Secondary school BATHROOMS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Perhaps "Ring" doorbell cameras and buzzer to get in, just like at the front of the schools. Show ID card to camera before getting buzzed or have a scanner like when a parent has to get a visitor pass. Only allow as many kids as toilets. Smoke detectors, and maybe even a ceiling mounted security camera dome inside the bathroom (not over toilets, obv). If staffing allows, random bathroom sweeps to catch malfeasants.

Also, parents can try contacting ACLU, Dept of Ed Office of Civil Rights re a Title IX complaint (disproportionate effect on those who menstruate).

Or find a lawyer for a class action suit. Or every parent whose kid suffered a monetarily quantifiable consequence (ruined clothing, trip to ER) sues in small claims court until policies change.

These are not mutually exclusive possibilities. I'm just spitballing.

Who wants to lead this? Any MCPS parents 'bout to graduate from the school system?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS School System Medical Officer
240-740-1594
Patricia_Kapunan AT mcpsmd.org

I've talked with Dr. K about it. Her hands are tied and her mouth is closed on this issue. She's not a disrupter of the status quo.

As rest of CO and MCPS, focused on optics, removed from on the ground reality. Just protecting her job/get-child-to-college answers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My child is at a HS that folks around here like to say is Ganglandia, and the bathrooms are open. The kids also have an hour-long lunch, which gives plenty of time for kids to use the facilities.

With that said, I was in a MS the other day and the bathrooms there were closed.

Which high school is called ganglandia?

according to W school parents, all non W schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is at a HS that folks around here like to say is Ganglandia, and the bathrooms are open. The kids also have an hour-long lunch, which gives plenty of time for kids to use the facilities.

With that said, I was in a MS the other day and the bathrooms there were closed.

Which high school is called ganglandia?

according to W school parents, all non W schools

whatever school your school is rivals

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS School System Medical Officer
240-740-1594
Patricia_Kapunan AT mcpsmd.org

I've talked with Dr. K about it. Her hands are tied and her mouth is closed on this issue. She's not a disrupter of the status quo.

What the does she do then?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is at a HS that folks around here like to say is Ganglandia, and the bathrooms are open. The kids also have an hour-long lunch, which gives plenty of time for kids to use the facilities.

With that said, I was in a MS the other day and the bathrooms there were closed.

Which high school is called ganglandia?

according to W school parents, all non W schools

No one uses that term except you

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS School System Medical Officer
240-740-1594
Patricia_Kapunan AT mcpsmd.org

I've talked with Dr. K about it. Her hands are tied and her mouth is closed on this issue. She's not a disrupter of the status quo.

What the does she do then?

Publicity like Evans on BOE

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS School System Medical Officer
240-740-1594
Patricia_Kapunan AT mcpsmd.org

I've talked with Dr. K about it. Her hands are tied and her mouth is closed on this issue. She's not a disrupter of the status quo.

A McKnight hire? Sigh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is at a HS that folks around here like to say is Ganglandia, and the bathrooms are open. The kids also have an hour-long lunch, which gives plenty of time for kids to use the facilities.

With that said, I was in a MS the other day and the bathrooms there were closed.

Which high school is called ganglandia?

according to W school parents, all non W schools

No one uses that term except you

lol.. use the search function in the MCPS forum. Littered with that term.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is at a HS that folks around here like to say is Ganglandia, and the bathrooms are open. The kids also have an hour-long lunch, which gives plenty of time for kids to use the facilities.

With that said, I was in a MS the other day and the bathrooms there were closed.

Which high school is called ganglandia?

according to W school parents, all non W schools

No one uses that term except you

lol.. use the search function in the MCPS forum. Littered with that term.

That person is definitely a troll or new. The W term has been around even before there was even DCUM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My child is at a HS that folks around here like to say is Ganglandia, and the bathrooms are open. The kids also have an hour-long lunch, which gives plenty of time for kids to use the facilities.

With that said, I was in a MS the other day and the bathrooms there were closed.

Which high school is called ganglandia?

according to W school parents, all non W schools

No one uses that term except you

lol.. use the search function in the MCPS forum. Littered with that term.

That person is definitely a troll or new. The W term has been around even before there was even DCUM.

I thought they were referring to how W parents refer to other schools as Ganglandia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In addition to physical limitations (closing facilities) many schools also limit numbers of passes for students. I counted what my child is "entitled to" based on the policies at his school and he can go 5x/class during a marking period, and has 7 classes, so he can go to the bathroom 35/45 days. I guess the other days he just has to go during lunch or hold it.

I have given him permission to just leave the room if he's denied access to a bathroom and needs it. I'll deal with the discipline. His doctor is willing to write a note because my kid has suffered from health consequences related to holding pee and poop before.

+1 we ended up in the ER due to blockage from DC holding it too much.

It really makes me mad that all kids are being punished for the actions of a few. If those kids want to vape, let them vape their little hearts out. Why should my kid be punished for the bad things those kids do?

That’s just the way things are now in Montgomery County.

The Fallsgrove Panera had to quit leaving coffee cups out because people were stealing them. It’s a pain for both staff and customers who used to use them.

Our Giant had to lock the second set of doors because of too much shoplifting where people would just take stuff and walk right out. Again, more hassle for people.

We have created a culture where nobody follows rules anymore here in Montgomery County (people ignore housing codes, residency requirments for school attendance, immigration rules) and it’s accepted and embraced.

There are rules in place for expected behavior in high school bathrooms. But those rules are universally ignored and the bathrooms are a sh&tshow, so it’s easier to just close them.

I went to buy my kid a Panera gift card for Christmas. They didn't have any gift cards -- people had stolen them all. They hadn't even been activated -- people are just jerks.

MCPS already has rules in place with its Code of Conduct. Students are expected to behave appropriately in bathrooms.

But that is not happening. The kids have learned that they can ignore the rules (just like adults do) and get away with it.

What else can schools do? MCPS would prefer to spend money on random initiatives, versus hire more staff. It’s kind of a mess. Easier to just close bathrooms.

How about informing students/families it'll go on student's school record if vandalizing, inappropriate behaviors inside school etc.? Can a school social worker, if within their job description, visit student's home to talk to caretaker if caretaker is not responding to school admin's calls or messages?

Vandalizing public property is already a crime that should be prosecuted by the county.

How do you expect schools to investigate an incident of vandalism in the bathroom? How can they prove who vandalized a particular bathroom stall? How can a school prove that a kid was smoking weed in a restroom?

There is not enough security staff in schools to do this. And cameras in bathrooms are not a viable option.

Here's a thought. Pull back the one million dollars that was spent on letting you know where the bus is and hire 20 bathroom monitors.

There is 20 HS alone so clearly 20 bathroom monitors would not be enough. But okay. 🙄

25(HS)+40(MS) =65 schools
Depending on size of HS, up to 25 bathrooms: 25 x 25(HS)= 625
even if you need half of that, where are you going to find that many "monitors"?
And then for all the MS? Shortage of workers in the industry.

Contact MoCo Council ask them to budget for school bathroom monitors. If they took away SROs they should give our schools bathroom monitors.

Shouldn't MCPS and the superintendent be REQUESTING that in their budget and then enlisting parent and community support for that recommendation?

Well, I really do not see how anyone could be even remotely placing any of the blame here on the Superintendent or MCPS here. Certainly no one believes they are the ones causing the problem here.

Why is it their job to solve it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In addition to physical limitations (closing facilities) many schools also limit numbers of passes for students. I counted what my child is "entitled to" based on the policies at his school and he can go 5x/class during a marking period, and has 7 classes, so he can go to the bathroom 35/45 days. I guess the other days he just has to go during lunch or hold it.

I have given him permission to just leave the room if he's denied access to a bathroom and needs it. I'll deal with the discipline. His doctor is willing to write a note because my kid has suffered from health consequences related to holding pee and poop before.

+1 we ended up in the ER due to blockage from DC holding it too much.

It really makes me mad that all kids are being punished for the actions of a few. If those kids want to vape, let them vape their little hearts out. Why should my kid be punished for the bad things those kids do?

That’s just the way things are now in Montgomery County.

The Fallsgrove Panera had to quit leaving coffee cups out because people were stealing them. It’s a pain for both staff and customers who used to use them.

Our Giant had to lock the second set of doors because of too much shoplifting where people would just take stuff and walk right out. Again, more hassle for people.

We have created a culture where nobody follows rules anymore here in Montgomery County (people ignore housing codes, residency requirments for school attendance, immigration rules) and it’s accepted and embraced.

There are rules in place for expected behavior in high school bathrooms. But those rules are universally ignored and the bathrooms are a sh&tshow, so it’s easier to just close them.

I went to buy my kid a Panera gift card for Christmas. They didn't have any gift cards -- people had stolen them all. They hadn't even been activated -- people are just jerks.

MCPS already has rules in place with its Code of Conduct. Students are expected to behave appropriately in bathrooms.

But that is not happening. The kids have learned that they can ignore the rules (just like adults do) and get away with it.

What else can schools do? MCPS would prefer to spend money on random initiatives, versus hire more staff. It’s kind of a mess. Easier to just close bathrooms.

How about informing students/families it'll go on student's school record if vandalizing, inappropriate behaviors inside school etc.? Can a school social worker, if within their job description, visit student's home to talk to caretaker if caretaker is not responding to school admin's calls or messages?

Vandalizing public property is already a crime that should be prosecuted by the county.

How do you expect schools to investigate an incident of vandalism in the bathroom? How can they prove who vandalized a particular bathroom stall? How can a school prove that a kid was smoking weed in a restroom?

There is not enough security staff in schools to do this. And cameras in bathrooms are not a viable option.

Here's a thought. Pull back the one million dollars that was spent on letting you know where the bus is and hire 20 bathroom monitors.

There is 20 HS alone so clearly 20 bathroom monitors would not be enough. But okay. 🙄

25(HS)+40(MS) =65 schools
Depending on size of HS, up to 25 bathrooms: 25 x 25(HS)= 625
even if you need half of that, where are you going to find that many "monitors"?
And then for all the MS? Shortage of workers in the industry.

Contact MoCo Council ask them to budget for school bathroom monitors. If they took away SROs they should give our schools bathroom monitors.

Shouldn't MCPS and the superintendent be REQUESTING that in their budget and then enlisting parent and community support for that recommendation?

Well, I really do not see how anyone could be even remotely placing any of the blame here on the Superintendent or MCPS here. Certainly no one believes they are the ones causing the problem here.

Why is it their job to solve it?

No one answer this poster. Troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In addition to physical limitations (closing facilities) many schools also limit numbers of passes for students. I counted what my child is "entitled to" based on the policies at his school and he can go 5x/class during a marking period, and has 7 classes, so he can go to the bathroom 35/45 days. I guess the other days he just has to go during lunch or hold it.

I have given him permission to just leave the room if he's denied access to a bathroom and needs it. I'll deal with the discipline. His doctor is willing to write a note because my kid has suffered from health consequences related to holding pee and poop before.

+1 we ended up in the ER due to blockage from DC holding it too much.

It really makes me mad that all kids are being punished for the actions of a few. If those kids want to vape, let them vape their little hearts out. Why should my kid be punished for the bad things those kids do?

That’s just the way things are now in Montgomery County.

The Fallsgrove Panera had to quit leaving coffee cups out because people were stealing them. It’s a pain for both staff and customers who used to use them.

Our Giant had to lock the second set of doors because of too much shoplifting where people would just take stuff and walk right out. Again, more hassle for people.

We have created a culture where nobody follows rules anymore here in Montgomery County (people ignore housing codes, residency requirments for school attendance, immigration rules) and it’s accepted and embraced.

There are rules in place for expected behavior in high school bathrooms. But those rules are universally ignored and the bathrooms are a sh&tshow, so it’s easier to just close them.

I went to buy my kid a Panera gift card for Christmas. They didn't have any gift cards -- people had stolen them all. They hadn't even been activated -- people are just jerks.

MCPS already has rules in place with its Code of Conduct. Students are expected to behave appropriately in bathrooms.

But that is not happening. The kids have learned that they can ignore the rules (just like adults do) and get away with it.

What else can schools do? MCPS would prefer to spend money on random initiatives, versus hire more staff. It’s kind of a mess. Easier to just close bathrooms.

How about informing students/families it'll go on student's school record if vandalizing, inappropriate behaviors inside school etc.? Can a school social worker, if within their job description, visit student's home to talk to caretaker if caretaker is not responding to school admin's calls or messages?

Vandalizing public property is already a crime that should be prosecuted by the county.

How do you expect schools to investigate an incident of vandalism in the bathroom? How can they prove who vandalized a particular bathroom stall? How can a school prove that a kid was smoking weed in a restroom?

There is not enough security staff in schools to do this. And cameras in bathrooms are not a viable option.

Here's a thought. Pull back the one million dollars that was spent on letting you know where the bus is and hire 20 bathroom monitors.

There is 20 HS alone so clearly 20 bathroom monitors would not be enough. But okay. 🙄

25(HS)+40(MS) =65 schools
Depending on size of HS, up to 25 bathrooms: 25 x 25(HS)= 625
even if you need half of that, where are you going to find that many "monitors"?
And then for all the MS? Shortage of workers in the industry.

Contact MoCo Council ask them to budget for school bathroom monitors. If they took away SROs they should give our schools bathroom monitors.

I"m sure you can fine people who'll "monitor" for free!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can the current SMOB or if next year's has already been selected bring up the concerns at next BOE meeting? What can the students who are also concerned do at this point? Write to the SMOB? Can a rep from the AAP testify at a meeting? Not that it should even be necessary but still it could help if presented from a medical standpoint.

SMOBs are children. They will fold and acquiesce to the more powerful adults. Don’t expect them to go against their fellow board members.

SMOBs are more mature than 95% of DCUM posters. And easily the match for most of our elected BoE members.

LOL
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They get their money and run. Never, ever accomplish anything.

not very much money!