Airline will bump someone from their window seat up on my request for medical issue how do you handle confrontation?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to understand, OP. Let me try to help

The source you quoted, c the one you said was a law proving your point, and that you were casting shade about nobody else citing?

That's because it says the opposite of what you think it says: "any seat NOT ALREADY ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER PASSENGER." It might be a blocked seat, but the requirement is NOT actually to bump someone.

Here’s the official e‑CFR page spelling out the requirement to reassign (swap out) another passenger’s seat to meet your documented medical need:

14 CFR § 382.85(a)(1)(ii)
"However, you must assign to the passenger any seat, not already assigned to another passenger that accommodates the passenger’s needs, even if that seat is not available for assignment to the general passenger population at the time of the request."

This obligates the carrier to free up, by moving another passenger, any appropriate seat to honor your accommodation.

Not already assigned. Airlines have seats blocked off for all sorts of reasons. They may have offered them third parties to sell, may be releasing them at a later time, may be holding them back for crew or upgrade bumps. The point is the law does not require the airline to revoke someone else’s assigned seat to make way for Princess and her boomer husband.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to understand, OP. Let me try to help

The source you quoted, c the one you said was a law proving your point, and that you were casting shade about nobody else citing?

That's because it says the opposite of what you think it says: "any seat NOT ALREADY ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER PASSENGER." It might be a blocked seat, but the requirement is NOT actually to bump someone.

Here’s the official e‑CFR page spelling out the requirement to reassign (swap out) another passenger’s seat to meet your documented medical need:

14 CFR § 382.85(a)(1)(ii)
"However, you must assign to the passenger any seat, not already assigned to another passenger that accommodates the passenger’s needs, even if that seat is not available for assignment to the general passenger population at the time of the request."

This obligates the carrier to free up, by moving another passenger, any appropriate seat to honor your accommodation.

Exactly what part of "not already assigned to another passenger" do you not understand?

Here's the actual document: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-II/subchapter-D/part-382/subpart-F/section-382.85

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to understand, OP. Let me try to help

The source you quoted, c the one you said was a law proving your point, and that you were casting shade about nobody else citing?

That's because it says the opposite of what you think it says: "any seat NOT ALREADY ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER PASSENGER." It might be a blocked seat, but the requirement is NOT actually to bump someone.

Here’s the official e‑CFR page spelling out the requirement to reassign (swap out) another passenger’s seat to meet your documented medical need:

14 CFR § 382.85(a)(1)(ii)
"However, you must assign to the passenger any seat, not already assigned to another passenger that accommodates the passenger’s needs, even if that seat is not available for assignment to the general passenger population at the time of the request."

This obligates the carrier to free up, by moving another passenger, any appropriate seat to honor your accommodation.

Not already assigned. Airlines have seats blocked off for all sorts of reasons. They may have offered them third parties to sell, may be releasing them at a later time, may be holding them back for crew or upgrade bumps. The point is the law does not require the airline to revoke someone else’s assigned seat to make way for Princess and her boomer husband.

Thanks for clearing this up. This thread was a lot of drama for nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to understand, OP. Let me try to help

The source you quoted, c the one you said was a law proving your point, and that you were casting shade about nobody else citing?

That's because it says the opposite of what you think it says: "any seat NOT ALREADY ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER PASSENGER." It might be a blocked seat, but the requirement is NOT actually to bump someone.

Here’s the official e‑CFR page spelling out the requirement to reassign (swap out) another passenger’s seat to meet your documented medical need:

14 CFR § 382.85(a)(1)(ii)
"However, you must assign to the passenger any seat, not already assigned to another passenger that accommodates the passenger’s needs, even if that seat is not available for assignment to the general passenger population at the time of the request."

This obligates the carrier to free up, by moving another passenger, any appropriate seat to honor your accommodation.

Not already assigned. Airlines have seats blocked off for all sorts of reasons. They may have offered them third parties to sell, may be releasing them at a later time, may be holding them back for crew or upgrade bumps. The point is the law does not require the airline to revoke someone else’s assigned seat to make way for Princess and her boomer husband.

We definitely are not boomers note how we used the chat agent. Hint under 40.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to understand, OP. Let me try to help

The source you quoted, c the one you said was a law proving your point, and that you were casting shade about nobody else citing?

That's because it says the opposite of what you think it says: "any seat NOT ALREADY ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER PASSENGER." It might be a blocked seat, but the requirement is NOT actually to bump someone.

Here’s the official e‑CFR page spelling out the requirement to reassign (swap out) another passenger’s seat to meet your documented medical need:

14 CFR § 382.85(a)(1)(ii)
"However, you must assign to the passenger any seat, not already assigned to another passenger that accommodates the passenger’s needs, even if that seat is not available for assignment to the general passenger population at the time of the request."

This obligates the carrier to free up, by moving another passenger, any appropriate seat to honor your accommodation.

Not already assigned. Airlines have seats blocked off for all sorts of reasons. They may have offered them third parties to sell, may be releasing them at a later time, may be holding them back for crew or upgrade bumps. The point is the law does not require the airline to revoke someone else’s assigned seat to make way for Princess and her boomer husband.

We definitely are not boomers note how we used the chat agent. Hint under 40.

I mean under 45 but maybe someone learned something new , I know i did about the medical accomodations form and I won't be scoffing at people when they have a seat change in the future.

[Anonymous]

Gotta love having NetJets! No need to suffer people like the OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to understand, OP. Let me try to help

The source you quoted, c the one you said was a law proving your point, and that you were casting shade about nobody else citing?

That's because it says the opposite of what you think it says: "any seat NOT ALREADY ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER PASSENGER." It might be a blocked seat, but the requirement is NOT actually to bump someone.

Here’s the official e‑CFR page spelling out the requirement to reassign (swap out) another passenger’s seat to meet your documented medical need:

14 CFR § 382.85(a)(1)(ii)
"However, you must assign to the passenger any seat, not already assigned to another passenger that accommodates the passenger’s needs, even if that seat is not available for assignment to the general passenger population at the time of the request."

This obligates the carrier to free up, by moving another passenger, any appropriate seat to honor your accommodation.

Exactly what part of "not already assigned to another passenger" do you not understand?

Here's the actual document: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-II/subchapter-D/part-382/subpart-F/section-382.85

Here you go:

Title 14, Part 382 (“Nondiscrimination on the Basis of Disability in Air Travel”), § 382.83(a)(2)(iii). You can read it directly in the e-CFR here:
14 CFR § 382.83(a)(2)(iii)
"If all designated priority seats that would accommodate the passenger have been assigned to other passengers, you must reassign the seats of the other passengers as needed to provide the requested accommodation."

This makes sense as to why the seats were moved around

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to understand, OP. Let me try to help

The source you quoted, c the one you said was a law proving your point, and that you were casting shade about nobody else citing?

That's because it says the opposite of what you think it says: "any seat NOT ALREADY ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER PASSENGER." It might be a blocked seat, but the requirement is NOT actually to bump someone.

Here’s the official e‑CFR page spelling out the requirement to reassign (swap out) another passenger’s seat to meet your documented medical need:

14 CFR § 382.85(a)(1)(ii)
"However, you must assign to the passenger any seat, not already assigned to another passenger that accommodates the passenger’s needs, even if that seat is not available for assignment to the general passenger population at the time of the request."

This obligates the carrier to free up, by moving another passenger, any appropriate seat to honor your accommodation.

Exactly what part of "not already assigned to another passenger" do you not understand?

Here's the actual document: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-14/chapter-II/subchapter-D/part-382/subpart-F/section-382.85

Here you go:

Title 14, Part 382 (“Nondiscrimination on the Basis of Disability in Air Travel”), § 382.83(a)(2)(iii). You can read it directly in the e-CFR here:
14 CFR § 382.83(a)(2)(iii)
"If all designated priority seats that would accommodate the passenger have been assigned to other passengers, you must reassign the seats of the other passengers as needed to provide the requested accommodation."

This makes sense as to why the seats were moved around

That's only for priority seats set aside for disability. I can't tell if you just don't know what you are talking about, or if you are deliberately leaving out the framing to try to rationalize that you're right. You aren't.

Here is the whole section. (Note that I provide a link instead of taking it out of context. )

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/382.83

§ 382.83 Through what mechanisms do carriers make seating accommodations?
(a) If you are a carrier that provides advance seat assignments to passengers (i.e., offer seat assignments to passengers before the day of the flight), you must comply with the requirements of § 382.81 of this part by any of the following methods:

(1) You may “block” an adequate number of the seats used to provide the seating accommodations required by § 382.81.

(i) You must not assign these seats to passengers who do not meet the criteria of § 382.81 until 24 hours before the scheduled departure of the flight.

(ii) At any time up until 24 hours before the scheduled departure of the flight, you must assign a seat meeting the requirements of this section to a passenger with a disability meeting one or more of the requirements of § 382.81 who requests it, at the time the passenger initially makes the request.

(iii) If a passenger with a disability specified in § 382.81 does not make a request at least 24 hours before the scheduled departure of the flight, you must meet the passenger's request to the extent practicable, but you are not required to reassign a seat assigned to another passenger in order to do so.

(2) You may designate an adequate number of the seats used to provide seating accommodations required by § 382.81 as “priority seats” for passengers with a disability.


[NOTE WELL:]

(i) You must provide notice that all passengers assigned these seats (other than passengers with a disability listed in § 382.81 of this part) are subject to being reassigned to another seat if necessary to provide a seating accommodation required by this section.

(ii) You may provide this notice through your computer reservation system, verbal information provided by reservation personnel, ticket notices, gate announcements, counter signs, seat cards or notices, frequent-flier literature, or other appropriate means.

(iii) You must assign a seat meeting the requirements of this section to a passenger with a disability listed in § 382.81 of this part who requests the accommodation at the time the passenger makes the request. You may require such a passenger to check in and request the seating accommodation at least one hour before the standard check-in time for the flight. [And only THEN] If all designated priority seats that would accommodate the passenger have been assigned to other passengers, you must reassign the seats of the other passengers as needed to provide the requested accommodation.

(iv) If a passenger with a disability listed in § 382.81 does not check in at least an hour before the standard check-in time for the general public, you must meet the individual's request to the extent practicable, but you are not required to reassign a seat assigned to another passenger in order to do so.

(b) If you assign seats to passengers, but not until the date of the flight, you must use the “priority seating” approach of paragraph (a)(2) of this section.

(c) If you do not provide advance seat assignments to passengers, you must allow passengers specified in § 382.81 to board the aircraft before other passengers, including other “preboarded” passengers, so that the passengers needing seating accommodations can select seats that best meet their needs.

(d) As a carrier, if you wish to use a different method of providing seating assignment accommodations to passengers with disabilities from those specified in this subpart, you must obtain the written concurrence of the Department of Transportation. Contact the Department at the address cited in § 382.159 of this part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BS excuse to get a window.

He could have sat in either of the very middle two seats and then he wouldn't have to get up for anyone.

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YES! A middle seat in the middle row sounds perfect for someone with a back issue. They'd never ever have to get up. The aisle people would just use their own aisles.

Yes but the doctor said we need to keep pressure off the lower back and to lean and get a window seat. That's what the doctor said until full recovery. We just are following the doctor note for air travel.

Did the doctor also tell you that you have to travel?

I think the doctor always travels in economy.

The doctor probably never expected that OP and her DH would be obnoxious and entitled enough to go on a vacation and think that his “bad back” entitles him to kick someone else out of the premium seats they paid for. Not many people would have the audacity and selfishness to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:BS excuse to get a window.

He could have sat in either of the very middle two seats and then he wouldn't have to get up for anyone.

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YES! A middle seat in the middle row sounds perfect for someone with a back issue. They'd never ever have to get up. The aisle people would just use their own aisles.

Yes but the doctor said we need to keep pressure off the lower back and to lean and get a window seat. That's what the doctor said until full recovery. We just are following the doctor note for air travel.

Did the doctor also tell you that you have to travel?

I think the doctor always travels in economy.

The doctor probably never expected that OP and her DH would be obnoxious and entitled enough to go on a vacation and think that his “bad back” entitles him to kick someone else out of the premium seats they paid for. Not many people would have the audacity and selfishness to do that.

And all of this for first class seats. Crazy. Surprised they didn’t also get doctor note for needing all window shades in their section at particular level and everyone must have their vents pointed particular direction and oh, they need their food choice first so that yummy chicken parm is not gone and they are left with beef tips.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to understand, OP. Let me try to help

The source you quoted, c the one you said was a law proving your point, and that you were casting shade about nobody else citing?

That's because it says the opposite of what you think it says: "any seat NOT ALREADY ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER PASSENGER." It might be a blocked seat, but the requirement is NOT actually to bump someone.

Here’s the official e‑CFR page spelling out the requirement to reassign (swap out) another passenger’s seat to meet your documented medical need:

14 CFR § 382.85(a)(1)(ii)
"However, you must assign to the passenger any seat, not already assigned to another passenger that accommodates the passenger’s needs, even if that seat is not available for assignment to the general passenger population at the time of the request."

This obligates the carrier to free up, by moving another passenger, any appropriate seat to honor your accommodation.

Is reading really that hard?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to understand, OP. Let me try to help

The source you quoted, c the one you said was a law proving your point, and that you were casting shade about nobody else citing?

That's because it says the opposite of what you think it says: "any seat NOT ALREADY ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER PASSENGER." It might be a blocked seat, but the requirement is NOT actually to bump someone.

Here’s the official e‑CFR page spelling out the requirement to reassign (swap out) another passenger’s seat to meet your documented medical need:

14 CFR § 382.85(a)(1)(ii)
"However, you must assign to the passenger any seat, not already assigned to another passenger that accommodates the passenger’s needs, even if that seat is not available for assignment to the general passenger population at the time of the request."

This obligates the carrier to free up, by moving another passenger, any appropriate seat to honor your accommodation.

Not already assigned. Airlines have seats blocked off for all sorts of reasons. They may have offered them third parties to sell, may be releasing them at a later time, may be holding them back for crew or upgrade bumps. The point is the law does not require the airline to revoke someone else’s assigned seat to make way for Princess and her boomer husband.

We definitely are not boomers note how we used the chat agent. Hint under 40.

I mean under 45 but maybe someone learned something new , I know i did about the medical accomodations form and I won't be scoffing at people when they have a seat change in the future.

You are under 45? I thought you were minimum 70. I have even less respect for your intellect now, being senile was a partial excuse. What a moron.

It's hilarious how OP thinks that she is smart because she "uncovered" a basic reg that is just implementing the ADA. She's basically a lawyer now! Snort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to understand, OP. Let me try to help

The source you quoted, c the one you said was a law proving your point, and that you were casting shade about nobody else citing?

That's because it says the opposite of what you think it says: "any seat NOT ALREADY ASSIGNED TO ANOTHER PASSENGER." It might be a blocked seat, but the requirement is NOT actually to bump someone.

Here’s the official e‑CFR page spelling out the requirement to reassign (swap out) another passenger’s seat to meet your documented medical need:

14 CFR § 382.85(a)(1)(ii)
"However, you must assign to the passenger any seat, not already assigned to another passenger that accommodates the passenger’s needs, even if that seat is not available for assignment to the general passenger population at the time of the request."

This obligates the carrier to free up, by moving another passenger, any appropriate seat to honor your accommodation.

Not already assigned. Airlines have seats blocked off for all sorts of reasons. They may have offered them third parties to sell, may be releasing them at a later time, may be holding them back for crew or upgrade bumps. The point is the law does not require the airline to revoke someone else’s assigned seat to make way for Princess and her boomer husband.

We definitely are not boomers note how we used the chat agent. Hint under 40.

I mean under 45 but maybe someone learned something new , I know i did about the medical accomodations form and I won't be scoffing at people when they have a seat change in the future.

You are under 45? I thought you were minimum 70. I have even less respect for your intellect now, being senile was a partial excuse. What a moron.

It's hilarious how OP thinks that she is smart because she "uncovered" a basic reg that is just implementing the ADA. She's basically a lawyer now! Snort.

DP. I find your response rude and offensive. Go do something productive like taking a brisk 10 min instead of posting any more rude responses. It will give you a similar high but will be healthier for you.

[Anonymous]

… why wouldn’t you just book a flight that had the available seats you need? Gosh it’s so frustrating to have done everything “right” as a pax, and someone else who failed to plan properly messes up your plans. Very inconsiderate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:… why wouldn’t you just book a flight that had the available seats you need? Gosh it’s so frustrating to have done everything “right” as a pax, and someone else who failed to plan properly messes up your plans. Very inconsiderate.

Exactly. Take another flight on another day. So unfair for you to do this. This person, if someone has to be reassigned, may also have good reason to want window seat on an expensive flight (I assume long flight with that configuration).

So exactly why do you think this is OK? I am all about helping your fellow man, but you sound entitled.

Not a Dr but dont' understand how having a window seat helps with a bad back. This lean to the side doesn't ring true. But ok.