Chicago's new Provisional Acceptance program

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is HW relevant to anything in DC? The wealth at HW is mind blowing. Charlie Munger’s children went there. CEO’s of Hollywood send children to HW. Big pockets last longer than power. Sorry, Saint Albans, GP, Holton, etc are not HW. Not even in the same league. Exeter, Andover, Saint Paul’s, Hotchkiss they are in the same league and you can play the game, send your high achieving children. Move to LA. If not….quit crying and realize you lost and you were out foxed.

Well since you brought up St Albans, they had 6 kids matriculate at Chicago this year (25) and none were in the top 20% of the class.

Chicago frequently takes strong but not top kids from STA. Sometimes it's down to the 50th percentile and up to 8 kids or a full 10% of the graduating class.

During the same year, a third of the top 10% girls went to UChicago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is HW relevant to anything in DC? The wealth at HW is mind blowing. Charlie Munger’s children went there. CEO’s of Hollywood send children to HW. Big pockets last longer than power. Sorry, Saint Albans, GP, Holton, etc are not HW. Not even in the same league. Exeter, Andover, Saint Paul’s, Hotchkiss they are in the same league and you can play the game, send your high achieving children. Move to LA. If not….quit crying and realize you lost and you were out foxed.

Well since you brought up St Albans, they had 6 kids matriculate at Chicago this year (25) and none were in the top 20% of the class.

Chicago frequently takes strong but not top kids from STA. Sometimes it's down to the 50th percentile and up to 8 kids or a full 10% of the graduating class.

Chicago does that at our private too.

[Anonymous]

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Well since you brought up St Albans, they had 6 kids matriculate at Chicago this year (25) and none were in the top 20% of the class.

Chicago frequently takes strong but not top kids from STA. Sometimes it's down to the 50th percentile and up to 8 kids or a full 10% of the graduating class.

That tells you everything. Read The NY Times article. It lays it out very well.

[Anonymous]

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Well since you brought up St Albans, they had 6 kids matriculate at Chicago this year (25) and none were in the top 20% of the class.

Chicago frequently takes strong but not top kids from STA. Sometimes it's down to the 50th percentile and up to 8 kids or a full 10% of the graduating class.

That tells you everything. Read The NY Times article. It lays it out very well.

Yes, it’s all about driving up the yield numbers by a school that has 6.2 billion in debt. They don’t want your kid. They want their early committed acceptance

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Anonymous wrote:The specific examples (athletes, HW data) can obscure the bigger picture. If the quality of the admitted students needs to be compared, the only objective criterion comes from standardized testing.

Here are the 25-75 percentile SAT range from the latest common datasets for 3 different top schools:

School A: 1500-1540-1560
(56 and 21 percent submitting SAT, ACT)

School B: 1510-1540-1560
(49 and 27 percent submitting SAT, ACT)

School C: 1510-1540-1560
(45 and 15 percent submitting SAT, ACT)

Can you guess which one is UChicago? The other two are Princeton and Cornell.

The irony...

Cornell reinstated test required this year. Princeton next.
The only school stays test optional permanently is ... Can you guess which one?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The specific examples (athletes, HW data) can obscure the bigger picture. If the quality of the admitted students needs to be compared, the only objective criterion comes from standardized testing.

Here are the 25-75 percentile SAT range from the latest common datasets for 3 different top schools:

School A: 1500-1540-1560
(56 and 21 percent submitting SAT, ACT)

School B: 1510-1540-1560
(49 and 27 percent submitting SAT, ACT)

School C: 1510-1540-1560
(45 and 15 percent submitting SAT, ACT)

Can you guess which one is UChicago? The other two are Princeton and Cornell.

The irony...

Cornell reinstated test required this year. Princeton next.
The only school stays test optional permanently is ... Can you guess which one?

School B is UChicago. As you can see, the vast majority of admitted students submit tests anyway. Are you really that incapable of analyzing data? Or are your views so biased that no actual information/data can make any difference. If the latter, I do give up.

[Anonymous]

Chicago grad. Chagrined with all the contemptible chicanery that chicago carry through

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How is HW relevant to anything in DC? The wealth at HW is mind blowing. Charlie Munger’s children went there. CEO’s of Hollywood send children to HW. Big pockets last longer than power. Sorry, Saint Albans, GP, Holton, etc are not HW. Not even in the same league. Exeter, Andover, Saint Paul’s, Hotchkiss they are in the same league and you can play the game, send your high achieving children. Move to LA. If not….quit crying and realize you lost and you were out foxed.

Well since you brought up St Albans, they had 6 kids matriculate at Chicago this year (25) and none were in the top 20% of the class.

Chicago frequently takes strong but not top kids from STA. Sometimes it's down to the 50th percentile and up to 8 kids or a full 10% of the graduating class.

Chicago does that at our private too.

All T20s have their share of midwits (except MIT) . Is it is nothing new.
For the ones who are not extremely connected, ensure you are in the top quartile as you graduate to ensure maximum benefit of T20s brand.

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Anonymous wrote:Duke has ED and RD.
Princeton has single-choice early action and RD.

Chicago has SSEN or ED0, ED1, EA, ED2, RD and now provisional acceptance. Is it all just a game to them?

Yes, it's game theory, don't hate the players, hate the game (admissions process). For the home of Economics, this is what they do, I admire it, super smart to match university/student. This is an intellectual approach of matching, from one of the most intellectual places. For those that don't know, game theory is the mathematical study of strategic interactions between rational decision-makers. This is what every college should be doing. They are just outsmarting you lol

You don't know what game theory is, do you?

The problem is that Chicago is not transparent, esp. re EA (which has an acceptance rate near 0% and is merely a mechanism to get more applications/ try to get those students to switch to ED 2.

It's the lack of transparency that people (ok, me) resent.

PP isn't entirely wrong. UChicago is just playing the hand it was dealt with; they would lose kids to top Ivys if competing for them without these tactics. They have to use gamesmanship to get as many full pay, smart kids through the door as possible, which they appear to be doing successfully. And none of this detracts from the fact that the school is truly a great research university. If anything, their strategy will likely pay dividend with a robust alumni base in the future. Also, having a school where the admissions outcome for a bright, high stat kid is more predictable than some isn't a bad thing. With so much criticism lobbed at UChicago, perhaps its worth scrutinizing others as well.

I fully agree with you. Always surprised how the same people who dump on UChicago have no issues with Princeton and Brown accepting athletes with 1200 SAT scores (yes, you can see that on Scoir!).

There is a vast difference between accepting a few athletic recruits with low test scores and U Chicago accepting so many students ED that they have the highest yield in the USA. Do you really think that U Chicago attracts more fervent admirers than HYPS or is U Chicago just taking advantage of nervous students who want to get in “somewhere good” and are willing to give up their choices for a large admissions preference from Chicago

Well that’s cute that you believe it’s just a few athletes with low test scores. Many of the top schools fill more than 3/4 of the class with their priority candidates - VIPs, athletes, legacies, etc. As for taking advantage of kids? Stop with the victim mentality. These are mostly well off kids with high stats and with the ability to decide how to play the game. You can’t whine just because one school thinks the applicants shouldn’t hold all the cards. What Chicago clearly wants is a match - they want you to want them and vice versa. Medical residency programs for example also do a variation of this. And lastly, Chicago is not just “somewhere good” - it’s somewhere great. All the belly aching about one school using a different strategy for admissions is ridiculous. Move on. Or go complain about Yale admissions with its love for field hockey and lacrosse recruits or Duke with it legacy ones. Spread the whine elsewhere.

THIS. There is someone obsessed with UChicago on this forum, maybe their child was rejected? I have no idea why someone would be so invested in being negative about one school.

Why would you think it’s only one person? Do you feel like you have some magic ability to see who is posting? I never posted about U Chicago before but I posted about this. I think their ED focus is disturbing and I have family who went there.

I have family who went there not recently, but I felt awful for this generation of Chicago kids. They have to defend their ED decision throughout their lives. Seeing UChicago people so worked up on this board. Sad.

When it’s time to step away from the online college forums.

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Defend or regret?

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You people need help. Either your kid didn't get in or you are jealous you didn't go and get a real education at UChicago, but went to a grade inflated HPY where everyone graduates summa cum laude so your snowflake wellbeing could be preserved. Everyone gets a trophy at HPY, no skin in the game but that cat is out of the bag. UChicago is respected because their kids earn their grades, employers know this, versus the nepo baby Ivies.

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Anonymous wrote:You people need help. Either your kid didn't get in or you are jealous you didn't go and get a real education at UChicago, but went to a grade inflated HPY where everyone graduates summa cum laude so your snowflake wellbeing could be preserved. Everyone gets a trophy at HPY, no skin in the game but that cat is out of the bag. UChicago is respected because their kids earn their grades, employers know this, versus the nepo baby Ivies.

Chicago parent. It's a hard school. The core is hard, the major requirements go far beyond what we saw at Ivies, and the quarter system can be brutal. However the admissions team is assessing applicants, they do a decent job, because by and large all the kids seem to be smart and capable of doing the work. I also dislike their ED practices, and don't dispute that they should be called out for it. Both these things can be simultaneously true. But the person/people claiming that the peer group is poor, or that kids should be ashamed of attending, either have a very bad case of sour grapes, or some unknown and unwarranted anger against this particular school. It's an excellent education with very strong employment outcomes.

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I defend Chicago often with no connection. It’s a great school, the games are evident and nothing is hidden. They need it to get yield due to location issues. I love and formerly lived in Chicago, but it is what it is.

The part that I wish this board would stop doing is defending their school by admonishing another. My kid is at an Ivy, I don’t pretend to know the ins and outs of other ivies or top schools. No one really knows much about anything other than their own kids choice. Even our own college days are too far gone to be relevant.

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Anonymous wrote:You people need help. Either your kid didn't get in or you are jealous you didn't go and get a real education at UChicago, but went to a grade inflated HPY where everyone graduates summa cum laude so your snowflake wellbeing could be preserved. Everyone gets a trophy at HPY, no skin in the game but that cat is out of the bag. UChicago is respected because their kids earn their grades, employers know this, versus the nepo baby Ivies.

Probably wouldn’t go as far as HYP. IMHO Chicago provides better quality education than most ivies and pretty much all other T20s.