Is it suddenly harder to get high score in SAT or were people always lying?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had one kid taking the SAT in 2022 (when it was on paper) and one who took the digital year. Lots of kids at their private getting over 1500 both years

I bet if you looked at Naviance, you eould see that very few kids at your private school scored over 1500.

Our high performing high school has between 625-725 seniors on a given year. In all the years we have had kids there, naviance only shows around a dozen kids breaking 1500 on the SAT.

There is zero chance that your private school with a senior class of a couple hundred kids has "lots" of kids scoring over 1500.

Agree with this. My family is new to college app and recently got access to Naviance. We freaked out a little seeing so many 1570-1600 the first time we checked who got into which colleges. Then it was explained to us that 1 kid got 1600 and around 10 kids got 1550+, but it looked like everyone did bc those were the top kids who typically tried for ivies EA then applied to 10-12 more schools in RD so it looked like 40 kids got 1580 when it was the same 4 kids. This is a feeder private (20+% Ivies, top 15, WASP). DC is among top kids in his class and scored 1510 in first try. He heard of no one getting 1580 in first try. I think many who say their DC did are embellishing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had one kid taking the SAT in 2022 (when it was on paper) and one who took the digital year. Lots of kids at their private getting over 1500 both years

I bet if you looked at Naviance, you eould see that very few kids at your private school scored over 1500.

Our high performing high school has between 625-725 seniors on a given year. In all the years we have had kids there, naviance only shows around a dozen kids breaking 1500 on the SAT.

There is zero chance that your private school with a senior class of a couple hundred kids has "lots" of kids scoring over 1500.

What is “lots”? Our public school in NJ has about 80 in a class of 375.

Anecdotal bullshit

I believe it. NJ schools are built better. DP.

Compare college admissions for random public schools in NJ vs. "top" DC area schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I had one kid taking the SAT in 2022 (when it was on paper) and one who took the digital year. Lots of kids at their private getting over 1500 both years

I bet if you looked at Naviance, you eould see that very few kids at your private school scored over 1500.

Our high performing high school has between 625-725 seniors on a given year. In all the years we have had kids there, naviance only shows around a dozen kids breaking 1500 on the SAT.

There is zero chance that your private school with a senior class of a couple hundred kids has "lots" of kids scoring over 1500.

What is “lots”? Our public school in NJ has about 80 in a class of 375.

Anecdotal bullshit

I believe it. NJ schools are built better. DP.

Compare college admissions for random public schools in NJ vs. "top" DC area schools.

Nice try, but more bullshit. Colleges acceptance lists mean nothing without disclosing legacy, athletic recruits, donors, URM, first gen

[Anonymous]

I can’t believe we have SAT score conspiracy truthers now. “My child didn’t score over 1500, therefore all students, parents, and schools claiming that anyone ever scores over 1500 are part of one enormous conspiracy to pretend that my kid isn’t the smartest!!”

What a world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe we have SAT score conspiracy truthers now. “My child didn’t score over 1500, therefore all students, parents, and schools claiming that anyone ever scores over 1500 are part of one enormous conspiracy to pretend that my kid isn’t the smartest!!”

What a world.

You must not understand CHEATING

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had one kid taking the SAT in 2022 (when it was on paper) and one who took the digital year. Lots of kids at their private getting over 1500 both years

I bet if you looked at Naviance, you eould see that very few kids at your private school scored over 1500.

Our high performing high school has between 625-725 seniors on a given year. In all the years we have had kids there, naviance only shows around a dozen kids breaking 1500 on the SAT.

There is zero chance that your private school with a senior class of a couple hundred kids has "lots" of kids scoring over 1500.

What is “lots”? Our public school in NJ has about 80 in a class of 375.

Anecdotal bullshit

I believe it. NJ schools are built better. DP.

Compare college admissions for random public schools in NJ vs. "top" DC area schools.

Nice try, but more bullshit. Colleges acceptance lists mean nothing without disclosing legacy, athletic recruits, donors, URM, first gen

NJ also has the highest cutoff for NM commended, along with MA and DC.

a bunch of HS in NJ have an average SAT score higher than McLean's (1308).
https://nj1015.com/sat-scores-nj/

my kid is bright but no genius and got a 1500.

[Anonymous]

All SAT administrations are normed so each one has approximately the same score distribution. You can have very mild drift over the years but the scores are forced onto a curve so the percentiles should be roughly consistent unless and until they have a deliberate 'recentering" or something like that.

Any change in the score distribution is largely in your imagination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:for some people, it always seems to "get a lot harder" when it's their kids turn.

true with sports, auditions, SATs, college admissions, job market, housing market, fertility etc etc

We as a society have internalized the mentality of oppression and conspiracies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe we have SAT score conspiracy truthers now. “My child didn’t score over 1500, therefore all students, parents, and schools claiming that anyone ever scores over 1500 are part of one enormous conspiracy to pretend that my kid isn’t the smartest!!”

What a world.

You must not understand CHEATING

You are making excuses for your mediocre children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe we have SAT score conspiracy truthers now. “My child didn’t score over 1500, therefore all students, parents, and schools claiming that anyone ever scores over 1500 are part of one enormous conspiracy to pretend that my kid isn’t the smartest!!”

What a world.

You must not understand CHEATING

You are making excuses for your mediocre children.

You must be a MORON and an IDIOT. If you don’t have 1600 YOU SUCK

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The digital SAT cut down on cheating, especially international cheating. When the SAT went digital internationally there was huge influx of paper taking foreign students for that interim period when the US was still paper.

Now that it is digital, the organized cheating is harder to accomplish.

And this cheating was MASSIVE, PERVASIVE and NOTORIOUS.

I agree that there was cheating, but how does the switch to digital make it more difficult? By reordering questions (and didn't the paper version do that already)? It seems like anyone can pay someone else to take their test, and making it digital doesn't really make that any more challenging. Just faster, since it's a shorter test.

Imposter cheating still happens. 7 or 8 years ago the FBI busted a cheating ring for Chinese students that took over a 1,000 tests. However, the leak of tests, memorized/recycled tests packaged and sold was much more predominant. Thousands of tests were canceled for this every year since 2010 or so. Not a few, mind you. But tens of thousands.

The digital test has cut down on in-class cheating. It's harder to organize. I'm not sure if better security for Chinese cheating is why there are fewer high scorers. Too bad the College Board doesn't release the number of 1500+ scorers pre-digital and post-digital, broken down by country of origin.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The digital SAT cut down on cheating, especially international cheating. When the SAT went digital internationally there was huge influx of paper taking foreign students for that interim period when the US was still paper.

Now that it is digital, the organized cheating is harder to accomplish.

And this cheating was MASSIVE, PERVASIVE and NOTORIOUS.

I agree that there was cheating, but how does the switch to digital make it more difficult? By reordering questions (and didn't the paper version do that already)? It seems like anyone can pay someone else to take their test, and making it digital doesn't really make that any more challenging. Just faster, since it's a shorter test.

Imposter cheating still happens. 7 or 8 years ago the FBI busted a cheating ring for Chinese students that took over a 1,000 tests. However, the leak of tests, memorized/recycled tests packaged and sold was much more predominant. Thousands of tests were canceled for this every year since 2010 or so. Not a few, mind you. But tens of thousands.

The digital test has cut down on in-class cheating. It's harder to organize. I'm not sure if better security for Chinese cheating is why there are fewer high scorers. Too bad the College Board doesn't release the number of 1500+ scorers pre-digital and post-digital, broken down by country of origin.

There is a Chinese site referenced on reddit that claims to have all digital administrations and they are free. I've looked at the site. I'm surprised but I guess not shocked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I had one kid taking the SAT in 2022 (when it was on paper) and one who took the digital year. Lots of kids at their private getting over 1500 both years

I bet if you looked at Naviance, you eould see that very few kids at your private school scored over 1500.

Our high performing high school has between 625-725 seniors on a given year. In all the years we have had kids there, naviance only shows around a dozen kids breaking 1500 on the SAT.

There is zero chance that your private school with a senior class of a couple hundred kids has "lots" of kids scoring over 1500.

What is “lots”? Our public school in NJ has about 80 in a class of 375.

Anecdotal bullshit

I believe it. NJ schools are built better. DP.

Compare college admissions for random public schools in NJ vs. "top" DC area schools.

Nice try, but more bullshit. Colleges acceptance lists mean nothing without disclosing legacy, athletic recruits, donors, URM, first gen

NJ also has the highest cutoff for NM commended, along with MA and DC.

a bunch of HS in NJ have an average SAT score higher than McLean's (1308).
https://nj1015.com/sat-scores-nj/

my kid is bright but no genius and got a 1500.

Only 1500? If NJ was good an average kid could score 1600.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand this. 1510 and every score above that is a 99th percentile score. Does that mean exactly one percent of students get 1510+ scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand this. 1510 and every score above that is a 99th percentile score. Does that mean exactly one percent of students get 1510+ scores?

1510 is in the 98th percentile as derived from the past 3 years of actual student test-takers.