Serious Answers Only—How to Fix MCPS?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to fix social issues using education. Focus on teaching and accept the fact that different kids perform differently. Build more accountability at all levels of MCPS. Stop closing the gap by bringing down high performing kids.


Education exists largely to provide what society needs, so I don’t even know what this means. Of course education should be mindful of social issues — it’s how we get a better society.

To “fix” MCPS and other schools, parents should step back and realize they are neither the experts nor are they in charge. I realize the internet has eroded trust in institutions and made everyone think they know better than actual experts about so many things. But there already exist channels for parents to have input on school policy, including curriculum. Layering on these attempts to micromanage individual classroom instruction, trying to protect children from discomfort in learning, when cognitive dissonance is often needed to achieve greater understanding, and seeking to do things like restrict or ban books and media in schools is harmful to your children and society as a whole.

Or, shorter version: Parents should listen more and talk less, know their place, and stay in their lane. People who know better than them about what children need to learn are in charge — let them do their jobs.


I don’t actually disagree with the substance of the specifics of this, but I hope you understand how counterproductive the tone and rhetoric of this post would be if it were to be communicated to concerned parents.


DP. That depends on which "concerned parents" and what the parents are concerned about, no?

I also agree with the substance of the post. I am the expert in my child (along with my child), and I have parental authority over my child. I am not the expert on teaching or learning, and I don't have parental authority over children who are not my child. Parents who want to micromanage their children's education need to home-school.


The “I am an expert on my child” but is valid but there’s a fine line between advocating particular needs and helicoptering and demanding acquiescence to your perceived needs, often at the expense of other children.

I argue they shouldn’t home school. They really should sit down, shut up and let their child learn from professionals.

One of the most bizarre complaints in recent years is the one where parents complain their white children feel guilty or ashamed of their skin color after lessons about slavery, equity, etc. Most of this reaction comes from a good, if ignorant place and an impulse to protect their children from discomfort. And many of these parents are just sick of this race talk already and think we live in a color blind society; their well-meaning parents likely taught them not to see color.

But here’s where letting the professionals handle this is better:

1) Sometimes learning *is* uncomfortable. Dealing with cognitive dissonance is necessary in order to become better educated, more empathetic, more enlightened and a better member of society in general; this will in turn actually move us closer to a genuine color-blind utopia. The problem is the parents never got this education themselves and so feel theatened and personally attacked. They consider themselves good people — and they probably are — but they are closed minded to considering other perspectives.

2) Your white child’s temporary discomfort in learning this material is fleeting. And it pales (no pun intended) in comparison to the discomfort people of other colors feel more regularly navigating our society. Trying to protect them from the discomfort instead helping to transcend it only reinforces bigotry.



Your well-intentioned explanation for why we need Maoist-style indoctrination tactics to shame children about their ancestral bloodlines doesn't become less horrifying because you come at it from a place of kindness. Let me guess: you have a Peruvian grandmother? R your husband is bipoc? I'm sure there's a person in your head that you think you are speaking for, defending, being an ally to "protect."

But they are not fragile products of a tragic history, your person(s). They exist in the same world as the rest of us.

You can't shame children into feeling empathy. You need to feel some yourself, I think. Really put yourself in someone's shoes when you think about what their response will be to being told that centuries of systemic racism are something for which they must atone.

I also recommend taking a few history classes yourself, perhaps enough to learn that the blanket term "bipoc" encompasses both people whose ancestors came here in chains and people whose ancestors came here on investor visas from cultures with strictly defined caste systems. Neither are inherently good or bad, but how the weight of history falls upon them is not the same.
Anonymous
MCPS has a history of only hiring administrators in their pipeline. It would bring in new perspectives if MCPS would bring in new leadership from outside of MCPS. Perhaps it would help people be promoted on their merit vs. people who are promoted because of who they know in Central Office.
Anonymous
There is a big problem at Seneca highschool. Many of the kids skip class- missing more than 200 classes -and they do not do the class work and they get passed along until they graduate. Then these sames kids have problems keeping a job as cashiers because they can not count back change. For the schools, it a numbers game. The more kids enrolled the more money they get. Funding should be tied to performance and enrollment. I think schools should not be penalized for withdrawing kids not going to class at least 50 percent of the time.It should be mandary failure at some point.. It is a waste of teachers time and resource. Kids in other countries are out performing ours because we are not holding them accountable and passing them along for the money. This needs to be fixed.
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Anonymous wrote:There is a big problem at Seneca highschool. Many of the kids skip class- missing more than 200 classes -and they do not do the class work and they get passed along until they graduate. Then these sames kids have problems keeping a job as cashiers because they can not count back change. For the schools, it a numbers game. The more kids enrolled the more money they get. Funding should be tied to performance and enrollment. I think schools should not be penalized for withdrawing kids not going to class at least 50 percent of the time.It should be mandary failure at some point.. It is a waste of teachers time and resource. Kids in other countries are out performing ours because we are not holding them accountable and passing them along for the money. This needs to be fixed.

So, to take your argument to it's absurd conclusion, a school dedicated to the most difficult special ed kids shouldn't be funded?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:My kids have been in MCPS for 15 years and I’m just disgusted by the decline. Wondering if anyone has ideas to fix the many problems in MCPS?


It's only broken in the imagination of especially high-maintenance privileged parents who are the real problem.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:There is a big problem at Seneca highschool. Many of the kids skip class- missing more than 200 classes -and they do not do the class work and they get passed along until they graduate. Then these sames kids have problems keeping a job as cashiers because they can not count back change. For the schools, it a numbers game. The more kids enrolled the more money they get. Funding should be tied to performance and enrollment. I think schools should not be penalized for withdrawing kids not going to class at least 50 percent of the time.It should be mandary failure at some point.. It is a waste of teachers time and resource. Kids in other countries are out performing ours because we are not holding them accountable and passing them along for the money. This needs to be fixed.


Nice story bro!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kids have been in MCPS for 15 years and I’m just disgusted by the decline. Wondering if anyone has ideas to fix the many problems in MCPS?


It's only broken in the imagination of especially high-maintenance privileged parents who are the real problem.


Pull your head out of the sand. The MSDE report cards don't lie: https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/education/maryland-department-of-education-report-card-school-rankings-montgomery-county/65-37181734-eb76-424e-96f8-faf4ff121088
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kids have been in MCPS for 15 years and I’m just disgusted by the decline. Wondering if anyone has ideas to fix the many problems in MCPS?


It's only broken in the imagination of especially high-maintenance privileged parents who are the real problem.


+1000 Many of these posters would be unhappy in paradise.
Anonymous
A zombie thread from a year ago is back!
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kids have been in MCPS for 15 years and I’m just disgusted by the decline. Wondering if anyone has ideas to fix the many problems in MCPS?


It's only broken in the imagination of especially high-maintenance privileged parents who are the real problem.


+1000 Many of these posters would be unhappy in paradise.


They hate it when anyone who has a different experience speaks up—for example, our family values education. We parent and have high expectations of our children. Our kids are flourishing in MCPS.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kids have been in MCPS for 15 years and I’m just disgusted by the decline. Wondering if anyone has ideas to fix the many problems in MCPS?


It's only broken in the imagination of especially high-maintenance privileged parents who are the real problem.


+1000 Many of these posters would be unhappy in paradise.


They hate it when anyone who has a different experience speaks up—for example, our family values education. We parent and have high expectations of our children. Our kids are flourishing in MCPS.


In which HS pyramid? The experience may be different for a similar family in a different part of the county, and that is among the problems that should be addressed.

MD operates schools on a county basis, not a town basis, as with some other states. The experience/opportunities throughout the county, while not exactly the same, should be reasonably similar.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:MCPS has a history of only hiring administrators in their pipeline. It would bring in new perspectives if MCPS would bring in new leadership from outside of MCPS. Perhaps it would help people be promoted on their merit vs. people who are promoted because of who they know in Central Office.


+1000
By doing this, the CO echo chamber would be dismantled.
Anonymous
It needs to be broken up. The needs of poor immigrant students who don't speak English are vastly different than the needs of students in Potomac.
Nothing meaningful will happen until that is done
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kids have been in MCPS for 15 years and I’m just disgusted by the decline. Wondering if anyone has ideas to fix the many problems in MCPS?


It's only broken in the imagination of especially high-maintenance privileged parents who are the real problem.


+1000 Many of these posters would be unhappy in paradise.


They hate it when anyone who has a different experience speaks up—for example, our family values education. We parent and have high expectations of our children. Our kids are flourishing in MCPS.


In which HS pyramid? The experience may be different for a similar family in a different part of the county, and that is among the problems that should be addressed.

MD operates schools on a county basis, not a town basis, as with some other states. The experience/opportunities throughout the county, while not exactly the same, should be reasonably similar.


One child is at Blair SMCS program the other is at Wheaton Engineering.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:It needs to be broken up. The needs of poor immigrant students who don't speak English are vastly different than the needs of students in Potomac.
Nothing meaningful will happen until that is done


I know! Put all the poors in their own school system and segregate them from the haves!
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