Penn President resigns

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I think Jewish people should be very careful about teaming up with the extreme right.
I worry that this will not end well

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Anonymous wrote:stupid lib cancel culture

Conservative cancel culture is way worse as it has no moral compass. Not a surprise given the self serving nature of the right.

Lib cancel culture is not based on morality but on the primitive principle “friend good, enemy bad”. Don’t get mad when the conservatives imitate this.

This is not a liberal vs conservative issue.

Conservatives invented “cancel culture” anyway

the most striking thing about this thread is the massive number of far right posters there are on this website and their inability to make cogent or compelling arguenent

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Anonymous wrote:I think Jewish people should be very careful about teaming up with the extreme right.
I worry that this will not end well

The American far right is christo fascist and that outcome is well documented.

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Anonymous wrote:You have mixed feelings about her bumbling equivocating responses regarding genocide?
As for Penn, like any other entity, how else can an organization be held accountable for incompetent leadership aside from hitting them where it counts.

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about trying to respond to a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.

I also have very angry feelings at the racism directed at Claudine Gay by certain Jews who suggest she isn’t qualified and was only hired because DEI.

And I am absolutely disgusted by the delight of the hypocritical right wing nut jobs who carry on about free speech on college campuses but they really mean to regulate speech more than anyone.

And Israel is really coming close to a campaign of genocide in its killing of innocent civilians by the thousands in Gaza.

Agree

If you take a hard look at Claudine Gay career before she became Harvard president it becomes clear that she is mediocre compared to her predecessors and other university presidents. Why oh why would she have become president of what supposedly is one of the most prestigious universities? And from congressional hearing clearly isn’t up to the task. This has nothing to do with racism.


https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2022/12/16/the-president-has-no-clothes

Gay’s CV, current as of October 2022, includes a grand total of eleven articles, published between 1998 and 2017, and one co-edited book published in 2013. The brilliant scholar of political science, who is now to lead Harvard University, has not published one academic book.

But consider the CVs of Gay’s predecessors as Harvard presidents. Larry Summers himself published extraordinarily more than has Gay; indeed, his article publication in the year 1987 alone roughly equals that of Gay during her entire career. Drew Gilpin Faust had published five books before she became president of Harvard; Lawrence Bacow at least two. Claudine Gay’s publication record does not remotely meet the standards established by her immediate predecessors.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Jewish people should be very careful about teaming up with the extreme right.
I worry that this will not end well

The American far right is christo fascist and that outcome is well documented.

It’s become very clear the past two months that the left will rather tear Jews apart.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Jewish people should be very careful about teaming up with the extreme right.
I worry that this will not end well

Many Jewish people around the world agree, including former Israeli military leaders. The right are false friends.
Peace and shared resources are better friends.

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Anonymous wrote:You have mixed feelings about her bumbling equivocating responses regarding genocide?
As for Penn, like any other entity, how else can an organization be held accountable for incompetent leadership aside from hitting them where it counts.

Yeah, I have mixed feelings about trying to respond to a “when did you stop beating your wife” question.

I also have very angry feelings at the racism directed at Claudine Gay by certain Jews who suggest she isn’t qualified and was only hired because DEI.

And I am absolutely disgusted by the delight of the hypocritical right wing nut jobs who carry on about free speech on college campuses but they really mean to regulate speech more than anyone.

And Israel is really coming close to a campaign of genocide in its killing of innocent civilians by the thousands in Gaza.

Agree

If you take a hard look at Claudine Gay career before she became Harvard president it becomes clear that she is mediocre compared to her predecessors and other university presidents. Why oh why would she have become president of what supposedly is one of the most prestigious universities? And from congressional hearing clearly isn’t up to the task. This has nothing to do with racism.


https://www.mindingthecampus.org/2022/12/16/the-president-has-no-clothes

Gay’s CV, current as of October 2022, includes a grand total of eleven articles, published between 1998 and 2017, and one co-edited book published in 2013. The brilliant scholar of political science, who is now to lead Harvard University, has not published one academic book.

But consider the CVs of Gay’s predecessors as Harvard presidents. Larry Summers himself published extraordinarily more than has Gay; indeed, his article publication in the year 1987 alone roughly equals that of Gay during her entire career. Drew Gilpin Faust had published five books before she became president of Harvard; Lawrence Bacow at least two. Claudine Gay’s publication record does not remotely meet the standards established by her immediate predecessors.

Yes, but the so called “progressives” will call you racist for pointing this out. But apparently calling for killing of Jews is acceptable to them.

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Speech advocating violence against someone because of ethnicity (Palestinian, Israeli) or religious belief (Muslim, Jewish) is NOT protected speech.

The US constitution guarantees freedom to practice one’s religion, which guarantee cannot exist in the presence of violence or threats of violence against a religious group. It is tragic that already there have been deaths caused by violence against students based on their ethnicity/religion.

Further, private universities (e.g., Harvard, MIT, Penn) have much more leeway to manage speech which occurs either (a) on campus or (b) by university-recognized groups - than a public university might have.

Any university leader of any university who tolerates (or otherwise does not actively move to prevent/stop) violence or advocacy of violence against any ethnicity or against any religious group ought to be fired immediately for cause.

And the Federal DoEd ought to immediately begin an investigation into potential civil rights violations at any such university - while immediately cutting off ALL Federal funding to the university during that investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Jewish people should be very careful about teaming up with the extreme right.
I worry that this will not end well

Many Jewish people around the world agree, including former Israeli military leaders. The right are false friends.
Peace and shared resources are better friends.

Sadly both the right and the left are false friends to Jews as demonstrated over the past few months.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it chilling that you cannot criticize Jewish people or Israel in any way without severe consequences. Cancel culture in overdrive

+1

The irony is that Israel seems to be committing genocide against the Palestinians.

+1. Fired over a hypothetical. No one has called for genocide against Jewish people (one-sided interpretations of a chant don’t count). Meanwhile, the Palestinians are being eradicated (even from Southern Gaza where Israel told them to go).

That’s war.

Not genocide

War has been the pretext for the genocide that’s been occurring for 100+ years in the region, at the hands of Zionists before and since the creation of the State of Israel.

I mean, have a ball denying it. Nobody objective is buying it.

Hmmm.. dont really care.

Good. Enjoy running around like a hysterical shrew for the rest of your miserable life feigning confusion and outrage as to why the rest of the world holds you in contempt. I’ll take additional solace in knowing that you’ll have to eat the shittiest cultural foods imaginable every step of the way.

At your core, you deserve worse still.

DP. You do realize you sound completely insane, don’t you, with a little touch of misogyny to go with it?

It’s honestly hard for me to take people like you remotely seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it chilling that you cannot criticize Jewish people or Israel in any way without severe consequences. Cancel culture in overdrive

No one is saying you can’t criticize Israel. But that’s very different than calling for its destruction or the killing of all Jews.
Why is it ok for a University to cancel a speaker because that person is against affirmative action but allow for speakers who advocate for genocide?

I agree with you. We should be allowing both types of speakers.

I agree that universities should allow both (all) types of speakers. But wasn't the question about policing students' speech? (Punishing students for saying something that is widely disagreed with.). Frankly, one of the main points of universities is to allow/encourage students to debate different perspectives--it's the learning process. If they inartfully make points that are condemnable, they are condemned by peers. This happens all the time-- students often wind up heading down a trail that ends in an extreme position because they are novices at this. When that happens, they are called out on it. And they realize that either they communicated their position badly or they had an indefensible position. And that's how they learn.

That's why all three presidents ended up saying things like 'it depends' when asked if certain speech violates their conduct codes. If statements are targeted at other people and said in hatred, that's actionable. If there's a debate about the right government policy, or about whether a seemingly oppressed people should rise up, or about what types of security measures are defensible, then it's exactly what should be debated at a university, with all sides heard.

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Anonymous wrote:I think Jewish people should be very careful about teaming up with the extreme right.
I worry that this will not end well

Candidly I’m not sure that the extreme left would be any better for Jewish people.

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I am a free-speech defender and a supporter of Israel. That said I believe she got exactly what she deserved. The hubris of spending $10000sss on WilmerHale to coach you on a statement where you suddenly! see! the! light! on free speech and academic freedom. If she had spoken honestly about the difficulties in balancing interests and the need to course-correct and admitted to her mistakes she might have had a chance. But she was a craven sell-out to undergrads claiming they are “in danger” due to words on the one hand; and rich donors threatening to pull funds on the other. She got exactly what she deserved because she failed to honestly navigate the challenge.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it chilling that you cannot criticize Jewish people or Israel in any way without severe consequences. Cancel culture in overdrive

+1

The irony is that Israel seems to be committing genocide against the Palestinians.

+1. Fired over a hypothetical. No one has called for genocide against Jewish people (one-sided interpretations of a chant don’t count). Meanwhile, the Palestinians are being eradicated (even from Southern Gaza where Israel told them to go).

That’s war.

Not genocide

War has been the pretext for the genocide that’s been occurring for 100+ years in the region, at the hands of Zionists before and since the creation of the State of Israel.

I mean, have a ball denying it. Nobody objective is buying it.

Honestly, if Zionist have somehow been “committing genocide for 100 years”, then they must be really bad at it. I think the general competency of Israel speaks against that argument. If Israel actually wanted to commit genocide, they would have done it by now. Personally, I think they would just rather like it if Hamas would stop firing rockets at Israeli civilian populations.

Everyone screaming genocide has no idea what the word actually means. In 1947 there were less than 2m Palestinians in the region. There’ are 5 million now. Talk about a genocide fail.

Are you paying attention? These dipshits in the IDF cannot even use bleeding edge technology gifted by the U.S. to successfully root out Hamas.

There’s been a minimum 2:1 ratio of innocent civilian-to-combatant deaths since 10/7, and that’s using the notoriously dishonest IDF as a source.

So, no, I don’t find the fact that the racist clowns who identify as Zionists haven’t completed their STATED mission of dispossessing every last indigenous person of their land in the region to be contra-evidence of that mission. They’re just really incompetent, which explains a lot.

But incompetence doesn’t absolve them of their sins.

Yeah, an “2:1 ratio of innocent civilian-to-combatant deaths since 10/7” is what happens when terrorists deliberately and cynically embed themselves in dense civilian centers.

You obviously expect Israelis to just quietly accept the occasional massacre with a side helping of rape and torture and kidnapping. I mean, they already get rocket fire on the regular, what’s the big deal?

Unless you are willing to accept that happening on American soil, without military response, you are a hypocrite.

Hamas started this conflict. They don’t get to dictate Israel’s response to an act of war. Neither do you.

Obviously, nobody is going to dictate anything to a murderous regime hell bent on killing as many Palestinians as possible, especially with the U.S. funding the effort and running interference on its behalf at every turn in the road. But since the U.S. is footing the bill and State is bypassing Congressional review to further provision the IDF, I have a right to speak my mind in opposition.

Israel started this conflict when they began violently dispossessing indigenous people of their land in the region 75 years ago, so based on your logic, you clearly don’t have any right to dictate how any Palestinian, including members of Hamas, chooses to seek redress for their grievances.

Zionists have consistently chosen terrorism to achieve their goals over the past 100+ years. The fact that you feel entitled to dictate how the victims of that terrorism are “allowed” to fight back, lest they be met with your disapproval, is representative of how despicable defenders of Zionism like you truly are.

What a bunch of lies and fabrications. You support terror and genocide. This is the rot that needs to go at universities.

The truth hurts. Every single stitch of what was said is factual, indisputable, and rooted in history. It’s not surprising that the actual supporter of terrorism and genocide (you) is resorting to your usual feeble DARVO instincts to deflect blame.

The not-so-mysterious mystery of why SO MANY global citizens despise people like you is eventually coming home to roost. Bank on it.

I’m not Jewish and I’m not the PP but I assume this is a thinly veiled justification of antisemitism and a call for the extermination of Jews. Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:Live by the sword, die by the sword. She and her fellow presidents have been disciplining and harassing students for years who didn’t sufficiently embrace their political monoculture. When you create an environment where all thought is tightly policed, eventually the thought police will come for you too.

+10000. It’s starting to seem surreal to me the amount of resources spent controlling speech on *elite college campuses*!!