Are the Northeast colleges not as popular in the DMV?

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Anonymous wrote:I know people in DC’s class applied to most the schools mentioned and ended up at several of them. I can’t think of anyone who applied to southern schools. Maryland public.

I also don’t have the impression that applying to southern schools is preferred over NE schools.

Moms and teens who I talk to are worried about attending schools in states with strong anti abortion laws and nutty monitoring of women’s private medical matters. It also impacts quality of reproductive care for all women in those states as so many ob/ gyn doctors and clinics have closed services in those states for fear of getting sued if they provide relevant medical care.

The bizarre war on Wokeism is also off putting. Not that my kid is trans or wants to study black history that includes experiences around slavery but she would prefer that her peers who are gender fluid or want to understand how black history impacts modern day patterns are not harassed/ restricted.

Between lack of preparation for climate change induced extreme weather and lack of reproductive health services in southern states, it is not a big draw for our teen. And she likes warm weather.

Your bubble seems small and full of hate and ignorance about what diversity truly means.

Nice try but our “bubble” is extensive spreading across three continents and our students will apply to diverse schools in much of the NE and West coast as well as abroad.

She doesn’t want to attend schools where women do not have full human rights and access to reproductive health care - or experience loss of life/ property due to climate change induced extreme weather.

There is no hate involved - just a rational response to current affairs.

3 continents?

You have no idea what you're talking about. There is no ONE continent, much less 3, where abortion is legal at will regardless of age/ viability the way you want.

You are Joking right? There are universities and colleges all over the world that happily accept international students. Our children
and friends’ children are seriously considering applying to colleges/ unis on three different continents where they have either citizenship or permanent resident rights. Many teens in DMV have multiple passports and will consider different options. I just don’t know anyone seriously considering southern Schools. It is not due to cultural snobbery but related to genuine concerns around the rights and health of female students plus lack of basic gun safety.

You are a politician, right? Way to avoid the question...

Most of those nice countries don't allow for abortions after 15 weeks. And you see police in every corner, and very few black people around. And they call obese people...obese.

Oops.

So sorry to see your little bubble burst.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know people in DC’s class applied to most the schools mentioned and ended up at several of them. I can’t think of anyone who applied to southern schools. Maryland public.

I also don’t have the impression that applying to southern schools is preferred over NE schools.

Moms and teens who I talk to are worried about attending schools in states with strong anti abortion laws and nutty monitoring of women’s private medical matters. It also impacts quality of reproductive care for all women in those states as so many ob/ gyn doctors and clinics have closed services in those states for fear of getting sued if they provide relevant medical care.

The bizarre war on Wokeism is also off putting. Not that my kid is trans or wants to study black history that includes experiences around slavery but she would prefer that her peers who are gender fluid or want to understand how black history impacts modern day patterns are not harassed/ restricted.

Between lack of preparation for climate change induced extreme weather and lack of reproductive health services in southern states, it is not a big draw for our teen. And she likes warm weather.

Your bubble seems small and full of hate and ignorance about what diversity truly means.

Nice try but our “bubble” is extensive spreading across three continents and our students will apply to diverse schools in much of the NE and West coast as well as abroad.

She doesn’t want to attend schools where women do not have full human rights and access to reproductive health care - or experience loss of life/ property due to climate change induced extreme weather.

There is no hate involved - just a rational response to current affairs.

3 continents?

You have no idea what you're talking about. There is no ONE continent, much less 3, where abortion is legal at will regardless of age/ viability the way you want.

You are Joking right? There are universities and colleges all over the world that happily accept international students. Our children
and friends’ children are seriously considering applying to colleges/ unis on three different continents where they have either citizenship or permanent resident rights. Many teens in DMV have multiple passports and will consider different options. I just don’t know anyone seriously considering southern Schools. It is not due to cultural snobbery but related to genuine concerns around the rights and health of female students plus lack of basic gun safety.

You are a politician, right? Way to avoid the question...

Most of those nice countries don't allow for abortions after 15 weeks. And you see police in every corner, and very few black people around. And they call obese people...obese.

Oops.

So sorry to see your little bubble burst.

Au contraire - there are many safe options for young women to study around the world. Not that reproductive health and abortion access should be prime consideration but it is one consideration.


In EU - abortion is legal upon request or on broad social grounds (except in Poland and Malta). EU countries have been steadily liberalizing abortion laws and access for 60 years.
https://reproductiverights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/European-abortion-law-a-comparative-review.pdf


To say U.S. abortion rollbacks are in line with Europe is simply wrong

Republican lawmakers have astonished Europeans again with claims that 47 of 50 European countries ban abortion after 15 weeks. No other European country “bans” abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy. Instead, almost all European countries allow abortion throughout pregnancy on a range of grounds, including where there are risks to a patient’s physical or mental health, and in situations involving severe or fatal fetal impairment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/09/22/europe-abortion-laws-vs-usa/

EU laws on abortion
Sweden
The current legislation is the Abortion Act of 1974 (SFS 1974:595). This states that up until the end of the eighteenth week of the pregnancy, the choice of an abortion is entirely up to the woman, for any reason whatsoever.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Abortion in Sweden - Wikipedia

Netherlands
Available procedures. In the Netherlands, abortion performed by a certified clinic or hospital is effectually allowed at any point between conception and viability, subject to a five-day waiting period. The waiting period does not apply if your menstrual period is less than 17 days overdue (very early stage pregnancy).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Abortion in the Netherlands - Wikipedia

Even after Brexit, Great Britain has liberal abortion laws
Under the Abortion Act 1967, which currently applies to Scotland, England, and Wales, an abortion can legally be accessed up to 24 weeks of pregnancy.Feb 22, 2023
Scottish ParliamentPDF
PE1969: Amend the law to fully decriminalise abortion in Scotland

Iceland
Abortion in Iceland is legal on request until the end of the 22nd week of pregnancy. The abortion rate in Iceland is relatively high, in comparison to other Nordic countries.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Abortion in Iceland - Wikipedia


Other non EU Western countries

Australia
In Australia, There are no federal abortion laws, and access to abortion varies between the states and territories: surgical abortions are readily available on request within the first 20 to 24 weeks of pregnancy in most jurisdictions, and up to 16 weeks in Tasmania.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Abortion in Australia - Wikipedia

Singapore
Who can have an abortion in Singapore? There is no legal requirement for parental consent for minors (under 16). Abortion is prohibited after 24 weeks (6 months) of pregnancy unless the mother's life is in danger.
https://www.aware.org.sg › abortion
Abortion - AWARE Singapore

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno, but all of cousins in the Mid-Atlantic want to go to Southern schools. It's strange. There's just this aura southern schools have now. They all have excellent grades and give zero craps about applying to ivies in the north east.

It is all about the weather, big football schools, and student life. I think most kids these days realize you can get pretty much the same undergrad education anywhere, whether it is at Auburn or Harvard. Calculus doesn't really change between the schools. Basic physics doesn't change. What is different are the student life activities and student body.

You can save the prestige for grad school or professional school degrees when the name actually matters more.

Auburn may be a great school for the extroverted, sports-crazed socialite, but let’s not kid ourselves that the average kid at Auburn is as bright as the same at Harvard. Let’s also agree that average class size, rigor of class presentation, discussion, and assignments is very, very different. Every kid who graduates from Harvard can write well and think critically. At Auburn, most graduates couldn’t produce a publishable research paper if they tried. Harvard kids go on to greatness. Auburn kids become salespeople and teachers - all needed by society, but not Harvard material.

Oh please.

The brightest people I’ve ever met in my field went to schools like a Gettysburg and Penn State. We had plenty of MIT and Harvard undergrads in my grad school program. Sure, they weren’t dumb, but they didn’t produce the best research either, nor wrote the best papers. Actually, a lotta kids from schools like Rice, Rutgers, and Georgia were better.

Undergrad education does not matter. Get that degree for as cheap as possible. All the courses teach the same crap at the undergrad level. Name brand only really matters at the graduate level.

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Anonymous wrote:Plenty of public school kids go to these schools too, there are just more public school kids, so they spread their wonderful selves all over.

This. My kids applied to or are applying to predominantly NE schools. Lots of kids going there, but lots spread all over too.

Same. We are a family that HATES high heat/humidity. DC is as south as any of us will go.

I think the South is moving backwards with social issues, Christianity, which we aren’t, is still very important to them. Too many cultural differences still.

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno, but all of cousins in the Mid-Atlantic want to go to Southern schools. It's strange. There's just this aura southern schools have now. They all have excellent grades and give zero craps about applying to ivies in the north east.

It is all about the weather, big football schools, and student life. I think most kids these days realize you can get pretty much the same undergrad education anywhere, whether it is at Auburn or Harvard. Calculus doesn't really change between the schools. Basic physics doesn't change. What is different are the student life activities and student body.

You can save the prestige for grad school or professional school degrees when the name actually matters more.

Auburn may be a great school for the extroverted, sports-crazed socialite, but let’s not kid ourselves that the average kid at Auburn is as bright as the same at Harvard. Let’s also agree that average class size, rigor of class presentation, discussion, and assignments is very, very different. Every kid who graduates from Harvard can write well and think critically. At Auburn, most graduates couldn’t produce a publishable research paper if they tried. Harvard kids go on to greatness. Auburn kids become salespeople and teachers - all needed by society, but not Harvard material.

Oh please.

The brightest people I’ve ever met in my field went to schools like a Gettysburg and Penn State. We had plenty of MIT and Harvard undergrads in my grad school program. Sure, they weren’t dumb, but they didn’t produce the best research either, nor wrote the best papers. Actually, a lotta kids from schools like Rice, Rutgers, and Georgia were better.

Undergrad education does not matter. Get that degree for as cheap as possible. All the courses teach the same crap at the undergrad level. Name brand only really matters at the graduate level.

I disagree that undergrad is all the same everywhere. And the person didn't say there weren't very bright people at any school, rather that the average at Auburn is not as bright as the average at Harvard. Hard to dispute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree it’s the price but also LACs just don’t seem that popular in general. Lots of pre-professional types prioritizing big publics.

Concur here after being through a few recent rounds of admissions. Our DCs wanted LACs, so this wasn't an issue, but most of their friends from private schools wanted medium-sized schools, preferably urban, so a lot of the Ivies, Duke, Northwestern, etc. Also Emory, Tulane, Tufts, Vanderbilt, and Wash U. They didn't want to go to isolated LACs because they wanted prestige as well as clubs, parties. The ones that didn't get into those schools then pivoted to Michigan, Wisconsin. A few opted for Indiana Kelley out of the gates, especially the weaker but full pay students.

I'm being blunt and candid as it is what it is.

LACs still appeal to certain students, but perhaps not as widespread as it used to be - though it doesn't make admissions any less competitive for the top NESCACs, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree it’s the price but also LACs just don’t seem that popular in general. Lots of pre-professional types prioritizing big publics.

Concur here after being through a few recent rounds of admissions. Our DCs wanted LACs, so this wasn't an issue, but most of their friends from private schools wanted medium-sized schools, preferably urban, so a lot of the Ivies, Duke, Northwestern, etc. Also Emory, Tulane, Tufts, Vanderbilt, and Wash U. They didn't want to go to isolated LACs because they wanted prestige as well as clubs, parties. The ones that didn't get into those schools then pivoted to Michigan, Wisconsin. A few opted for Indiana Kelley out of the gates, especially the weaker but full pay students.

I'm being blunt and candid as it is what it is.

LACs still appeal to certain students, but perhaps not as widespread as it used to be - though it doesn't make admissions any less competitive for the top NESCACs, etc.

I dunno--it seems like applications are up across the board. LACs always were small and represented a much more niche portion of applications. I don't think much has changed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I dunno, but all of cousins in the Mid-Atlantic want to go to Southern schools. It's strange. There's just this aura southern schools have now. They all have excellent grades and give zero craps about applying to ivies in the north east.

It is all about the weather, big football schools, and student life. I think most kids these days realize you can get pretty much the same undergrad education anywhere, whether it is at Auburn or Harvard. Calculus doesn't really change between the schools. Basic physics doesn't change. What is different are the student life activities and student body.

You can save the prestige for grad school or professional school degrees when the name actually matters more.

Auburn may be a great school for the extroverted, sports-crazed socialite, but let’s not kid ourselves that the average kid at Auburn is as bright as the same at Harvard. Let’s also agree that average class size, rigor of class presentation, discussion, and assignments is very, very different. Every kid who graduates from Harvard can write well and think critically. At Auburn, most graduates couldn’t produce a publishable research paper if they tried. Harvard kids go on to greatness. Auburn kids become salespeople and teachers - all needed by society, but not Harvard material.

DP. Here we have a prime example of extreme delusion. Wow. You really need to get out more.

[Anonymous]

It's fashionable to go for big, southern Universities in the DMV. Who knows why? Don't worry about it. Your child should choose the best school where they can spend four years that you can afford. Ignore everyone else.

[jsteele]

Great job folks. A thread about Northeastern colleges ends up being about Europe and the South. Outstanding work.