explain it in simple, easy to understand terms. Since you both negate and support my comments I can only assume one of two things: that either comprehension isn't your strong suit or your ability to construct a logical argument is lacking. The SAT tests reasoning. Reasoning is the ability to make judgements, apply logic and draw upon disparate pieces of information to form logical conclusions. Reasoning is what makes a person intelligent, not rote memorization, a GPA, a good work ethic or laundry list of courses. All of those things are factors for success, but without reasoning skills they are moot. The SAT weeds out the kids who can't reason well and separates them from the ones who have great GPAs and allows schools to have another metric for measuring potential success.

You didn't address my premise. Why do people pay thousands of dollars if the test is just based on "logic". Anyone can learn to take a test. People who take a test prep clearly do better. Ok, that's the only logical statement - and it was made by me. One can learn logic and how to answer a question in test prep. I took the bar and I didn't really know the material, but I knew how to answer the pattern of the question. I passed with a very high score. I didn't know what secured transaction was until I worked in an investment bank, but damn if I didn't know how to answer those questions.

SAT test prep companies would go out of business if they did not make an impact.

Besides, let it be a crutch. Something tells me that I make so much more money than you, you are not worth my time. Clearly, we are not peers.

Oh my God, that is awesome! I love it! (I'm not the PP to whom you are speaking, btw). I've never actually seen a Kardashian speak, but what you just typed is EXACTLY what I would expect from one of them or their ilk. Thank you! I never would have believed we could drag someone out of the slime through some high-end garments and end up with such an outrageously high opinion of herself, but it's true! It's not just the Kardashians! There you are! Superb!